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    But more to the point, since Warren's single payor plan came out her poll numbers have sunk, Trump has increased in swing states, and the impeachment proceedings have lost support in the polls. She is not helping the anti-Trump movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Because I'm citing and linking Vanity Fair and the New York Times? Looks like you like many others have found a new religion. Not thinking or reading becomes a lifelong habit.
    Of all the shit that came out over these past weeks that is what you're focused on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
    Of all the shit that came out over these past weeks that is what you're focused on?
    Duh. Why would he bring up all the stuff that would make him look bad? He's got a smug retort in his back pocket to uphold!
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    Quote Originally Posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
    Of all the shit that came out over these past weeks that is what you're focused on?
    New Mexican Disaster is a perfect moniker for you! Losers love socialism. Never mind 100 million murdered by socialists in the 20th century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    New Mexican Disaster is a perfect moniker for you! Losers love socialism. Never mind 100 million murdered by socialists in the 20th century.
    Yeah, all socialism is the same. Good analysis. Tyranny is the common theme with murderous governments, but you have seized on this talking point and are squeezing it for all it is worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
    Yeah, all socialism is the same. Good analysis. Tyranny is the common theme with murderous governments, but you have seized on this talking point and are squeezing it for all it is worth.
    Not reading or thinking becomes a lifelong habit. Sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by New Mexican Disaster View Post
    Yeah, all socialism is the same. Good analysis. Tyranny is the common theme with murderous governments, but you have seized on this talking point and are squeezing it for all it is worth.
    So many Europeans are being killed by socialized healthcare. Our library systems have done untold damage to our country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    So many Europeans are being killed by socialized healthcare. Our library systems have done untold damage to our country.
    How many innocents could have been spared had we not had this damned network of publicly funded fire stations?
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    Not sure where to put this but this was a good read.

    While doing some googling of Mobsters after watching “The Irishman”, I came across this article from Jack Goldsmith. A seasoned lawyer who worked for the Justice Department for over 15 years which included the legality of FISA.

    But the bigger nugget is who he is connected too. He happened to be the stepson of “Chuckie O’Brien”. Who was the adopted son to Jimmy Hoffa.

    It is crazy to think a person 1-degree from connections to the Mob ended up doing what he did for the U.S. Government.

    This article goes into depth about his Stepfather but also how the government has run amok and continued to illegally surveil its citizens under stretching the need for NSA..

    And additional little nugget is how both James Comey and Robert Mueller threatened resignation at one point over the use of surveillance.

    Quote:

    My decision against parts of the program provoked a now-famous constitutional clash between the Justice Department and the White House—a clash that played out in part at the foot of then–Attorney General John Ashcroft’s bed in the intensive-care unit at George Washington University Hospital. President Bush initially decided to continue Stellarwind despite the Justice Department’s objections. But in the face of threatened resignations by then–Deputy Attorney General James Comey and then–FBI Director Robert Mueller, among others (myself included), he changed his mind and accepted the department’s proposed narrowing of the program.

    Good read. And if you have not see The Irishman. Fantastic movie!!


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    Cute how following the court ruling that rejected the administration's claim that the president and everyone who ever worked for him has absolute immunity from ever being called to testify before Congress, that Alan Dershowitz argued on Fox the other night that US presidents are far more powerful than kings and that the founders meant for it to be like that. That was in response to the judge stating that the president is not a king. So I guess Dershowitz is actually making the argument that the colonists must have fought King George because they wanted an even more powerful chief executive, and the 18th century monarchs they were familiar with weren't powerful enough. As an educated man he can't possibly believe that garbage. So why is he lying and what does he think he's getting from it?

