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    Praise to the Man is one of those hymns that seems normal to lifelong Mormons — then if you bring a non-LDS person to church and they analyze those lyrics you know they have to think “Ok this is actually a violent cult that worships Joseph Smith.”

    Wonder if they could figure out a way to save it but get rid of the creepiest lyrics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    Praise to the Man is one of those hymns that seems normal to lifelong Mormons ó then if you bring a non-LDS person to church and they analyze those lyrics you know they have to think ďOk this is actually a violent cult that worships Joseph Smith.Ē

    Wonder if they could figure out a way to save it but get rid of the creepiest lyrics.
    We sang that in sacrament once and the chorister had us stand up. The topic was Jospeh smith and the talks all focused on him. There was an entire family there investigating the church. They never came back, but to be honest, most investigators never come back. But it felt like a really weird sacrament meeting.
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    The survey also asks about primary songs. In my survey I said Follow the Prophet should be taken out of the primary songbook. I hope they keep He Sent His Son. That is my favorite.

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    In our lovely Deseret we will smoke a cigarette.

    Good times as a deacon. Trying to sing just loud enough from the front row deacon box so sister Schwantees could hear us and give us a piece of stink eye.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    Praise to the Man is one of those hymns that seems normal to lifelong Mormons — then if you bring a non-LDS person to church and they analyze those lyrics you know they have to think “Ok this is actually a violent cult that worships Joseph Smith.”

    Wonder if they could figure out a way to save it but get rid of the creepiest lyrics.
    It is all creepy lyrics and that is the logical conclusion of the lyrics of the song. I'm not saying the LDS church is a violent cult that worships Joseph Smith, just that it is the logical conclusion of that song.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfah View Post
    I hope Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing gets reinstated.
    Amen. Along with that, Amazing Grace, The Garden, and the original version of Away in a Manger. Nice additions with no chance in Hell would be The Old Rugged Cross, Softly and Tenderly, I'll Fly Away, and Rock of Ages. It's not a hymn, my favorite of all gospel songs is Why Me Lord. The folks at the nursing home sing along without missing a word every time it's played. That's saying something when you consider some of them don't even know their own family members.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flystripper View Post
    any guesses on which ones get the boot? does "If you could hie to Kolob" make it in?
    I don't think the Adam-God hymn will make it...

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    Rise, the ancient father greet.
    Bow, ye thousands, low before him;
    Minister before his feet.
    Hail the patriarchís glad reign,
    Spreading over sea and main.


    2. Sons of Michael, ítis his chariot
    Rolls its burning wheels along!
    Raise aloft your voices million
    In a torrent powír of song.
    Hail our head with music soft!
    Raise sweet melodies aloft!


    3. Mother of our generations,
    Glorious by great Michaelís side,
    Take thy childrenís adoration;
    Endless with thy seed abide.
    Lo! to greet thee now advance
    Thousands in the glorious dance!


    4. Raise a chorus, sons of Michael,
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    Thru rebounding space doth tell
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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    Praise to the Man is one of those hymns that seems normal to lifelong Mormons — then if you bring a non-LDS person to church and they analyze those lyrics you know they have to think “Ok this is actually a violent cult that worships Joseph Smith.”

    Wonder if they could figure out a way to save it but get rid of the creepiest lyrics.
    Agreed. It's a creepy song. I have never liked it.

    The hymn "Onward,Christian Soldiers" also needs to go. When we attended SacMtg at BYU Jerusalem some years ago, for some reason that song was selected as the opening hymn. Imagine sitting in the congregation looking out over the vista behind the chorister to see the golden Dome of the Rock and singing that song. Super awkward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Agreed. It's a creepy song. I have never liked it.

    The hymn "Onward,Christian Soldiers" also needs to go. When we attended SacMtg at BYU Jerusalem some years ago, for some reason that song was selected as the opening hymn. Imagine sitting in the congregation looking out over the vista behind the chorister to see the golden Dome of the Rock and singing that song. Super awkward.
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    whatever the closing hymn is
    Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.

