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Originally posted by Moliere View PostNot to offend anyone on this board, but we are all about as equally qualified as Whoopi and the other Ladies on that show to discuss foreign policy and troop withdrawals.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by Pelado View PostLet's bring them home, too.
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Originally posted by Katy Lied View PostI know we shouldnt have to police the world. But we made promises to the kurds, and they faced danger on our behalf. It was fricken 1035 soldiers, we have 55K in Japan and 35K in Germany. Why couldn't we have reduced Japan and Germany by 500 each?Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
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Originally posted by Katy Lied View PostI know we shouldnt have to police the world. But we made promises to the kurds, and they faced danger on our behalf. It was fricken 1035 soldiers, we have 55K in Japan and 35K in Germany. Why couldn't we have reduced Japan and Germany by 500 each?"If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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This really isn't about isolationism as a foreign policy, nor is it about general retrenchment. It is about a specific example of an incredibly poor tactical choice that has zero apparent benefit to the United States and has a very predictable and bloody result for the Kurds, a reshuffling of alliances that undermines our strategic position in the theater, an expansion of Russian influence, the undermining of Israeli security, and results in greatly diminished USA credibility on the ground where real alliances are born and built, for years, both in the middle east and everywhere.
There have been so many apparent poor choices during Trump's administration. But they can usually be explained or have some ambiguous purpose, etc. Not this one. Zero ambiguity. Zero benefit. Zero strategic or tactical value. It is the fruit of either unimaginable corruption or complete incompetence. I tend to think it is the latter, but it is so incomprehensibly foolish that I would not be shocked if it were the former.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by Uncle Ted View PostWhat? Why do we have 55K in Japan and 25K in Germany? How about we reduce them down to 50 each? Apparently that was more than enough to keep all of Turkey from invading Syria.Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.
"The only one of us who is so significant that Jeff owes us something simply because he decided to grace us with his presence is falafel." -- All-American
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by creekster View PostThis really isn't about isolationism as a foreign policy, nor is it about general retrenchment. It is about a specific example of an incredibly poor tactical choice that has zero apparent benefit to the United States and has a very predictable and bloody result for the Kurds, a reshuffling of alliances that undermines our strategic position in the theater, an expansion of Russian influence, the undermining of Israeli security, and results in greatly diminished USA credibility on the ground where real alliances are born and built, for years, both in the middle east and everywhere.
There have been so many apparent poor choices during Trump's administration. But they can usually be explained or have some ambiguous purpose, etc. Not this one. Zero ambiguity. Zero benefit. Zero strategic or tactical value. It is the fruit of either unimaginable corruption or complete incompetence. I tend to think it is the latter, but it is so incomprehensibly foolish that I would not be shocked if it were the former."If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by creekster View PostThere have been so many apparent poor choices during Trump's administration. But they can usually be explained or have some ambiguous purpose, etc. Not this one. Zero ambiguity. Zero benefit. Zero strategic or tactical value. It is the fruit of either unimaginable corruption or complete incompetence. I tend to think it is the latter, but it is so incomprehensibly foolish that I would not be shocked if it were the former.
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Originally posted by myboynoah View PostYep. And a very efficient, effective way to maintain a presence in the region and stave off the type of thing that is happening right now.
Trump cares more about what authoritarian/nationalist/fascist leaders think than our own allies. Truly shameful to support that guy.
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Originally posted by Uncle Ted View PostI thought Rand Paul said the Turks were coming no matter what to flight with this tribe of Kurds because they claimed their were "terrorists"? (Apparently using the keyword "terrorist" is the way around of getting approval first. Ask Obama. That is how he got us into Syria in the first place without congress' approval.) So if they Turks were coming no matter why it seems that we had two choices: (1) Move our boys out of harms way. or (2) Carpet bomb our NATO "ally".
Maybe they would have. But when? And under what circumstances? And what sort of prep could we have had or could the Kurds have had? Could we have acted to preserve the alliance and avoid consolidation of the Kurdish forces under the PKK banner? Could we have avoided Russian influence increasing and undermined credibility? All of these things? Yes, it was all possible. But not in the way it was handled. Have you read reports of the phone cal between Trump and Erdogan on the Sunday morning before he announced this policy via twitter? Shameful.
Your fascination with how we got into Syria in the first place and your false dichotomy of leaving or carpet bombing are a bit silly. They are both irrelevant to the analysis of Trump's decision.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by chrisrenrut View PostThe timing of the decision, at the height of impeachment talks for his Ukraine call, tells me there was a purpose. It seems like anytime he is under pressure, he does something out of left field that changes the dialogue and distracts from the issue applying said pressure.
Also, reports of the phone call suggest he was just wildly unprepared and was rolled by Erdogan.Last edited by creekster; 10-14-2019, 03:45 PM.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by creekster View PostWell, if Rand Paul said it ....
Maybe they would have. But when? And under what circumstances? And what sort of prep could we have had or could the Kurds have had? Could we have acted to preserve the alliance and avoid consolidation of the Kurdish forces under the PKK banner? Could we have avoided Russian influence increasing and undermined credibility? All of these things? Yes, it was all possible. But not in the way it was handled. Have you read reports of the phone cal between Trump and Erdogan on the Sunday morning before he announced this policy via twitter? Shameful.
Your fascination with how we got into Syria in the first place and your false dichotomy of leaving or carpet bombing are a bit silly. They are both irrelevant to the analysis of Trump's decision.
Paul sits on the foreign relations committee so I assume he knows what he is talking about. He said, "Turkey was coming in one way or another and 50 solders would just be in the way, being a tripwire to a much worse outcome.""If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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Originally posted by Uncle Ted View PostSee http://www.cougarstadium.com/showthr...=1#post1431891
Paul sits on the foreign relations committee so I assume he knows what he is talking about. He said, "Turkey was coming in one way or another and 50 solders would just be in the way, being a tripwire to a much worse outcome."PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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"If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
"I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
"Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!
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