    The same can be said about the recent moronic essay/speech from our attorney general about presidential power that actually argues that the colonists didn't really have a beef with King George. it was the British parliament they had a problem with. The slight problem there being that the Declaration of Independence attacks King G for dozens of paragraphs with no mentions of parliament. Even I have a hard time believing the Fox News audience is THAT dumb. But Dershowitz and Barr seem to think they are. We can all have policy disagreements, but the fact that these prominent educated individuals are brazenly arguing on national TV for something that is so easily rejected by basic history is troubling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Cute how following the court ruling that rejected the administration's claim that the president and everyone who ever worked for him has absolute immunity from ever being called to testify before Congress, that Alan Dershowitz argued on Fox the other night that US presidents are far more powerful than kings and that the founders meant for it to be like that. That was in response to the judge stating that the president is not a king. So I guess Dershowitz is actually making the argument that the colonists must have fought King George because they wanted an even more powerful chief executive, and monarchs weren't powerful enough. As an educated man he can't possibly believe that garbage.

    And going along with that is the recent moronic essay from our attorney general arguing that the colonists didn't really have a beef with King George. it was the British parliament they had a problem with. The slight problem there being that the Declaration of Independence attacks King G for dozens of paragraphs with no mentions of parliament. Even I have a hard time believing the Fox News audience is THAT dumb. But Dershowitz and Barr seem to think they are. We can all have policy disagreements, but the fact that these prominent educated individuals are brazenly arguing on national TV for something that is so easily rejected by basic history is troubling.
    Dershowitz is a creep. His association with Epstein is icky. Look up his op ed on statutory rape. He’s beholden to Trump for some reason. He also seems to make his living appearing in conversations print and televised media.

    Barr is in many ways worse than Trump. He should be an adult. His dishonesty is craven and dangerous to the republic. I guess that’s what to expect of the guy who worked to cover up IranContra.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Dershowitz is a creep. His association with Epstein is icky.
    Yes, association with Epstein is icky.



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    Hey, the report is out... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...nt-report.html

    Something tells me that Nancy is not going to get that bipartisan support she said she needed to have to be for impeachment.

    Where's the #FakeNews version of this report?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Hey, the report is out... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...nt-report.html

    Something tells me that Nancy is not going to get that bipartisan support she said she needed to have to be for impeachment.

    Where's the #FakeNews version of this report?
    Imagine if Obama had been found to be asking favors of foreign leaders to go after his political rival. Would the authors of the linked report have been similarly defensive of his actions and motivations?

    While what Trump did was unquestionably inappropriate from the the perspective of any neutral observer, I'd allow that reasonable minds may differ on the question of whether he should be removed from office. But a recent essay from David French (a conservative writer for The National Review with no love for the Dems) has me leaning toward removal (censure is the minimum penalty that should be imposed). One passage:

    No one should think there is any magic policy wand that will resolve America’s strategic challenges in Eastern Europe and restrain Russian action to our liking. Every course of action has its perils, but that’s exactly why we need a Commander-in-Chief who is intellectually engaged, strategic in this thinking, and motivated by the American national interest.

    Trump, by contrast, is ignorant, impulsive, vulnerable to conspiracy theories, and motivated by his own personal grievances and grudges. Crucially, he indulges these vices even when the stakes are very high. He was not holding up the opening of, say, a Consulate in Costa Rico for corrupt personal reasons. He was holding up the provision of weapons to an ally locked in a critical conflict with one of our primary geopolitical foes – a foe that we now know is growing in military power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Hey, the report is out... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...nt-report.html

    Something tells me that Nancy is not going to get that bipartisan support she said she needed to have to be for impeachment.

    Where's the #FakeNews version of this report?
    I skimmed through this. Poor Donald. Poor, poor Donald. Those dastardly Democrats are mean!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    Imagine if Obama had been found to be asking favors of foreign leaders to go after his political rival. Would the authors of the linked report have been similarly defensive of his actions and motivations?

    While what Trump did was unquestionably inappropriate from the the perspective of any neutral observer, I'd allow that reasonable minds may differ on the question of whether he should be removed from office. But a recent essay from David French (a conservative writer for The National Review with no love for the Dems) has me leaning toward removal (censure is the minimum penalty that should be imposed). One passage:
    Did French really misspell Costa Rica? Yikers.