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    My expectation is that any hymns that require a licensing agreement will be out. How Great Thou Art & Because I Have Been Given Much are two that will be axed, although they should be kept. They will be replaced by member-generated hymns for which the Church will be granted a "nonexclusive, perpetual license for unlimited use."

    After being hacked up in the 1985 hymnal, "Up Awake Ye Defenders of Zion" will be eliminated altogether.

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    If those two are taken out, there will be much grumbling and dissension. HGTA is my favorite hymn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    If those two are taken out, there will be much grumbling and dissension. HGTA is my favorite hymn.
    Not a fan. I think it leads to too much over-singing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Not a fan. I think it leads to too much over-singing.
    Yep. I donít like it for that and other reasons. I hope it gets the ax.

    Anyone know where Copelius is? I havenít seen him chime in on this. I hope heís writing the next great song of the restoration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian View Post
    In our lovely Deseret we will smoke a cigarette.

    Good times as a deacon. Trying to sing just loud enough from the front row deacon box so sister Schwantees could hear us and give us a piece of stink eye.
    HA! We used to sing, "In our lovely Deseret you look just like Bobafet."

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    I was in Primary last year as the kids were learning this relatively new song. Yeah - I can see some being less than fans at the parental role verses. But over the course of 3 weeks I was in there that they were learning this song, I'd tear up every time they sang the first verse and chorus. Every. Time.

    The Family is of God


    1. Our Father has a family. It’s me!
    It’s you, all others too: we are His children.
    He sent each one of us to earth, through birth,
    To live and learn here in fam’lies.

    [Chorus]

    God gave us families to help us become what He wants us to be—
    This is how He shares His love, for the fam’ly is of God.

    2. A father’s place is to preside, provide,
    To love and teach the gospel to his children.
    A father leads in fam’ly prayer to share
    Their love for Father in Heaven.

    [Chorus]

    God gave us families to help us become what He wants us to be—
    This is how He shares His love, for the fam’ly is of God.

    3. A mother’s purpose is to care, prepare,
    To nurture and to strengthen all her children.
    She teaches children to obey, to pray,
    To love and serve in the fam’ly.

    [Chorus]

    God gave us families to help us become what He wants us to be—
    This is how He shares His love, for the fam’ly is of God.

    4. I’ll love and serve my family and be
    A good example to each fam’ly member.
    And when I am a mom or dad, so glad,
    I’ll help my fam’ly remember:

    [Chorus]

    God gave us families to help us become what He wants us to be—
    This is how He shares His love, for the fam’ly is of God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Not a fan. I think it leads to too much over-singing.
    That's just a natural result of my soul singing.
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    Bro Hymn - because friends
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    I was in Primary last year as the kids were learning this relatively new song. Yeah - I can see some being less than fans at the parental role verses. But over the course of 3 weeks I was in there that they were learning this song, I'd tear up every time they sang the first verse and chorus. Every. Time.

    The Family is of God


    1. Our Father has a family. It’s me!
    It’s you, all others too: we are His children.
    He sent each one of us to earth, through birth,
    To live and learn here in fam’lies.

    [Chorus]

    God gave us families to help us become what He wants us to be—
    This is how He shares His love, for the fam’ly is of God.

    2. A father’s place is to preside, provide,
    To love and teach the gospel to his children.
    A father leads in fam’ly prayer to share
    Their love for Father in Heaven.

    [Chorus]

    God gave us families to help us become what He wants us to be—
    This is how He shares His love, for the fam’ly is of God.

    3. A mother’s purpose is to care, prepare,
    To nurture and to strengthen all her children.
    She teaches children to obey, to pray,
    To love and serve in the fam’ly.

    [Chorus]

    God gave us families to help us become what He wants us to be—
    This is how He shares His love, for the fam’ly is of God.

