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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    Yep. But it isn’t necessarily irresponsible or unethical. You can’t say the same for someone parroting what Alex Jones says.
    I think it is a bit unethical. If it's on the news people expect that it's been vetted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    I’m sure CNN would have spent all day on an “uncorroborated” story about Obama doing something illegal, right?

    It will be a great day if/when Trump is impeached but CNN has lost their minds and waived all journalistic values when it comes to Trump.
    FOX reported it as well. Blame the Internet with all of these fly-by-night news sites. The networks are concerned they will miss something and/or be late to the story.

    I don't think we've seen the end to this particular story. Look at what Rudy is saying today about Dump talking to Cohen before Cohen testified.

    Put a "D" beside Trump and FOX would have been all over this. Look what they did with that Obama birth certificate story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    It will be a great day if/when Trump is impeached but CNN has lost their minds and waived all journalistic values when it comes to Trump.
    e.g., CNN reporter advocates violence on children...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    e.g., CNN reporter advocates violence on children...

    Well, technically, all he wrote was that the kid had a punchable face (how can one watch the video and disagree with that assessment?); he didn't say one should actually do anything about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    I don't think we've seen the end to this particular story. Look at what Rudy is saying today about Dump talking to Cohen before Cohen testified.
    I agree. It may be that Trump didn't coach Cohen or encourage him to lie, but the statement from the special counsel's office was phrased very carefully (as if by accomplished trial and appellate attorneys!) and was not a categorical denial or refutation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    I think it is a bit unethical. If it's on the news people expect that it's been vetted.

    If the media never discussed stories that were reported by others because they were challenged or dismissed by government spokespeople, we would miss out on a lot. The net result would not be good.

    It's also funny that Trump suddenly finds evil Mueller credible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    I’m sure CNN would have spent all day on an “uncorroborated” story about Obama doing something illegal, right?

    CNN has lost their minds and waived all journalistic values when it comes to Trump.
    The New York Times broke the Hillary E-mail story. CNN would not pass up reporting on Obama or any POTUS doing something illegal. You're honestly sounding a lot like Trump when you talk about CNN. Not a lot of examples, just speaking in hyperbole and absolutes.

    Again, about CNN's journalistic ethics, do have some actual examples of this? If it so frequent and egregious it should be easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    Well, technically, all he wrote was that the kid had a punchable face (how can one watch the video and disagree with that assessment?); he didn't say one should actually do anything about it.
    Yes, very punchable. And I promise Mexico will pay for the puncher's defense.

    And how crazy that ut is turning this around to someone attacking truly horrible behavior. I saw some Repub Senator interviewed this morning and he couldn't bring himself to condemn this, but noted that the punchable kid remained silent and didn't saying anything hateful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    Well, technically, all he wrote was that the kid had a punchable face (how can one watch the video and disagree with that assessment?); he didn't say one should actually do anything about it.
    Yep... well within CNN's journalistic values.

    How can one watch the video and disagree? Maybe by watching the entire video?

    The Media Wildly Mischaracterized That Video of Covington Catholic Students Confronting a Native American Veteran

    Partial video footage of students from a Catholic high school allegedly harassing a Native American veteran after the anti-abortion March for Life rally in Washington, D.C., on Saturday quickly went viral, provoking widespread condemnation of the kids on social media. Various media figures and Twitter users called for them to be doxed, shamed, or otherwise punished, and school administrators said they would consider expulsion.


    But the rest of the video—nearly two hours of additional footage showing what happened before and after the encounter—adds important context that strongly contradicts the media's narrative.


    Far from engaging in racially motivated harassment, the group of mostly white, MAGA-hat-wearing male teenagers remained relatively calm and restrained despite being subjected to incessant racist, homophobic, and bigoted verbal abuse by members of the bizarre religious sect Black Hebrew Israelites, who were lurking nearby. The BHI has existed since the late 19th century, and is best describes as a black nationalist cult movement; its members believe they are descendants of the ancient Israelites, and often express condemnation of white people, Christians, and gays. DC-area Black Hebrews are known to spout particularly vile bigotry.

    Phillips put himself between the teens and the black nationalists, chanting and drumming as he marched straight into the middle of the group of young people. What followed was several minutes of confusion: The teens couldn't quite decide whether Phillips was on their side or not, but tentatively joined in his chanting. It's not at all clear this was intended as an act of mockery rather than solidarity.