    But not to deflect from the original point: what are we to do when a President asks a foreign power to provide assistance that will benefit that President in a U.S. election? The investigation showed it went much deeper that we'd thought, even in the face of obstruction by the White House. The President offered items of value for an announcement about an investigation (which announcement would benefit him politically). I don't know how the House can't take action. Let Senate Repubs do what they will do, but something needs to be done.

    Cue some UT links to articles from marginal "press" outlets about Hunter Biden's illegitimate children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    Did French really misspell Costa Rica? Yikers.

    But not to deflect from the original point: what are we to do when a President asks a foreign power to provide assistance that will benefit that President in a U.S. election? The investigation showed it went much deeper that we'd thought, even in the face of obstruction by the White House. The President offered items of value for an announcement about an investigation (which announcement would benefit him politically). I don't know how the House can't take action. Let Senate Repubs do what they will do, but something needs to be done.

    Cue some UT links to articles from marginal "press" outlets about Hunter Biden's illegitimate children.
    And crack addiction and lack of experience to be sitting on an energy company board!
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    Imagine if Obama had been found to be asking favors of foreign leaders to go after his political rival. Would the authors of the linked report have been similarly defensive of his actions and motivations?
    Hunter "The Crackhead" Biden is Drumpf's policial rival? I didn't know Hunter was running for president. Yes, his dad is but Joe keeps saying that he didn't know what his son was doing as a board member of the corrupt Ukrainian energy company. In fact, Joe says he didn't even know that his crackhead son was on the board of that company. Hunter and Joe are two different people. Joe made that clear. So where do you get that Drumpf was asking favors of foreign leaders to go after his political rival? Did the crackhead/whore chaser announce he is now running for president? Boy, the Dems are digging deep for candidates if that is the case.

    As for Obama, since you brought him up, he is connected to this FISA warrant thing based on a text from Lisa Page saying, "POTUS wants to know everything we’re doing.” When is that IG report coming out again? Monday? So apparently Obama was using the FBI to spy on Hillary's political rival to help her out... and she still lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Hunter "The Crackhead" Biden is Drumpf's policial rival? I didn't know Hunter was running for president. Yes, his dad is but Joe keeps saying that he didn't know what his son was doing as a board member of the corrupt Ukrainian energy company. In fact, Joe says he didn't even know that his crackhead son was on the board of that company. Hunter and Joe are two different people. Joe made that clear. So where do you get that Drumpf was asking favors of foreign leaders to go after his political rival? Did the crackhead/whore chaser announce he is now running for president? Boy, the Dems are digging deep for candidates if that is the case.

    As for Obama, since you brought him up, he is connected to this FISA warrant thing based on a text from Lisa Page saying, "POTUS wants to know everything we’re doing.” When is that IG report coming out again? Monday? So apparently Obama was using the FBI to spy on Hillary's political rival to help her out... and she still lost.
    No links?!?!?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Hunter "The Crackhead" Biden is Drumpf's policial rival? I didn't know Hunter was running for president. ...
    Stop trolling. If you sincerely think Trump's efforts on that call, as well as before and after (not to mention his bagman Rudy's efforts), were focused on Hunter and not Joe, it's pointless to discuss this with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    No links?!?!?

    SAD!
    Sad... you can't see my links.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    Stop trolling. If you sincerely think Trump's efforts on that call, as well as before and after (not to mention his bagman Rudy's efforts), were focused on Hunter and not Joe, it's pointless to discuss this with you.
    I don't recall Drumpf saying anything about investigating Joe in the phone transcript. Are you saying that Joe is somehow connected to Hunter getting that board seat gig and stopping the corruption investigation into that same Ukraine company? OMG, is Joe connected to this corrupt company as well? That is terrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    Imagine if Obama had been found to be asking favors of foreign leaders to go after his political rival. Would the authors of the linked report have been similarly defensive of his actions and motivations?