    4. I’ll love and serve my family and be
    A good example to each fam’ly member.
    And when I am a mom or dad, so glad,
    I’ll help my fam’ly remember:

    [Chorus]

    God gave us families to help us become what He wants us to be—
    This is how He shares His love, for the fam’ly is of God.
    That song is horrible. That one definitely shouldn't be in the children's songbook.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LVAllen View Post
    My expectation is that any hymns that require a licensing agreement will be out. How Great Thou Art & Because I Have Been Given Much are two that will be axed, although they should be kept. They will be replaced by member-generated hymns for which the Church will be granted a "nonexclusive, perpetual license for unlimited use."

    After being hacked up in the 1985 hymnal, "Up Awake Ye Defenders of Zion" will be eliminated altogether.
    This whole project will be worth it if we can get rid of "Because I Have Been Given Much". I am in many ways not a traditional believer, but I have never received as negative reaction from a comment as I did when, during my last Sacrament Meeting talk, I expressed my disdain for that song. I have not been asked to speak since.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    I was in Primary last year as the kids were learning this relatively new song. Yeah - I can see some being less than fans at the parental role verses. But over the course of 3 weeks I was in there that they were learning this song, I'd tear up every time they sang the first verse and chorus. Every. Time.

    The Family is of God


    1. Our Father has a family. Itís me!
    Itís you, all others too: we are His children.
    He sent each one of us to earth, through birth,
    To live and learn here in famílies.

    [Chorus]

    God gave us families to help us become what He wants us to beó
    This is how He shares His love, for the famíly is of God.

    2. A fatherís place is to preside, provide,
    To love and teach the gospel to his children.
    A father leads in famíly prayer to share
    Their love for Father in Heaven.

    [Chorus]

    God gave us families to help us become what He wants us to beó
    This is how He shares His love, for the famíly is of God.

    3. A motherís purpose is to care, prepare,
    To nurture and to strengthen all her children.
    She teaches children to obey, to pray,
    To love and serve in the famíly.

    [Chorus]

    God gave us families to help us become what He wants us to beó
    This is how He shares His love, for the famíly is of God.

    4. Iíll love and serve my family and be
    A good example to each famíly member.
    And when I am a mom or dad, so glad,
    Iíll help my famíly remember:

    [Chorus]

    God gave us families to help us become what He wants us to beó
    This is how He shares His love, for the famíly is of God.
    Every year the Primary Program includes one song not in the Primary Songbook. The year that this one was included (2014), I taught them the first and last verses and omitted the middle ones. I am not a fan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark Addison View Post
    This whole project will be worth it if we can get rid of "Because I Have Been Given Much". I am in many ways not a traditional believer, but I have never received as negative reaction from a comment as I did when, during my last Sacrament Meeting talk, I expressed my disdain for that song. I have not been asked to speak since.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Dude what is wrong with you?
    Well, we don't want to open that can of worms, but as far as BIHBGM, I have a dislike for most "Unison" songs. I like to sing the harmony! And I am not good enough to make up my own!

    I didn't really remember why I ripped on it, so I just went at looked at my talk (October 2015 FTR), and much of the talk was about music, and relating it to life and the gospel. As an aside, I also talked about the recording of Dylan's "Like a Rolling Stone" and Al Kooper's Hammond Organ part on it. So at one point, I said that I generally found unison songs uninteresting, specifying BIHBGM, and talked about how the same was true at church. I like it when people are not all singing the same part.

    So the reaction I got was maybe 25% "Cool story about "Like a Rolling Stone" and 75% "How could you not like 'Because I Have Been Given Much?????'" Two and a half years later, I haven't been asked to speak again.

    OK, there may be some other reasons for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark Addison View Post
    Well, we don't want to open that can of worms, but as far as BIHBGM, I have a dislike for most "Unison" songs. I like to sing the harmony! And I am not good enough to make up my own!

