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    Started 3-0 this weekend, including a 3-1 win over ranked Ohio State.

    Veronica Jones-Perry looks like a completely new player.she played Opp, And OH at different times and had some monster kills from the back row. New faces include a DS JC transfer who played well during her 2.5 rotations (Martindale?), Cosy Burnett as a MB, and freshman Kennedy Redding as a MB. Lacy Haddock hurt her knee over the weekend. Denelle Sterler was hit and cold filling in against Ohio State.
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    The sole bright spot for BYU is Wally's favorite team, Women's Volleyball.

    BYU defeated Nevada 3-0 after having defeated the Wahine the night before.

    http://stats.statbroadcast.com/broadcast/?id=184107
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    The sole bright spot for BYU is Wally's favorite team, Women's Volleyball.

    BYU defeated Nevada 3-0 after having defeated the Wahine the night before.

    http://stats.statbroadcast.com/broadcast/?id=184107
    Went to the first homestand; actually really like the lineup and it wouldn't surprise me to see this team make a deep run in the tourney. Well, I should say I really like the line-up when they keep Jones-Perry on the left-side. I didn't like the dynamic as near as much when they tried run her as the opposite. She is just so much more comfortable and dynamic as a normal outside hitter

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    Went to the first homestand; actually really like the lineup and it wouldn't surprise me to see this team make a deep run in the tourney. Well, I should say I really like the line-up when they keep Jones-Perry on the left-side. I didn't like the dynamic as near as much when they tried run her as the opposite. She is just so much more comfortable and dynamic as a normal outside hitter
    I like her there as well. But they served to the middle quite a bit recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    Went to the first homestand; actually really like the lineup and it wouldn't surprise me to see this team make a deep run in the tourney. Well, I should say I really like the line-up when they keep Jones-Perry on the left-side. I didn't like the dynamic as near as much when they tried run her as the opposite. She is just so much more comfortable and dynamic as a normal outside hitter
    Burnett had a great statistical game last night against Nevada. I'm pleasantly surprised with her performance in the middle. I noticed Robins-Hardy was setting last night. The Haddock who sets had a rough first few matches. I wonder if the move to R-H was so she could play in front of her home fans or if Haddock is getting a break to regroup. I think this happened a few times last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    Burnett had a great statistical game last night against Nevada. I'm pleasantly surprised with her performance in the middle.
    Yeah, me too. Strikes me a just a really good coaching move.

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    Perhaps others watched it, but the ladies were upset by Baylor, who came in I believe unranked. Pelagius, did you see what led to their downfall?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Perhaps others watched it, but the ladies were upset by Baylor, who came in I believe unranked. Pelagius, did you see what led to their downfall?
    Nope, I'm not interested enough in women's volleyball to try to catch the away games. I do like attending them in the SFH. I probably go to 2/3 of the home matches, and I do get season tickets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Perhaps others watched it, but the ladies were upset by Baylor, who came in I believe unranked. Pelagius, did you see what led to their downfall?
    None of the games in Hawaii were available on TV.
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    So BYU finally beats Utah at something. In SLC, no less. Booyah!

    Wally should be proud.

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    Nice 3-1 win for BYU over 17th ranked San Diego at San Diego:

    http://www.wccsports.com/gamecenter/...93017-usd.html

    More importantly it looks like the team has found an opposite: Taylen Ballard. Really BYU is running all the pin hitters at opposite but her front line rotation is like 2 at opposite and 1 at outside. So she gets more time at opposite than anyone else. She's a very good blocker, and over the past couple of weeks she's gotten a lot better (more comfortable?) offensively. She had 9 kills and hit 400 against a good San Diego team yesterday. Probably more importantly, she and Kennedy Redding really frustrated the San Diego pin hitters when they could put on a double block (which was frequent).

