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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Really? I've never heard that. What specifically did he do wrong? Give me the vol. 1 dust jacket summary.
    Once upon a time there was a really big donor by the name of King Hussein. King wanted the Cougars to have a nice castle to live in and practice football. Bateman learned of King's desire to give him a big pot o' gold so the castle could be built. Bateman heralded throughout the land that a castle would be built. He even spoke to the tribal elders who blessed the plan for a new castle, and building began. One problem, King saw that the once mighty Cougars had turned into tiny kittens. King was angry and took his pot o' gold and was never heard from again. Bateman was sad. He knew the tribal elders did not wish to use their pot o' gold to build the castle, but the castle was already half-built. The tribal elders became angry and shit hit the fan!...Val Hale was beheaded...Bateman was banished to lord over a lesser part of the kingdom...and the Cougars came under the power of a hated one from the north country.

    And they all lived happily ever after. The end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by originalsocal View Post
    Once upon a time there was a really big donor by the name of King Hussein. King wanted the Cougars to have a nice castle to live in and practice football. Bateman learned of King's desire to give him a big pot o' gold so the castle could be built. Bateman heralded throughout the land that a castle would be built. He even spoke to the tribal elders who blessed the plan for a new castle, and building began. One problem, King saw that the once mighty Cougars had turned into tiny kittens. King was angry and took his pot o' gold and was never heard from again. Bateman was sad. He knew the tribal elders did not wish to use their pot o' gold to build the castle, but the castle was already half-built. The tribal elders became angry and shit hit the fan!...Val Hale was beheaded...Bateman was banished to lord over a lesser part of the kingdom...and the Cougars came under the power of a hated one from the north country.

    And they all lived happily ever after. The end.
    LOL... that is a pretty good bedtime story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by originalsocal View Post
    Once upon a time there was a really big donor by the name of King Hussein. King wanted the Cougars to have a nice castle to live in and practice football. Bateman learned of King's desire to give him a big pot o' gold so the castle could be built. Bateman heralded throughout the land that a castle would be built. He even spoke to the tribal elders who blessed the plan for a new castle, and building began. One problem, King saw that the once mighty Cougars had turned into tiny kittens. King was angry and took his pot o' gold and was never heard from again. Bateman was sad. He knew the tribal elders did not wish to use their pot o' gold to build the castle, but the castle was already half-built. The tribal elders became angry and shit hit the fan!...Val Hale was beheaded...Bateman was banished to lord over a lesser part of the kingdom...and the Cougars came under the power of a hated one from the north country.

    And they all lived happily ever after. The end.
    Damnit! I forgot to mention that the once mighty Cougars were turned tiny kittens by a magic wizard named Crowton.

    I'm a terrible writer.

    Originalsocal is sad.

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    Bateman failed at everything for the Cougs.

    He axed the wrestling and men's gymnastics teams which were both top five programs.

    He failed to get the expansions necessary and promised the other Olympic sports a lot of things but never delivered.

    He was a mini-Ernie Wilkerson and treated many a professor like shit, handing down edicts like a demonic king, acting against academic freedom and ruling like an autocratic tyrant. Other than that he was wonderful. Also he started or re-started the reign of GAs as President.

    Bateman is a curse word among those who know him.
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    Horseshit.. I read further and he talks about teams who do not have a conference championship. They should be looked at their entire body of work. Clearly SEC does have a Championship game which indicates he feels stronger that a conference champion should weigh more.

    That my opinion and sticking to it. Oh, and Saban can ESAD..




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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Bateman failed at everything for the Cougs.

    He axed the wrestling and men's gymnastics teams which were both top five programs.

    He failed to get the expansions necessary and promised the other Olympic sports a lot of things but never delivered.

    He was a mini-Ernie Wilkerson and treated many a professor like shit, handing down edicts like a demonic king, acting against academic freedom and ruling like an autocratic tyrant. Other than that he was wonderful. Also he started or re-started the reign of GAs as President.

    Bateman is a curse word among those who know him.
    Sheesh. Seems a biiiiiit over dramatic.

    Also, not sure you can blame Batemen, a G.A., for starting or restarting the "reign of G.A.s as president." I doubt he placed himself in that role.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Sheesh. Seems a biiiiiit over dramatic.

    Also, not sure you can blame Batemen, a G.A., for starting or restarting the "reign of G.A.s as president." I doubt he placed himself in that role.
    He damaged BYU and its athletics to an extreme extent. He was the beginning of the end, if the ship is not righted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    He damaged BYU and its athletics to an extreme extent. He was the beginning of the end, if the ship is not righted.
    Don't forget that he was a demonic autocratic tyrant king!
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Don't forget that he was a demonic autocratic tyrant king!
    Okay, he was an administrative bully? You never like colorful descriptions after writing dry legal briefs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Okay, he was an administrative bully? You never like colorful descriptions after writing dry legal briefs?
    I'm a fan of accurate language, because I write dry legal briefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    I'm a fan of accurate language, because I write dry legal briefs.
    He was not respected by administrative staff due to his style and lack of respects for the opinions of those beneath him. He made promises to the athletic community which he did not keep, he failed to respect academic freedom and people believed he spied on certain professors, creating a narking system.