    One student did not get out of Phillips way as he marched, and gave the man a hard stare and a smile that many have described as creepy. This moment received the most media coverage: The teen has been called the product of a "hate factory" and likened to a school shooter, segregation-era racist, and member of the Ku Klux Klan. I have no idea what he was thinking, but portraying this as an example of obvious, racially-motivated hate is a stretch. Maybe he simply had no idea why this man was drumming in his face, and couldn't quite figure out the best response? It bears repeating that Phillips approached him, not the other way around.


    And that's all there is to it. Phillips walked away after several minutes, the Black Hebrew Israelites continued to insult the crowd, and nothing else happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    I agree. It may be that Trump didn't coach Cohen or encourage him to lie, but the statement from the special counsel's office was phrased very carefully (as if by accomplished trial and appellate attorneys!) and was not a categorical denial or refutation.
    I quoted this piece of a WaPo article in an earlier post of mine:


    In fact, what it didn’t say was important, too. It didn’t say Mueller had no evidence that Trump had sought to influence Cohen — just that BuzzFeed’s description of such statements was inaccurate. Nor did it spell out which reported statements were inaccurate and in what way. Further, it offered no details about how BuzzFeed had mischaracterized any evidence that Mueller has collected
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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    Yes, very punchable. And I promise Mexico will pay for the puncher's defense.

    And how crazy that ut is turning this around to someone attacking truly horrible behavior. I saw some Repub Senator interviewed this morning and he couldn't bring himself to condemn this, but noted that the punchable kid remained silent and didn't saying anything hateful.
    Being 1/32nd native american I side with what this guy beating the drum is saying... "You white people go back to Europe, this is not your land"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Yep... well within CNN's journalistic values.

    How can one watch the video and disagree? Maybe by watching the entire video?


    https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/20/c...phillips-video
    Not sure what point you're trying to make here, unless you're simply agreeing with the "many" (per your cited article) that the kid's hard stare and and small were creepy (i,e., punchable). And note that the Native American (perhaps your relative!) had nothing to do with the offensive BHI group but the kid was apparently too stupid to figure that out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    Not sure what point you're trying to make here, unless you're simply agreeing with the "many" (per your cited article) that the kid's hard stare and and small were creepy (i,e., punchable). And note that the Native American (perhaps your relative!) had nothing to do with the offensive BHI group but the kid was apparently too stupid to figure that out.
    He is just a dumb kid... but the "adult" CNN reporter advocates violence on children. Apparently you agree that the crazy liberals should track down these kids and beat the sh*t out of them (or at least shame the hell out of them)... As Frank would say: stay classy CNN.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Yep... well within CNN's journalistic values.

    How can one watch the video and disagree? Maybe by watching the entire video?


    https://reason.com/blog/2019/01/20/c...phillips-video
    I watched that entire video Ted, did you? It doesn’t let those kids off the hook. The tomahawk chop in the faces of Native Americans conducting rituals and chanting is classy, and it doesn’t have a thing to do with that small group of Black Israelites. That kid’s smirk as he blocked Phillips and stood inches from him is creepy. The full length video doesn’t change that fact.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    Not sure what point you're trying to make here, unless you're simply agreeing with the "many" (per your cited article) that the kid's hard stare and and small were creepy (i,e., punchable). And note that the Native American (perhaps your relative!) had nothing to do with the offensive BHI group but the kid was apparently too stupid to figure that out.


    What did the kid do wrong? He’s a teenager in a situation set up by activist adults with dozens of cameras on him. It’s despicable that he was in that situation. The Native American was obviously looking to get a response and he stood there beating his drum in the kids face for a long time.

    This whole situation is disgusting from top to bottom, but mostly because it was a setup for the call out and shame culture that exists. And both sides are to blame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    He is just a dumb kid... but the "adult" CNN reporter advocates violence on children. Apparently you agree that the crazy liberals should track down these kids and beat the sh*t out of them (or at least shame the hell out of them)... As Frank would say: stay classy CNN.


    Who is tracking down who and beating the shit out of them?

    Reza is a CNN reporter the same way Sean Hannity is a Fox Reporter. Saying the kid had a punchable face isn’t nice but it doesn’t stoop to the level that others did when they spoke about the Parkland students.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Who is tracking down who and beating the shit out of them?

