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    Jones-Perry doing work early on. Lake, too.
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    Oregon, what a strange approach. They don't sub out any of their pin hitters when they rotate to the back row. The upside is it gives you behind the 3M line attacks. But there is a problem if none of your pin hitters can pass at all. And BYU absolutely destroyed them because of that.

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    Roni Jones-Perry was unbelievable tonight. And Mary Lake was Mary Lake. This is a fun team, and they get almost everyone back next year.
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    Really nice crowd tonight; felt like a men's game.

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    This team is really good and Heather is one of the best strategy coaches in college volleyball.

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    Just got back from the ward party and watched with my daughter (who worships at the altar of Mary Lake). Lake was great, but Jones-Perry was unreal. I don’t know the exact stat, but it felt like she hit .750. She couldn’t miss.
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    Doubt HFN sleeps much tonight, which finally spares me the trouble of asking him how he sleeps at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerDog View Post
    This team is really good and Heather is one of the best strategy coaches in college volleyball.
    Agreed. Putting Stetler In was a bold move. Definitely lose a bit on the front row, but a better passer in serve reception.

    We get spoiled by having Lake, but Oregon’s libero was Marginal as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    Just got back from the ward party and watched with my daughter (who worships at the altar of Mary Lake). Lake was great, but Jones-Perry was unreal. I don’t know the exact stat, but it felt like she hit .750. She couldn’t miss.
    She mixed it up so well. Oregon’s block was legit, and she had to get crafty. I love it when she goes full Ben Patch from the back row.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    Oregon, what a strange approach. They don't sub out any of their pin hitters when they rotate to the back row. The upside is it gives you behind the 3M line attacks. But there is a problem if none of your pin hitters can pass at all. And BYU absolutely destroyed them because of that.
    It’s by far the more common approach in my experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    Agreed. Putting Stetler In was a bold move. Definitely lose a bit on the front row, but a better passer in serve reception.

    We get spoiled by having Lake, but Oregon’s libero was Marginal as well.
    We’ve had a major hole at right side all year and Heather has covered it. Stetler was just one more approach to filling a gap in the rotation that’s hurt us all year. Win for Heather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillerDog View Post
    It’s by far the more common approach in my experience.
    Maybe more generally but I don't think that's true for the WCC, at least. Virtually everyone team I saw this year ran defensive specialist and typically had maybe one player (like BYU's does) play back and front (besides the setter). I think that's pretty common for a 5-1 in the women's game. Grant you, Oregon runs a 6-2 (only remember one other 6-2 team this year) so if you want a back row attack you pretty much have to do it. But you're really putting pressure on your libero to cover lots of ground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Roni Jones-Perry was unbelievable tonight. And Mary Lake was Mary Lake. This is a fun team, and they get almost everyone back next year.
    They also signed one national type player, Gneiting and a very good regional player for next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    Maybe more generally but I don't think that's true for the WCC, at least. Virtually everyone team I saw this year ran defensive specialist and typically had maybe one player (like BYU's does) play back and front (besides the setter). I think that's pretty common for a 5-1 in the women's game. Grant you, Oregon runs a 6-2 (only remember one other 6-2 team this year) so if you want a back row attack you pretty much have to do it. But you're really putting pressure on your libero to cover lots of ground.
    Has BYU always run a 5-1? Where is the hole you're speaking of? I haven't been able to watch very many matches this year.

    Doesn't BYU have enough aggressive players to run a 6-2, or are you stating we have one great setter and our second setter is not of equal quality?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Has BYU always run a 5-1?
    I don't know. In the Olmstead(s) era they have. The vast majority of teams run 5-1 at the collegiate level as far as I can tell.

    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Where is the hole you're speaking of? I haven't been able to watch very many matches this year.
    I didn't think I was. K-dog was in earlier posts. He's referring to BYU's weakness at opposite: Taylon Ballard is injuried, Hamson hasn't developed enough, Haddock is undersized, etc.
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    It’s pretty uncommon in NCAA women’s. Stanford men’s team ran a “true” 6-2 a few years ago (setter did not sub out in the front row). One of our WCC opponents ran a 6-2, I believe.