    Do you prefer that? I suppose you watch C-SPAN for your entertainment as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    He was not respected by administrative staff due to his style and lack of respects for the opinions of those beneath him. He made promises to the athletic community which he did not keep, he failed to respect academic freedom and people believed he spied on certain professors, creating a narking system.

    Do you prefer that? I suppose you watch C-SPAN for your entertainment as well.
    Well it certainly provides something close to details, which was what I was asking for earlier in this thread. Much better than penning a bad fantasy novel and including Bateman as the demonic king.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Sheesh. Seems a biiiiiit over dramatic.

    Also, not sure you can blame Batemen, a G.A., for starting or restarting the "reign of G.A.s as president." I doubt he placed himself in that role.
    If GA stands for Gigantuan Asshole then I agree.

    He is not a General Authority to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dabrockster View Post
    If GA stands for Gigantuan Asshole then I agree.

    He is not a General Authority to me.
    That's probably right. He's now an emeritus General Authority.
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    Not sure I believe all these stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dabrockster View Post
    If GA stands for Gigantuan Asshole then I agree.

    He is not a General Authority to me.
    Oh boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Oh boy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Well it certainly provides something close to details, which was what I was asking for earlier in this thread. Much better than penning a bad fantasy novel and including Bateman as the demonic king.
    Hey! That hurt!

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    Quote Originally Posted by originalsocal View Post
    Hey! That hurt!
    sorry originalsadcoug
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    Quote Originally Posted by originalsocal View Post
    Once upon a time there was a really big donor by the name of King Hussein. King wanted the Cougars to have a nice castle to live in and practice football. Bateman learned of King's desire to give him a big pot o' gold so the castle could be built. Bateman heralded throughout the land that a castle would be built. He even spoke to the tribal elders who blessed the plan for a new castle, and building began. One problem, King saw that the once mighty Cougars had turned into tiny kittens. King was angry and took his pot o' gold and was never heard from again. Bateman was sad. He knew the tribal elders did not wish to use their pot o' gold to build the castle, but the castle was already half-built. The tribal elders became angry and shit hit the fan!...Val Hale was beheaded...Bateman was banished to lord over a lesser part of the kingdom...and the Cougars came under the power of a hated one from the north country.

    And they all lived happily ever after. The end.
    That was pretty awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Well it certainly provides something close to details, which was what I was asking for earlier in this thread. Much better than penning a bad fantasy novel and including Bateman as the demonic king.
    Boo, I liked the fantasy novel.

    Much better than real life where Master Bateman was the worst byu president that I can remember.

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    I'm not buying all the bad stuff about Bateman but he was definitely a mediocre pres and bad for BYU athletics. He also introduced tan into the BYU color scheme which is an abomination that took a decade to completely expunge. Also, they say never follow a legend and Rex Lee was the rill dill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPiney View Post
    Boo, I liked the fantasy novel.

    Much better than real life where Master Bateman was the worst byu president that I can remember.
    Actually, I was referring to Topper's fantasy one-liners. I don't think you'll deny me a little Topper abuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    sorry originalsadcoug
    No problem...an artist is strengthened by criticism. Besides I know you were referencing Topper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Bateman failed at everything for the Cougs.

    He axed the wrestling and men's gymnastics teams which were both top five programs.

    He failed to get the expansions necessary and promised the other Olympic sports a lot of things but never delivered.

    He was a mini-Ernie Wilkerson and treated many a professor like shit, handing down edicts like a demonic king, acting against academic freedom and ruling like an autocratic tyrant. Other than that he was wonderful. Also he started or re-started the reign of GAs as President.

    Bateman is a curse word among those who know him.
    My favorite Bateman memory was that he wanted to outlaw email on campus at one time because of the possibility of receiving pornographic spam (or other email that would drive the spirit away or something).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    My favorite Bateman memory was that he wanted to outlaw email on campus at one time because of the possibility of receiving pornographic spam (or other email that would drive the spirit away or something).
    He must have suffered from a mini-Ernie Wilkerson or is it Wilkinson complex, thinking their people seeking to undermine the Church in every corner of the university. He was the worst BYU president in modern times, followed by Samuelson.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    He must have suffered from a mini-Ernie Wilkerson or is it Wilkinson complex, thinking their people seeking to undermine the Church in every corner of the university. He was the worst BYU president in modern times, followed by Samuelson.
    BYU only exists in modern history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    BYU only exists in modern history.
    It depends how you define it, because many define modern era as post-WWII or post-1950. That's due to FDR bringing modern government, and the advent of modern medicine becoming widespread, vaccines and technology spreading. Perhaps you disagree with that definition. But yes, BYU is a young university.

    And yes it's Wilkinson, not Wilkerson.

    Your snarky comment is much appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    BYU only exists in modern history.
    And in narratives.
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