    Reza is a CNN reporter the same way Sean Hannity is a Fox Reporter. Saying the kid had a punchable face isn’t nice but it doesn’t stoop to the level that others did when they spoke about the Parkland students.
    OMG! Does Sean Hannity eat human brains too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post


    What did the kid do wrong? He’s a teenager in a situation set up by activist adults with dozens of cameras on him. It’s despicable that he was in that situation. The Native American was obviously looking to get a response and he stood there beating his drum in the kids face for a long time.

    This whole situation is disgusting from top to bottom, but mostly because it was a setup for the call out and shame culture that exists. And both sides are to blame.
    You didn't notice? HE WAS WEARING A MAGA HAT!!!

    MEGA hats are poisoning young minds!...

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Who is tracking down who and beating the shit out of them?

    Reza is a CNN reporter the same way Sean Hannity is a Fox Reporter. Saying the kid had a punchable face isn’t nice but it doesn’t stoop to the level that others did when they spoke about the Parkland students.
    Come on, frank. Saying that about a kid is indefensible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Come on, frank. Saying that about a kid is indefensible.
    Good thing I didn't say something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Wait a minute, Walter. You mean to tell me that the media sometimes makes mistakes and sometimes even acknowledges and apologizes for said mistakes?

    Mind. Blown.
    Please don't be frank-dumb. You are better than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Please don't be frank-dumb. You are better than that.

    https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/...prussia-story/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    If that’s being done in good faith, one would expect the errors would be roughly 50/50 in terms of the agenda served by the false stories.
    that is literally the dumbest thing i've read in maybe a week
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post


    What did the kid do wrong? He’s a teenager in a situation set up by activist adults with dozens of cameras on him. It’s despicable that he was in that situation. The Native American was obviously looking to get a response and he stood there beating his drum in the kids face for a long time.

    This whole situation is disgusting from top to bottom, but mostly because it was a setup for the call out and shame culture that exists. And both sides are to blame.
    lol

    your hyperbole is awesome
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    The smirking kid provides a well-crafted response to those who have ripped on him. He should have just walked away but he wasn't looking for a confrontation.

    I believed that by remaining motionless and calm, I was helping to diffuse the situation. I realized everyone had cameras and that perhaps a group of adults was trying to provoke a group of teenagers into a larger conflict. I said a silent prayer that the situation would not get out of hand....

    I was not intentionally making faces at the protestor. I did smile at one point because I wanted him to know that I was not going to become angry, intimidated or be provoked into a larger confrontation. I am a faithful Christian and practicing Catholic, and I always try to live up to the ideals my faith teaches me -- to remain respectful of others, and to take no action that would lead to conflict or violence.
    I think he may be little disingenuous, but he's undeserving of the grief the national press have heaped upon him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post

    I think he may be little disingenuous, but he's undeserving of the grief the national press have heaped upon him.
    Partisans went nuts on those kids and it got really crazy really fast. Talking about punching him in the face and whatnot. While I can't stand the 'fake news' constantly pushed out by Trump as a response to any critical news, this past week has shown an underlying weakness in our media that makes it susceptible to that claim. I have no idea what the solution is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    The smirking kid provides a well-crafted response to those who have ripped on him. He should have just walked away but he wasn't looking for a confrontation.



    I think he may be little disingenuous, but he's undeserving of the grief the national press have heaped upon him.
    That’s a pretty well-written response.

    I can’t wait until Trump exploit this and invites the kids for some non fast food at the WH, furthering dividing the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    Partisans went nuts on those kids and it got really crazy really fast. Talking about punching him in the face and whatnot. While I can't stand the 'fake news' constantly pushed out by Trump as a response to any critical news, this past week has shown an underlying weakness in our media that makes it susceptible to that claim. I have no idea what the solution is.
    Part of the problem is the American public no longer understands or makes an effort to separate hard news from pundit shows, talk radio, blogs and now twitter posts. Some of that fault lies with the media companies who in an effort to keep their audience tried to engage them in new ways. The old dinosaurs stilll do it best and have standards, with editors and fact-checkers. How often do we hear talk show hosts issues corrections or retractions? How about bloggers or people in the twittersphere?

    There are fewer newspapers around, fewer professional reporters and fewer news bureaus. That’s also a problem.

    The American news diet is poor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    That’s a pretty well-written response.

    I can’t wait until Trump exploit this and invites the kids for some non fast food at the WH, furthering dividing the country.
    Trump exploits divisions he doesn't cause them. Entrenched attitudes are the cause.
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