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    Bama fired a basketball administrator today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCcoug View Post
    Bama fired a basketball administrator today.
    Turns out Kobie Baker's last job before Alabama was with the NCAA as an Assistant Director of Enforcement for Basketball Development.

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    the University of Oregon's name has been mentioned. So we're getting closer.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/recruiting...l_assista.html
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    Call me crazy but I'm having a tough time working up much moral outrage over this.

    Let's see -- a few hard working assistant coaches make a little cash and some of the best basketball players in the country get paid by shoe companies a few years early. The horror! Throw everybody in jail!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    Call me crazy but I'm having a tough time working up much moral outrage over this.

    Let's see -- a few hard working assistant coaches make a little cash and some of the best basketball players in the country get paid by shoe companies a few years early. The horror! Throw everybody in jail!
    You don't have a problem with schools paying 18 year old kids $100k to come to play for them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    You don't have a problem with schools paying 18 year old kids $100k to come to play for them?
    Schools should be able to pay kids


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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    You don't have a problem with schools paying 18 year old kids $100k to come to play for them?
    To generate millions? Seems like a good investment by the schools to me.

    It's a dumb system the way the NCAA exploits the top men's basketball and football players. They should all be payed.

    This is kind of a victimless crime except for the schools who played by the rules being at a disadvantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    To generate millions? Seems like a good investment by the schools to me.

    It's a dumb system the way the NCAA exploits the top men's basketball and football players. They should all be payed.

    This is kind of a victimless crime except for the schools who played by the rules being at a disadvantage.
    I guess if your baseline position is that players should be paid, you wouldn't be outraged when they get paid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    Call me crazy but I'm having a tough time working up much moral outrage over this.

    Let's see -- a few hard working assistant coaches make a little cash and some of the best basketball players in the country get paid by shoe companies a few years early. The horror! Throw everybody in jail!
    This is kind of what I was getting at with my earlier post. These payment schemes are certainly NCAA violations. But are they (or should they be) against the law?

    One potential issue is the tax reporting. How many of the recipient players/families/coaches included the payments as taxable income?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    Call me crazy but I'm having a tough time working up much moral outrage over this.

    Let's see -- a few hard working assistant coaches make a little cash and some of the best basketball players in the country get paid by shoe companies a few years early. The horror! Throw everybody in jail!
    I'm not quite on board with you, but I am a little surprised that the FBI is allocating resources for this type of investigation. I could be way off base, but what I've read makes me question whether this should be a crime. An NCAA violation? Sure. But no one should be incarcerated over this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Schools should be able to pay kids


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    No, kids should be able to skip college and get paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    No, kids should be able to skip college and get paid.
    Why not both?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Why not both?


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    I personally don't think that colleges should be in the buisness of paying for athletic talent; but I have no moral qualms with doing so, more pragmatic ones.

    But I definitely think there should not be an age limit to enter the NBA/NFL/professional women's volleyball league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    I personally don't think that colleges should be in the buisness of paying for athletic talent; but I have no moral qualms with doing so, more pragmatic ones.

    But I definitely think there should not be an age limit to enter the NBA/NFL/professional women's volleyball league.
    It depends on if you seek egalitarian solutions or elitist. Do we want the same small group of colleges to distance themselves more, or do we want a broader scope of competition.
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    The case against Chuck Person is a good example. He needed money and got hooked up with a "financial planner (i.e. fraudster)" that paid him to connect him with a player. Person then tells the player that this is the guy that you need to take care of your money and the kid says "I trust you 100%." Person then lies to the kid's mother that this guy is a guy that managed his and Charles Barkley's money when he was in the NBA. Person does not inquire as to whether the adviser has qualifications, abilities or can deliver any of the promised benefits ( he has been involved in schemes defrauding people for years, and he is an FBI informant).

    That is the fraudulent element. If it were just NCAA stuff no biggie. These coaches are alleged to have used their positions to manipulate players and families to take actions with only their own bottom lines at heart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
    The case against Chuck Person is a good example. He needed money and got hooked up with a "financial planner (i.e. fraudster)" that paid him to connect him with a player. Person then tells the player that this is the guy that you need to take care of your money and the kid says "I trust you 100%." Person then lies to the kid's mother that this guy is a guy that managed his and Charles Barkley's money when he was in the NBA. Person does not inquire as to whether the adviser has qualifications, abilities or can deliver any of the promised benefits ( he has been involved in schemes defrauding people for years, and he is an FBI informant).

    That is the fraudulent element. If it were just NCAA stuff no biggie. These coaches are alleged to have used their positions to manipulate players and families to take actions with only their own bottom lines at heart.
    Cardiac see nothing wrong with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
    The case against Chuck Person is a good example. He needed money and got hooked up with a "financial planner (i.e. fraudster)" that paid him to connect him with a player. Person then tells the player that this is the guy that you need to take care of your money and the kid says "I trust you 100%." Person then lies to the kid's mother that this guy is a guy that managed his and Charles Barkley's money when he was in the NBA. Person does not inquire as to whether the adviser has qualifications, abilities or can deliver any of the promised benefits ( he has been involved in schemes defrauding people for years, and he is an FBI informant).

