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"President Donald Trump repeatedly pushed for Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, and his son, Hunter, during a July 25 phone call, according to a transcript of the conversation released by the White House.
Trump also asked the Ukrainian leader to work with his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and US Attorney General William Barr on the issue, the call transcript reveals."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/polit...ipt/index.html
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Let's assume that Trump is impeached, which even right-leaning legal pundits are thinking is justified if the evidence is what it appears. What next? No way he resigns, and I think it only slightly more likely the Senate removes him. If he runs again, does this make him more or less likely to win in 2020? Clinton appeared to emerge unscathed, and his impeachment gave the GOP a black eye. I realize the accusation was different, but Democrats have clearly been gunning for Trump since he took office, so I'm not sure that even a justifiable impeachment would keep them from looking bad in the eyes of much of the public.
It all just sucks. It sucks that we have an egomaniac in office. It sucks that our primary system brings out the crazy in both parties so there's never any good choice. It sucks that our republic has been made a mockery of by the people sworn to protect it. I hate politics and the incentives it creates.sigpic
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Originally posted by BlueK View Post"President Donald Trump repeatedly pushed for Ukrainian President Volodymr Zelensky to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, and his son, Hunter, during a July 25 phone call, according to a transcript of the conversation released by the White House.
Trump also asked the Ukrainian leader to work with his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, and US Attorney General William Barr on the issue, the call transcript reveals."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/polit...ipt/index.html
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Originally posted by cowboy View PostIt all just sucks. It sucks that we have an egomaniac in office. It sucks that our primary system brings out the crazy in both parties so there's never any good choice. It sucks that our republic has been made a mockery of by the people sworn to protect it. I hate politics and the incentives it creates.
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Originally posted by imanihonjin View PostI agree with you, that asking a foreign government to investigate a political rival is bad. I do wonder, though, if you had similar outrage over allegations related to the previous administration using our own government to spy on political rivals."...you pointy-headed autopsy nerd. Do you think it's possible for you to post without using words like "hilarious," "absurd," "canard," and "truther"? Your bare assertions do not make it so. Maybe your reasoning is too stunted and your vocabulary is too limited to go without these epithets."
"You are an intemperate, unscientific poster who makes light of very serious matters.”
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Originally posted by imanihonjin View PostSo the rhetoric has already changed from "pressured" to "pushed." Interesting.
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Originally posted by cowboy View PostLet's assume that Trump is impeached, which even right-leaning legal pundits are thinking is justified if the evidence is what it appears. What next? No way he resigns, and I think it only slightly more likely the Senate removes him. If he runs again, does this make him more or less likely to win in 2020? Clinton appeared to emerge unscathed, and his impeachment gave the GOP a black eye. I realize the accusation was different, but Democrats have clearly been gunning for Trump since he took office, so I'm not sure that even a justifiable impeachment would keep them from looking bad in the eyes of much of the public.
It all just sucks. It sucks that we have an egomaniac in office. It sucks that our primary system brings out the crazy in both parties so there's never any good choice. It sucks that our republic has been made a mockery of by the people sworn to protect it. I hate politics and the incentives it creates.Last edited by BlueK; 09-25-2019, 08:57 AM.
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Originally posted by wapiti View PostThe memorandum from the call is out. Trump mentioned it one time in the call. Doesn't sound like "repeatedly pushed" is quite accurate. But what would we expect coming from CNN?
There is no evidence of wrongdoing by either Joe or Hunter Biden.Last edited by Uncle Ted; 09-25-2019, 08:45 AM."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by wapiti View PostThe memorandum from the call is out. Trump mentioned it one time in the call. Doesn't sound like "repeatedly pushed" is quite accurate. But what would we expect coming from CNN?
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"I said this in my first reaction, which is if the president of the United States asks or presses the leader of a foreign country to carry out an investigation of a political nature that's troubling. And I feel that," Romney said.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...2424ce84215b5e
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Originally posted by BigPiney View PostAfter he mentioned it, he reiterated twice that he would have Rudy call about it. May not be pushed but it was repeated. It wasn't just once.
BTW, I would like to get paid $50,000/mo to fly to Ukraine on Air Force Two. I think I am just as qualified as Hunter Biden. Where do I sign up?
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Last edited by Uncle Ted; 09-25-2019, 09:13 AM."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by BlueK View Post"I said this in my first reaction, which is if the president of the United States asks or presses the leader of a foreign country to carry out an investigation of a political nature that's troubling. And I feel that," Romney said.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-ne...2424ce84215b5e"If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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LOL@the Dumb Dems...
[read the entire thread of tweets]
Of course, Drumpf is just doing them a favor by getting rid of Biden. He is like the worst of the Dem candidates."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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