    While what Trump did was unquestionably inappropriate from the the perspective of any neutral observer, I'd allow that reasonable minds may differ on the question of whether he should be removed from office. But a recent essay from David French (a conservative writer for The National Review with no love for the Dems) has me leaning toward removal (censure is the minimum penalty that should be imposed). One passage:
    Also, Uncle Ted by contrast, is ignorant, impulsive, vulnerable to conspiracy theories, and motivated by his own personal grievances and grudges- just like his hero Trump!

    It all makes sense now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    I don't recall Drumpf saying anything about investigating Joe in the phone transcript. Are you saying that Joe is somehow connected to Hunter getting that board seat gig and stopping the corruption investigation into that same Ukraine company? OMG, is Joe connected to this corrupt company as well? That is terrible.
    So when in the call Trump says "the Bidens," Joe is not included in that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    So when in the call Trump says "the Bidens," Joe is not included in that?
    I would have to see the full context but I think he is referring to Hunter (aka, the crackhead) and his dead brother's wife that he was sleeping with and/or the stripper/hooker that he knocked up and her baby (the new little Biden). Joe made it very clear he wasn't connected to the corrupt Ukrainian energy company and had no knowledge of what Hunter was up to in Ukraine. Unlike the democrats I like to give folks the benefit of the doubt and believe what they say until there is evidence otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    I would have to see the full context but I think he is referring to Hunter (aka, the crackhead) and his dead brother's wife that he was sleeping with and/or the stripper/hooker that he knocked up and her baby (the new little Biden). Joe made it very clear he wasn't connected to the corrupt Ukrainian energy company and had no knowledge of what Hunter was up to in Ukraine. Unlike the democrats I like to give folks the benefit of the doubt and believe what they say until there is evidence otherwise.
    That's what I would assume too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by originalsocal View Post
    Also, Uncle Ted by contrast, is ignorant, impulsive, vulnerable to conspiracy theories, and motivated by his own personal grievances and grudges- just like his hero Trump!

    It all makes sense now!
    Ironic. I'm see conspiracy theories on both sides. I guess it depends what is your own pet theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    Stop trolling. If you sincerely think Trump's efforts on that call, as well as before and after (not to mention his bagman Rudy's efforts), were focused on Hunter and not Joe, it's pointless to discuss this with you.
    Counselor, to be fair, I think you'd have to investigate whatever it was Hunter was doing on that board before you could get to Joe.
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    Interesting podcast from the New York Times with some details about the Biden/Ukraine/Burisma connection that I hadn't heard before.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/27/p...a-ukraine.html

    What Trump did was reprehensible. While I'm still not convinced that it rises to the level of an impeachable offense, it certainly should disqualify him from getting any rational person's vote in the next election. With that said, it sure looks like the Bidens' hands are not entirely clean either. As the podcast discusses, there are a lot of things that we don't really know about their conduct in Ukraine because no one has bothered to look into it. It sure smells bad to me though.

    It's unfortunate that the only two plausible choices for President in 2020 are likely going to be Trump and Biden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UVACoug View Post
    Interesting podcast from the New York Times with some details about the Biden/Ukraine/Burisma connection that I hadn't heard before.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/27/p...a-ukraine.html

    What Trump did was reprehensible. While I'm still not convinced that it rises to the level of an impeachable offense, it certainly should disqualify him from getting any rational person's vote in the next election. With that said, it sure looks like the Bidens' hands are not entirely clean either. As the podcast discusses, there are a lot of things that we don't really know about their conduct in Ukraine because no one has bothered to look into it. It sure smells bad to me though.

    It's unfortunate that the only two plausible choices for President in 2020 are likely going to be Trump and Biden.
    For starters, what was Hunter doing on that board? He was only there because he was Joe's son and they were paying him 50k a month.
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