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    If you don’t think Lebron is at least as good as Jordan was, please speak up.*



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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    If you don’t think Lebron is at least as good as Jordan was, please speak up.*



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    He's better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    He's better.
    Yep. I’ve felt that way ever since the Cavs came back from 3-1.

    The fact anyone other than LBJ has won a MVP the past 7 years, is silly. 10 or 20 years from now it will become unfathomable. Who would take Russ, Harden or even Curry over LBJ? No sane person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    Yep. I’ve felt that way ever since the Cavs came back from 3-1.

    The fact anyone other than LBJ has won a MVP the past 7 years, is silly. 10 or 20 years from now it will become unfathomable. Who would take Russ, Harden or even Curry over LBJ? No sane person.
    Yep Lebron is no doubt the best player of all time. Nobody else is close and definitely Jordan was not as good.

    However in a given year if you look at the real plus-minus it’s not crazy to choose Harden or even Anthony Davis this seaseon based on a metric like this: http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/WINS

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    Raptors run into a LeBrontosaurus.

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    It's close between LeBron and MJ. I lean MJ, but I won't begrudge anybody for choosing LBJ - or Kareem for that matter. In my mind its Kareem, MJ and LeBron - then everybody else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    If you don’t think Lebron is at least as good as Jordan was, please speak up.*



    * I want to know who to ignore in the future, in regards to any hoops discussion.
    You're unlikely to ever sit down with Magic, Jerry West, Shaq, Hakeem, etc anyway, but it's nice knowing you could just ignore them in any hoops discussion.

    The only great player that I've seen say LeBron is better than MJ is the original Isaiah Thomas.

    Julius Erving thinks Kareem is the greatest and MJ is #2. There are a number of others who think the same thing.
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    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    It's close between LeBron and MJ. I lean MJ, but I won't begrudge anybody for choosing LBJ - or Kareem for that matter. In my mind its Kareem, MJ and LeBron - then everybody else.
    There's also Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
    There's also Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell.
    Both great, but neither in the conversation for GOAT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    Both great, but neither in the conversation for GOAT.
    There are a number of former players who say that about Wilt (Karl Malone and Walt Frazier to name a couple), fewer say it about Russell.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
    You're unlikely to ever sit down with Magic, Jerry West, Shaq, Hakeem, etc anyway, but it's nice knowing you could just ignore them in any hoops discussion.

    The only great player that I've seen say LeBron is better than MJ is the original Isaiah Thomas.

    Julius Erving thinks Kareem is the greatest and MJ is #2. There are a number of others who think the same thing.
    Old retired NBA players are the last guys you should ask about whether MJ or Lebron is better. They will go with the older guy just out of sentimentality and that totally irrational sense that everything was better decades ago.

    These are the guys who never learned to shoot 3-pointers and still have no concept of basic math much less the offensive and defensive efficiency concepts that current coaches and players understand and apply to the game now.

    This is like asking Tom Brady why he’s a great QB and he’ll talk about drinking a lot of water and vitamins and weird stretching exercises.

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    The older guys will always choose someone from their era, or one of their heroes. In 20 years, there will be overwhelming support for LBJ as the GOAT, with the gap between LBJ and MJ growing each year. Bill Russell, Wilt and Kareem will be relics that people understood were good in their day, but couldn't seriously compete with LBJ.
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    Dwayne Casey wins coach of the year one day, gets fired by Toronto the next.

    Clearly the Raptors are tired of being humiliated by LeBron James in the playoffs every year, and this is some attempt to “shake things up” in order to prevent that from happening once again in the future. But what good is this really going to do? Casey’s big failure as a head coach has been his inability to beat James in the playoffs, but that’s a weakness that virtually every other coach and team in the league possesses. Is there some available coach out there who has a secret plan for making James less good at basketball? If so, the Raptors should definitely hire that guy. If not, they probably should have just kept the guy who has consistently won a lot of games for them!
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    S-M-R-T, we are so smart.

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    lol at the raptors
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    Best coach in the universe Brad Stevens is leaving Marcus Morris in the game after he gets 2 fouls in the first 2 minutes. Guy who gets it alert!

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    I hate the Rockets. Glad the Warriors are humbling them tonight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    I hate the Rockets. Glad the Warriors are humbling them tonight.
    Problem is, I hate both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Problem is, I hate both.
    I thought I hated both but then I watch the game and realize I hate Houston a helluva lot more.

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    I'm obviously a homer, but GS is so much more fun to watch than Harden and the others. Other than Green's early moments of stupidity, the W's played a very solid game and they finally look to be in championship form. The series is far from over, though.

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    rockets got shit pumped. love it!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    The series is far from over, though.
    I thought it was going 7, now I'm feeling the sweep.

