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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I can’t argue with this.
    For a message board there is very little argument or disagreement today in this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    For a message board there is very little argument or disagreement today in this thread.
    I canít argue with that either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    Jarom Jordan, in all his awkward, annoying glory, mentioned Darrell Bevell's name as a "top contender." Sigh.
    Darrell's in my brother's ward. I was there visiting and I had to pretend I didn't know who he was in EQ so I didn't look like a dick. Looking back, it probably just made me look like even more of a dick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I canít argue with that either.
    When your offense is 123rd, firing the OC is a very easy move to defend. Even if it breaks your heart to do it.

    I love the guy, and I hope he stays on as QB coach (and I still think he'd be a good OC someday).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    Darrell's in my brother's ward. I was there visiting and I had to pretend I didn't know who he was in EQ so I didn't look like a dick. Looking back, it probably just made me look like even more of a dick.
    Do byu coordinators need to be high priests, or just the head coach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Do byu coordinators need to be high priests, or just the head coach?
    Probably just a current TR
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    I was out in front of this. Love Ty the player. But Ty the coordinator was downright awful.
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    Is there a single coach out there (that fits the BYU mold both in character and pay) that moves the needle?

    Arod? Simmons? Grimes? Peterson?

    Who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveCoug View Post
    Is there a single coach out there (that fits the BYU mold both in character and pay) that moves the needle?

    Arod? Simmons? Grimes? Peterson?

    Who knows.
    I know very little about Peterson, but just by looking at his body of work, he seems like a good fit.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dabrockster View Post
    After one bad year. Damn. Never figured BYU would make this move after year two altogether.


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    Let's be honest, last year the offense sucked too. We just happened to have an NFL QB and RB that made Ty look better than he was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfah View Post
    Let's be honest, last year the offense sucked too. We just happened to have an NFL QB and RB that made Ty look better than he was.
    Yeah, measuring overall offensive quality is tricky (at least if you want to do it carefully and controlling for strength of schedule, etc) but the 2016 offense benchmarks out to roughly the same offensive quality as the Riley N/Doman offense of 2012. Unconditionally, that's a below average offense in the Bronco years, but conditional on NFL quality at those position it's really quite bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfah View Post
    Let's be honest, last year the offense sucked too. We just happened to have an NFL QB and RB that made Ty look better than he was.
    I hope you're right, and it's that simple to fix/get things headed in the right direction. My fear is that you're wrong, and history will show the problems go much deeper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfah View Post
    I was out in front of this. Love Ty the player. But Ty the coordinator was downright awful.
    Swish?!

    Nice one, Nostradamus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    I hope you're right, and it's that simple to fix/get things headed in the right direction. My fear is that you're wrong, and history will show the problems go much deeper.
    Thatís funny. Of course there are other problems. This season was a train wreck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Thatís funny. Of course there are other problems. This season was a train wreck.
    I think you missed my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    I think you missed my point.
    Here is what you said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    I hope you're right, and it's that simple to fix/get things headed in the right direction. My fear is that you're wrong, and history will show the problems go much deeper.
    Has anyone claimed that this is a "simple fix" that would solve all the problems? Maybe I missed it.
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    This is a problem that canít be fixed absent a miracle. LaVell was a miracle. Hell Bronco was a mini miracle.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Here is what you said:



    Has anyone claimed that this is a "simple fix" that would solve all the problems? Maybe I missed it.
    Simple: easily understood. It seems plain to everyone that Ty was one of the biggest issues with our offensive woes this year. I hope so, and that replacing him is a simple or plain way to get things going in the right direction. I fear that history will show otherwise, and that this change made no difference. He's a pretty smart guy. I'm not buying the narrative that's being sold. While I love Sitake, I think Ty is the sacrificial lamb to give him more time to figure things out.

    I think Mangum was a huge factor in the train wreck, coupled with the lack of productivity of our seniors on offense.

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    It’s about to get publicly ugly. Kalani might have done Detmer a favor. I have a feeling the Butch stuff is just the tip of the iceberg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    Simple: easily understood. It seems plain to everyone that Ty was one of the biggest issues with our offensive woes this year. I hope so, and that replacing him is a simple or plain way to get things going in the right direction. I fear that history will show otherwise, and that this change made no difference. He's a pretty smart guy. I'm not buying the narrative that's being sold. While I love Sitake, I think Ty is the sacrificial lamb to give him more time to figure things out.