    I didn't really remember why I ripped on it, so I just went at looked at my talk (October 2015 FTR), and much of the talk was about music, and relating it to life and the gospel. As an aside, I also talked about the recording of Dylan's "Like a Rolling Stone" and Al Kooper's Hammond Organ part on it. So at one point, I said that I generally found unison songs uninteresting, specifying BIHBGM, and talked about how the same was true at church. I like it when people are not all singing the same part.

    So the reaction I got was maybe 25% "Cool story about "Like a Rolling Stone" and 75% "How could you not like 'Because I Have Been Given Much?????'" Two and a half years later, I haven't been asked to speak again.

    OK, there may be some other reasons for that.
    Wouldn't read much into that. I haven't been asked to give a SM talk for several years. I am, unfortunately, scheduled for one this Sunday. The assigned topic is "Christ-like service." Not sure yet how I'm going to sneak Dylan into that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    Wouldn't read much into that. I haven't been asked to give a SM talk for several years. I am, unfortunately, scheduled for one this Sunday. The assigned topic is "Christ-like service." Not sure yet how I'm going to sneak Dylan into that.
    The Al Kooper story is one of my favorites. It would be perfect! I've heard/read it a few places. Basic story is:
    • Al wants to play on the album, so he gets there early and starts playing guitar
    • Mike Bloomfield shows up with his guitar, plays a bit, and Al realizes he is no match for this guy
    • He goes into the control room and sulks for a while
    • He notices a Hammond organ that no one is playing, so he goes over and starts playing on it, just improvising a part, even though he doesn't even know how to turn it on
    • The producer tells him to stop, but Dylan basically says "No, I like the organ, turn it up"
    • The organ part becomes one of the iconic parts of one of the greatest songs ever


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    Quote Originally Posted by Flystripper View Post
    Bro Hymn - because friends
    The Jason Thirsk tribute version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Not a fan. I think it leads to too much over-singing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Yep. I don’t like it for that and other reasons. I hope it gets the ax.

    Anyone know where Copelius is? I haven’t seen him chime in on this. I hope he’s writing the next great song of the restoration.
    It's a beautiful hymn both musically and lyrically, don't let other people ruin it for you. Stop listening to people sing and start reading the words and listening to the tune. Also, you need a little southern gospel in your soul. jmo

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    Dude what is wrong with you?
    Right? I think CA got a little too close to a nuclear plant and turned commie atheist somewhere along the line. Clark, have you ever blacked out and woke up later with your clothes torn to shreds? Asking for a friend, don't get mad at me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    It's a beautiful hymn both musically and lyrically, don't let other people ruin it for you. Stop listening to people sing and start reading the words and listening to the tune. Also, you need a little southern gospel in your soul. jmo
    Don't like the tune either. Also, its too slow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    Right? I think CA got a little too close to a nuclear plant and turned commie atheist somewhere along the line. Clark, have you ever blacked out and woke up later with your clothes torn to shreds? Asking for a friend, don't get mad at me.
    Ironic! If anything, that song is a commie. "Because I have been given much I too MUST give"???? Frankly, I think the hymn would be much more in line with the gospel if it were "Because I have been given much I also have the option to give or not"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark Addison View Post
    Ironic! If anything, that song is a commie. "Because I have been given much I too MUST give"???? Frankly, I think the hymn would be much more in line with the gospel if it were "Because I have been given much I also have the option to give or not"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clark Addison View Post
    Well, we don't want to open that can of worms, but as far as BIHBGM, I have a dislike for most "Unison" songs. I like to sing the harmony! And I am not good enough to make up my own!
    Stand your ground Clark. I agree with you. Not a fan of BIHBGM.

    You like harmony? Then you probably love the best gosh dang hymn in the book (outside of the Christmas songs), which is... Truth Reflects Upon Our Senses! If TRUOS doesn't make the cut, then I'm out!
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