    Really bullish about this team making a deeper run than the sweet 16.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    Nice 3-1 win for BYU over 17th ranked San Diego at San Diego:

    http://www.wccsports.com/gamecenter/...93017-usd.html

    More importantly it looks like the team has found an opposite: Taylen Ballard. Really BYU is running all the pin hitters at opposite but her front line rotation is like 2 at opposite and 1 at outside. So she gets more time at opposite than anyone else. She's a very good blocker, and over the past couple of weeks she's gotten a lot better (more comfortable?) offensively. She had 9 kills and hit 400 against a good San Diego team yesterday. Probably more importantly, she and Kennedy Redding really frustrated the San Diego pin hitters when they could put on a double block (which was frequent).

    Really bullish about this team making a deeper run than the sweet 16.
    I took my daughters down for the match yesterday. General admission seating, so we were second row up and just offset from the net.

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    USD is a solid team (currently ranked #17 before yesterday's match; NCAA tournament qualifiers 19 of the last 21 seasons), and I think it was a good chance for the Cougars to have some quality competition and see where they stand. The first three sets were really close, and all were exciting. It was nice to see the Cougars take charge in the fourth set and put the match away.

    I'm with you on being bullish about the team. I don't know if they're in that Florida/Penn State/Texas/Stanford tier, but they are in that next cut at the very least.
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    The five setter with with St. Mary's last night was interesting. St Mary's is not a good team; last night was roughly equivalent to putting away RPI 150-200 team with free throws in the last minute to win by 4-5 points. BYU simply shouldn't struggle against a team in that tier, but St. Mary's exposed and pretty effectively exploited BYU's biggest (and probably only significant) weakness. In the back row, Mary Lake (libero) is covering up for defensive passing problems. St. Mary's was really effective at keeping their serve away from Lake. Everybody outside of Mary Lake struggled with their passing. For example, St. Mary's was effectively placing relative short serves that forced outside hitters to make a pass. BYU really struggle with that. I imagine other teams are going to copy this strategy; doubt many teams will be able to do it consistently, but I still think BYU's going to have to adjust.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    BYU simply shouldn't struggle against a team in that tier, but St. Mary's exposed and pretty effectively exploited BYU's biggest (and probably only significant) weakness. ..... Everybody outside of Mary Lake struggled with their passing.
    My wife agrees with you. She's the VB expert in the family. I enjoy watching, but don't have the knowledge to technically break down what we're doing in an X's and O's type of way. I just see that we shank a lot of balls on the first touch or overpass or can't get a good pass to the setter. I'm not sure why. I sometimes wonder if we'd be better off not letting our hitters play in the back row. Maybe give any libero not named Mary Lake a regular jersey and then sub them in back row in a regular rotation. Obviously that takes out our ability to attack effectively from behind the 10 ft line, but maybe that's a reasonable tradeoff for bad passing.

    Also, why are so many of our home games on the W.tv? Don't we have an HD truck, and shiny new TV building, and the finest crew of student production assistants in the known universe? We spent all these millions of dollars for tier 1 TV production capabilities, and a big chunk of our home games get a grainy laptop stream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BYUMizzou View Post
    I sometimes wonder if we'd be better off not letting our hitters play in the back row. Maybe give any libero not named Mary Lake a regular jersey and then sub them in back row in a regular rotation. Obviously that takes out our ability to attack effectively from behind the 10 ft line, but maybe that's a reasonable tradeoff for bad passing.
    Well, they already play 2 defensive specialists in every rotation: Mary Lake + Moser or Mary Lake + Martindale. Moser and Martindale are the back-up liberos. Both are going to have to pass well for the avoid Mary Lake strategy not to work. I think it really hurts not having Santiago as a DS. Going into the season I would have guessed that we'd miss Amy Boswell the most, but I think it's Santiago. The only front row player that really consistently plays back row rotations is Jones-Perry (Stetler a bit too). They could do less of that, but she does give BYU a 3m line attack. Interestingly, the big change they made on Thursday in the 3rd set was to replace McKenna Miller with Lacy Haddock. One advantage of Haddock is she's a better passer; she gave BYU a front court player that could effectively dig short stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    Well, they already play 2 defensive specialists in every rotation: Mary Lake + Moser or Mary Lake + Martindale. Moser and Martindale are the back-up liberos. Both are going to have to pass well for the avoid Mary Lake strategy not to work. I think it really hurts not having Santiago as a DS. Going into the season I would have guessed that we'd miss Amy Boswell the most, but I think it's Santiago. The only front row player that really consistently plays back row rotations is Jones-Perry (Stetler a bit too). They could do less of that, but she does give BYU a 3m line attack. Interestingly, the big change they made on Thursday in the 3rd set was to replace McKenna Miller with Lacy Haddock. One advantage of Haddock is she's a better passer; she gave BYU a front court player that could effectively dig short stuff.
    Destroyed Pacific today (similar quality as St. Mary's team ... probably a bit better ... top 150 instead of top 200). Passed much better, but Pacific didn't serve nearly as well as St. Mary's. I thought Martindale, in particular, passed well today.