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    That time the second best player in the league joined the team that was already the best team in the league and probably the best team in NBA history. Yeah that was super annoying. Still is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    I'm obviously a homer, but GS is so much more fun to watch than Harden and the others. Other than Green's early moments of stupidity, the W's played a very solid game and they finally look to be in championship form. The series is far from over, though.
    i'd say their style is fun to watch, but they are not fun to watch simply because there isn't anybody who can compete with them. they are too stacked. They were arguably the greatest team in NBA history and to then to go and add a guy like Durant was too much. I don't blame them for getting him, but it has effectively ruined the game for me. nobody is beating that group 4 times. the drama in sports is what makes it special and entertaining. that has been taken from the game.
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    Houston losing this series will give LeBron the opportunity to join them without completely gravy-training off their current success (unlike Kevin Durant). LeBron doesn't beat GW two years ago if Curry doesn't get hurt or Green doesn't go for his balls. Durant joining them was a joke.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Color Me Badd Fan View Post
    Houston losing this series will give LeBron the opportunity to join them without completely gravy-training off their current success (unlike Kevin Durant). LeBron doesn't beat GW two years ago if Curry doesn't get hurt or Green doesn't go for his balls. Durant joining them was a joke.
    Nope. Terrible fit for what Lebron wants at this point in his career. Yes he plays a lot of iso ball, but with the ball in his hands. You think LBJ wants to stand and watch the beard dribble, shuffle, dribble, pull-up for a stepback 3, 30 time a game? No way. He wants to go play with younger (funner) players. Philly has to be the top contender. I don't know if they have the cap space, but the Pelicans would be a great fit too. Sadly, he will probably end up in LA with Paul George, and I can never root for him again .... expect when he is playing against GS or the Jazz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    i'd say their style is fun to watch, but they are not fun to watch simply because there isn't anybody who can compete with them. they are too stacked. They were arguably the greatest team in NBA history and to then to go and add a guy like Durant was too much. I don't blame them for getting him, but it has effectively ruined the game for me. nobody is beating that group 4 times. the drama in sports is what makes it special and entertaining. that has been taken from the game.
    That's what ruined the game? You mean three steps, plus a Euro-step...not being travelling wasn't enough? Or the 8 guys standing on one side of the key while they Iso on the other side for 23 seconds of the shot clock?

    The last time Lebron fouled out of a game was 4/9/17...the lack of consistency is what has taken the fun from the game.

    College is much much better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    i'd say their style is fun to watch, but they are not fun to watch simply because there isn't anybody who can compete with them. they are too stacked. They were arguably the greatest team in NBA history and to then to go and add a guy like Durant was too much. I don't blame them for getting him, but it has effectively ruined the game for me. nobody is beating that group 4 times. the drama in sports is what makes it special and entertaining. that has been taken from the game.
    I don't think the Warriors are a lock to win it all, but obviously I wouldn't mind. Last night's first half was very intense and as balanced as one could hope for.

    It's strange how many (esp. on CB) rip on KD and the Warriors for coming together, as if they had some duty to spurn each other for the good of the league. Their success will be relatively short-lived in the eternal NBA scheme. And unlike some great teams, the core elements of the Warriors were homegrown, which (at least for me) makes their current success all the more admirable. I assume there isn't an NBA fan out there who wouldn't want their own team to do what the W's have done, offensive though it may be to the others. Sadly, this too shall pass, but it's a lot of fun for now. Over the past few years, the missus has become a big fan and much more knowledgeable about the game. We've watched together all but a handful of games the past five years. Think she might be a fair weather fan, though. TBD

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    I thought I hated both but then I watch the game and realize I hate Houston a helluva lot more.
    This is what I experienced too. Thought I didn't care who won. Discovered that I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    Nope. Terrible fit for what Lebron wants at this point in his career. Yes he plays a lot of iso ball, but with the ball in his hands. You think LBJ wants to stand and watch the beard dribble, shuffle, dribble, pull-up for a stepback 3, 30 time a game? No way. He wants to go play with younger (funner) players. Philly has to be the top contender. I don't know if they have the cap space, but the Pelicans would be a great fit too. Sadly, he will probably end up in LA with Paul George, and I can never root for him again .... expect when he is playing against GS or the Jazz.
    I agree that he can't go to Houston. That would give them 3 stars who need the ball - perhaps THE three players in the league who most need the ball in their hands. In order to beat GS, you have to not only have stars, but there has to be fit. You have to maximize their skillsets because that's how GS is constructed with their 4 stars.

    It's also why Philly is a better fit than Houston, but still not a great fit because you aren't maximizing Simmons abilities as LeBron would dominate the ball.

    IMO, in terms of realistic scenarios, the Lakers might be the best fit. Sign PG13, and put him and LeBron with Ingram, Kuzma, Randle, Hart and that group of talented youngsters, and they could be pretty damn formidable.

    Other teams like Utah and Indiana would be pretty great fits as well - putting him next to Oladipo or Mitchell with the versatile rosters and shooters those teams bring to the table, but those are pipe dreams.

    Give LeBron a secondary scorer, shooters and defense - he'll contend for a title.
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