    That is the fraudulent element. If it were just NCAA stuff no biggie. These coaches are alleged to have used their positions to manipulate players and families to take actions with only their own bottom lines at heart.
    I just read part of the ESPN article. That's definitely bad mojo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    I just read part of the ESPN article. That's definitely bad mojo.
    So this is nothing earth shattering, but looks like Nike is referenced as doing the same things Adidas was caught doing.

    After the Louisville assistant left the hotel room, Dawkins and the others discussed the payment plan to the first recruit's family. He said that even though Adidas had agreed to pay him $100,000, a rival athletic apparel company was "coming with a higher number," and he needed to get more money from Adidas to secure the player's commitment to Louisville. Dawkins said he'd spoken to the second unnamed Louisville coach and told him, "I need you to call Jim Gatto, who's the head of everything" at Adidas' basketball program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    So this is nothing earth shattering, but looks like Nike is referenced as doing the same things Adidas was caught doing.



    http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...rds-corruption
    I have no idea if Nike does or doesn't engage in this, I would suspect they do. However, I'd have a hard time arguing that your quoted part means Nike. Could be UA, could be Nike, could be a lie to negotiate more money or quicker payment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HuskyFreeNorthwest View Post
    I have no idea if Nike does or doesn't engage in this, I would suspect they do. However, I'd have a hard time arguing that your quoted part means Nike. Could be UA, could be Nike, could be a lie to negotiate more money or quicker payment.
    Yeah, it's speculation on my part. But I do think Nike is the most logical assumption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
    The case against Chuck Person is a good example. He needed money and got hooked up with a "financial planner (i.e. fraudster)" that paid him to connect him with a player. Person then tells the player that this is the guy that you need to take care of your money and the kid says "I trust you 100%." Person then lies to the kid's mother that this guy is a guy that managed his and Charles Barkley's money when he was in the NBA. Person does not inquire as to whether the adviser has qualifications, abilities or can deliver any of the promised benefits ( he has been involved in schemes defrauding people for years, and he is an FBI informant).
    My understanding is that this "financial planner" Marty Blazer, as part of his cooperation with the FBI, goes to Chuck Person wearing a wire and offers him $50K and then rolls from there.

    Of course I totally agree that Chuck Person is a scumbag but this crime was created by the FBI and is entrapment it seems to me, not something that existed until the FBI sent Marty Blazer to Chuck Person with a wire. Is that incorrect?

    I wonder what percentage of people in this country would turn down $50K for doing their recruiting job really well and passing along a little money from a shoe company. Still not a fan of this type of entrapment and prosecution. Sorry.

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    Jay Bilas gets it. Pay the players!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    My understanding is that this "financial planner" Marty Blazer, as part of his cooperation with the FBI, goes to Chuck Person wearing a wire and offers him $50K and then rolls from there.

    Of course I totally agree that Chuck Person is a scumbag but this crime was created by the FBI and is entrapment it seems to me, not something that existed until the FBI sent Marty Blazer to Chuck Person with a wire. Is that incorrect?

    I wonder what percentage of people in this country would turn down $50K for doing their recruiting job really well and passing along a little money from a shoe company. Still not a fan of this type of entrapment and prosecution. Sorry.
    I'm no fan of entrapment, but what is alleged is that the clothier, Michel brought Blazer and Person together because Person needed money. Then Person used his influence to enrich himself with no diligence on behalf of an innocent kid to ensure that this person he was pushing was legit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Anyone care to predict which schools get dinged with the next round of arrests. The winner gets a prize to be determined by BYUMizzou. Prizes currently under consideration include $1 million, a round trip all-expenses paid trip to Fiji, or a virtual high five from BYUMizzou.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BYUMizzou View Post
    Anyone care to predict which schools get dinged with the next round of arrests. The winner gets a prize to be determined by BYUMizzou. Prizes currently under consideration include $1 million, a round trip all-expenses paid trip to Fiji, or a virtual high five from BYUMizzou.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    If there is a God in heaven, it will be Utah.
    For certain. Utah's coach has been filthy about buying athletes. Some of this will stick to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerDog View Post
    For certain. Utah's coach has been filthy about buying athletes. Some of this will stick to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerDog View Post
    For certain. Utah's coach has been filthy about buying athletes. Some of this will stick to them.
    Coach K’s main complaint was that he lost recruits to other schools who could pay more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    If there is a God in heaven, it will be Utah.
    You can't beat us so you try and tarnish our reputation. Sad.

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