    If you have two equally talented setters, a 6-2 May make sense, but I dont think BYU has that luxury.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    It’s pretty uncommon in NCAA women’s. Stanford men’s team ran a “true” 6-2 a few years ago (setter did not sub out in the front row). One of our WCC opponents ran a 6-2, I believe.

    If you have two equally talented setters, a 6-2 May make sense, but I dont think BYU has that luxury.
    UCLA men have run it the last couple of years: micah alba and sinjin smith's son run it for them

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    UCLA men have run it the last couple of years: micah alba and sinjin smith's son run it for them
    I think I'm thinking of UCLA and not Stanford.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    It’s pretty uncommon in NCAA women’s. Stanford men’s team ran a “true” 6-2 a few years ago (setter did not sub out in the front row). One of our WCC opponents ran a 6-2, I believe.

    If you have two equally talented setters, a 6-2 May make sense, but I dont think BYU has that luxury.
    Correct me if I err, but doesn't the 6-2 offer more attacking possibilities?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Correct me if I err, but doesn't the 6-2 offer more attacking possibilities?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Correct me if I err, but doesn't the 6-2 offer more attacking possibilities?
    I see what you mean: if the setter is always back row, you always have 3 front row hitters.

    It's all personnel dependent. There are pros, but there are cons too. In BYU's situation, I think the benefit of continuity of the setter, having the a more talented setter on the court, including Haddock's ability to block, dictates that the 5-1 is best. But, it's nice to have OH-MB-OPP when Lacy is backrow, no doubt.

    There' also a tradeoff defensively (and the setter can never dump the ball).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    I see what you mean: if the setter is always back row, you always have 3 front row hitters.

    It's all personnel dependent. There are pros, but there are cons too. In BYU's situation, I think the benefit of continuity of the setter, having the a more talented setter on the court, including Haddock's ability to block dictates that the 5-1 is best.

    There' also a tradeoff defensively (and the setter can never dump the ball).
    Right, and those three front row attacker/blockers come with the tradeoff off on return of serve. You only have two dedicated back row players for return of serve. In the women's game, that means you have less ability to sub in defensive specialists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    Right, and those three front row attacker/blockers come with the tradeoff off on return of serve. You only have two dedicated back row players for return of serve. In the women's game, that means you have less ability to sub in defensive specialists.
    If I am interpreting you correctly, a simple way of putting it is that a more offensive minded set can be a defensive liability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    If I am interpreting you correctly, a simple way of putting it is that a more offensive minded set can be a defensive liability.
    Sure ... of course, this shows up in the 5-1 as well. The setter in the back represents the relatively strong offensive and blocking rotations and the setter in front represent the relatively weak ones. That's why BYU times Ronnie Jones-Perry's rotations they way they do. She is the one player on BYU who consistently plays back and front. She is mostly in front when the setter is in the back and mostly in the back when the setter is in the front. Since Perry is capable of attacks behind the 3M line it gives BYU another offensive option when the setter is in the front and she is in the back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarid in Cedar View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    Sure ... of course, this shows up in the 5-1 as well. The setter in the back represents the relatively strong offensive and blocking rotations and the setter in front represent the relatively weak ones. That's why BYU times Ronnie Jones-Perry's rotations they way they do. She is the one player on BYU who consistently plays back and front. She is mostly in front when the setter is in the back and mostly in the back when the setter is in the front. Since Perry is capable of attacks behind the 3M line it gives BYU another offensive option when the setter is in the front and she is in the back.
    Does BYU have somebody to emulate Mary Lake, or will Coach be looking for one this coming year? I realize she is a sophomore, but you can never have too many defensive specialists/liberos. Did Tristyn Moser play at all this year?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Does BYU have somebody to emulate Mary Lake, or will Coach be looking for one this coming year? I realize she is a sophomore, but you can never have too many defensive specialists/liberos. Did Tristyn Moser play at all this year?
    Tristyn Moser and Sydnie Martindale are the backup liberos and they both play on the back row. Moser played almost in every game on the back row. There were some games where she was pulled though. Olmstead has a relatively quick trigger with Moser. She will replace her with Stetler sometimes (Stetler played a lot in the back row last year too). That's what happened on Saturday, but then Stetler also replaced Haddock at opposite. So Stetler ended up playing all the rotations.
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