    I think Mangum was a huge factor in the train wreck, coupled with the lack of productivity of our seniors on offense.

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    I think all of that is true AND I think Ty underperformed. Itís hard to survive your job as an OC being in the bottom 10 in offense no matter what else is going on.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CJF View Post
    It’s about to get publicly ugly. Kalani might have done Detmer a favor. I have a feeling the Butch stuff is just the tip of the iceberg.
    Are you talking about his mom’s rant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfah View Post
    I was out in front of this. Love Ty the player. But Ty the coordinator was downright awful.
    No, give it another year or two or three to fully install his offense and BYU would have been unstoppable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJF View Post
    It’s about to get publicly ugly. Kalani might have done Detmer a favor. I have a feeling the Butch stuff is just the tip of the iceberg.
    The Butch stuff is pretty brutal. I think the potential exists to really get crazy. I know a lot of BYU fans think BYU needs a big name but they are going to be really disappointed. If I'm a coach I'm thinking Kalani is a lame duck. My guess is it will be Roderick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CJF View Post
    Itís about to get publicly ugly. Kalani might have done Detmer a favor. I have a feeling the Butch stuff is just the tip of the iceberg.
    Okay but what is wrong with the Butch stuff? He is short and was a liability in coverage last year. Weíre getting upset because we canít take honest feedback? I love Butch but he wasnít nearly as good this year as he was last, in large part because teams took advantage of him in coverage. Donít get me wrong because I love Butch. And he wasnít ďto blameĒ for all our losses. But that was a weakness in defense. Sure, there were other factors too, but that was one of them IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sizzle View Post
    Okay but what is wrong with the Butch stuff? He is short and was a liability in coverage last year. We’re getting upset because we can’t take honest feedback? I love Butch but he wasn’t nearly as good this year as he was last, in large part because teams took advantage of him in coverage. Don’t get me wrong because I love Butch. And he wasn’t “to blame” for all our losses. But that was a weakness in defense. Sure, there were other factors too, but that was one of them IMO.
    Not knowing what was said (some say he was told he'd no longer a LB; others that he was just going to be buried on the depth chart; others that he should look to transfer), this could have been a motivational tool. He was bad this year. He was slow. Some say it's due to injury, others because he didn't spend enough time in the weight room, and even some who claim he spent too much time in the weight room. Whatever the reason, I'd love 2016 Butch back, but I would hope 2017 Butch loses PT in 2018.
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    @n8trix on twitter (Nate Kennedy) claiming that Tanner and Beau are gonezo. Dude seems a little unhinged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    @n8trix on twitter (Nate Kennedy) claiming that Tanner and Beau are gonezo. Dude seems a little unhinged.
    That dude is an effing idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flystripper View Post
    I think all of that is true AND I think Ty underperformed. It’s hard to survive your job as an OC being in the bottom 10 in offense no matter what else is going on.


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    As likable and loved as Ty is, you nailed it. Nobody survives a bottom 10 offense. Similarly, very few HC's survive a bottom 10 offense and a really crappy defense. Our problem is obviously our coaches candidate pool. I know I'm in the minority, (which is ironic for a white guy descended from 9 Mayflower passengers...kind of the poster child for white privilege), but I think it was a bad move to leave the MWC. We just don't have the setup to be national contenders with the HC placing an almost insurmountable barrier to recruiting players and coaches. I also respect others' opinions that I'm full of crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    As likable and loved as Ty is, you nailed it. Nobody survives a bottom 10 offense. Similarly, very few HC's survive a bottom 10 offense and a really crappy defense. Our problem is obviously our coaches candidate pool. I know I'm in the minority, (which is ironic for a white guy descended from 9 Mayflower passengers...kind of the poster child for white privilege), but I think it was a bad move to leave the MWC. We just don't have the setup to be national contenders with the HC placing an almost insurmountable barrier to recruiting players and coaches. I also respect others' opinions that I'm full of crap.
    At this point I don't care if BYU goes back to a conference (I would prefer AAC over MWC), but help me understand how that would improve our coach candidate pool.
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