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    Anybody watch the Portland game last night, or going to watch the Gonzaga game tomorrow night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Anybody watch the Portland game last night, or going to watch the Gonzaga game tomorrow night?

    https://byucougars.com/story/w-volle...nd-team-effort
    Yes and I will go tomorrow too. They are playing really well, but Portland was costly. Taylen Ballard hurt her knee. No idea how long she'll be out. Tough loss; Haddock will replace her, and she's solid but it's a big loss in height and blocking prowess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    Yes and I will go tomorrow too. They are playing really well, but Portland was costly. Taylen Ballard hurt her knee. No idea how long she'll be out. Tough loss; Haddock will replace her, and she's solid but it's a big loss in height and blocking prowess.
    You confused me when you said Portland was costly. At first I thought you meant it was a loss, but I thought I'd seen some graphic on Twitter showing BYU won in three sets. Then I noticed the following sentence about the injury. Bummer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    You confused me when you said Portland was costly. At first I thought you meant it was a loss, but I thought I'd seen some graphic on Twitter showing BYU won in three sets. Then I noticed the following sentence about the injury. Bummer.
    Yeah, you're right ... that was confusing if you don't follow the team. Yeah, they absolutely crushed crushed them. Portland's ok. Probably an 80-120 ranked team, but BYU out served, out passed, out blocked, and out hit them.

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    Unfortunately, the BYU women are getting snubbed by the computers in RPI. Consider the current RPI rankings:

    http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/volleyball-women/d1

    Rankings - NCAA Women's Volleyball RPI

    Through Games OCT. 15, 2017
    NCAA Women's Volleyball RPI

    RANK SCHOOL CONFERENCE RECORD ROAD NEUTRAL HOME NON DIV I
    1 Penn St. Big Ten 17-1 4-0 5-0 8-1 0-0
    2 Minnesota Big Ten 17-2 5-1 6-0 6-1 0-0
    3 Florida Southeastern 14-1 2-0 2-0 10-1 0-0
    4 Texas Big 12 14-2 6-1 3-0 5-1 0-0
    5 Kentucky Southeastern 16-2 4-2 3-0 9-0 0-0
    6 Nebraska Big Ten 14-4 5-2 1-2 8-0 0-0
    7 Stanford Pac-12 15-2 9-0 2-2 4-0 0-0
    8 Wisconsin Big Ten 13-4 2-2 2-0 9-2 0-0
    9 Oregon Pac-12 11-5 2-3 1-1 8-1 0-0
    10 Utah Pac-12 16-3 6-1 4-0 6-2 0-0
    11 Washington Pac-12 15-4 5-1 3-0 7-3 0-0
    12 Kansas Big 12 16-3 6-1 5-0 5-2 0-0
    13 Creighton Big East 14-5 5-2 3-2 6-1 0-0
    14 Purdue Big Ten 15-4 4-2 4-0 7-2 0-0
    15 UCLA Pac-12 12-5 5-2 3-0 4-3 0-0
    16 Southern California Pac-12 14-5 5-2 3-2 6-1 0-0
    17 BYU West Coast 19-1 9-0 3-1 7-0 0-0
    18 Michigan St. Big Ten 13-4 3-4 4-0 6-0 0-0
    19 Illinois Big Ten 15-4 6-1 6-0 3-3 0-0
    20 Wichita St. AAC 16-3 6-1 5-1 5-1 0-0
    21 Iowa St. Big 12 12-4 4-2 3-0 5-2 0-0
    22 Baylor Big 12 16-4 4-2 3-1 9-1 0-0
    23 Colorado Pac-12 14-5 5-3 3-1 6-1 0-0
    24 San Diego West Coast 14-4 5-1 3-1 6-2 0-0
    25 Louisville Atlantic Coast 13-5 3-3 2-1 8-1 0-0
    26 Cal Poly Big West 17-2 8-2 7-0 2-0 0-0
    • BYU is the only 1-loss team not in the top 5. Heck, they're not even in the top 15.
    • BYU has defeated two teams currently in the top 25.
    • BYU has defeated three ranked teams at the time of playing, two are still in the top 25.
    • BYU defeated Utah, at Utah. Utah is currently ranked 10, with 3 losses.
    • BYU's only loss is to a team in the current top 25.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
    Unfortunately, the BYU women are getting snubbed by the computers in RPI. Consider the current RPI rankings:


    • BYU is the only 1-loss team not in the top 5. Heck, they're not even in the top 15.
    • BYU has defeated two teams currently in the top 25.
    • BYU has defeated three ranked teams at the time of playing, two are still in the top 25.
    • BYU defeated Utah, at Utah. Utah is currently ranked 10, with 3 losses.
    • BYU's only loss is to a team in the current top 25.
    Obviously, RPI is stupid (but will matter), and it's just as stupid for volleyball as it is for other sports (basketball). I won't rehash why it's so stupid. I did a simple statistical model (margin of victory is done by the set margin not the point margin as one would do in football) and BYU is basically 6-10 range depending on how you handle a few things in the model .

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    Obviously, RPI is stupid (but will matter), and it's just as stupid for volleyball as it is for other sports (basketball). I won't rehash why it's so stupid. I did a simple statistical model (margin of victory is done by the set margin not the point margin as one would do in football) and BYU is basically 6-10 range depending on how you handle a few things in the model .
    Any word on the injury you mentioned that occurred in the Portland match?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Any word on the injury you mentioned that occurred in the Portland match?
    No. She was on the sideline during Gonzaga match and was walking around and or standing during parts of the match. Had a brace on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    Obviously, RPI is stupid (but will matter), and it's just as stupid for volleyball as it is for other sports (basketball). I won't rehash why it's so stupid. I did a simple statistical model (margin of victory is done by the set margin not the point margin as one would do in football) and BYU is basically 6-10 range depending on how you handle a few things in the model .
    I would also add that it hurts BYU that the WCC is down this year. It's normally a 3-5 bid league. It's often had 4 teams in the top-25 or near the top 25. It's actually a pretty good volleyball league. Obviously not as good as the Big 12, big 10, or the PAC 12. Still, BYU's usually not hurt by league play. This year is a problem. It's a two bid league.

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    Ballard's injury looked like an MCL injury to me. When she landed on her left foot, the knee buckled inward (I'll defer to the talents of hostile as to whether that actually means anything). I doubt it was a complete tear.

    I haven't watched the team play much since early in the season, but I watched the Portland and Gonzaga games, and I'm stoked about the two middle blockers we have stepping in for Boswell and Howard-Young/Young-Howard (can't remember which order).

    Jones-Perry was solid last year, but her ascent is meteoric. Miller struck the ball well last weekend. My daughter is Jonesing to go to a game soon, but we don't play east of Provo very often.
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    The women volleyballers are rolling along, whereas the women soccer team is not. I imagine the Pepperdine game was fun to watch, right?
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    Awesome comeback win against LMU from down 0-2. Way to go. #WVolleyballSchool

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCcoug View Post
    Awesome comeback win against LMU from down 0-2. Way to go. #WVolleyballSchool
    Don't really need the W in front of it; We can just be #VolleyballSchool (although the men's team is going to be a little down this year given who they lost).

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    Quote Originally Posted by pelagius View Post
    Don't really need the W in front of it; We can just be #VolleyballSchool (although the men's team is going to be a little down this year given who they lost).
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