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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    I don't see Baxter as a big upgrade on any of our current players. He'll be interesting to see how he develops. He's very different than the type of player we usually recruit. Crazy hops and explosive athleticism. But then also not as polished or the high basketball IQ you expect from a typical white Mormon recruit.
    Won't that add significantly on the defensive end? Or are you stating his lack of good basketball IQ will prevent him from contributing on the defensive end?

    I have heard continuously about his explosive athleticism, and hoped that might get BYU into the bubble or slightly past the bubble team area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    I don't see Baxter as a big upgrade on any of our current players. He'll be interesting to see how he develops. He's very different than the type of player we usually recruit. Crazy hops and explosive athleticism. But then also not as polished or the high basketball IQ you expect from a typical white Mormon recruit.

    Anyway. The loss hurt, but I was encouraged by the game. I wasn't sure how good we were, but that game answered a lot. We didn't play our best and should have or at least had a great shot to beat a very good St Mary's team. We need Haws or Seljaas to be on to be really good, and they weren't, yet we were right there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    His mother is black. Former star athlete on the BYU track team.
    Oops. Well, no wonder he can jump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Won't that add significantly on the defensive end? Or are you stating his lack of good basketball IQ will prevent him from contributing on the defensive end?

    I have heard continuously about his explosive athleticism, and hoped that might get BYU into the bubble or slightly past the bubble team area.
    I don't expect him to fail in any area. I just don't think he's obviously better than our existing talent. Like other recruits, he has strengths and weaknesses. I think he will be interesting player in that his strengths and weaknesses are different than what we might expect from our white, Mormon recruiting base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    I don't expect him to fail in any area. I just don't think he's obviously better than our existing talent. Like other recruits, he has strengths and weaknesses. I think he will be interesting player in that his strengths and weaknesses are different than what we might expect from our white, Mormon recruiting base.
    He sounds a bit like Travis Hansen then, athletic, long and something that good teams often have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    He sounds a bit like Travis Hansen then, athletic, long and something that good teams often have.
    Uh oh. Time for SMR to change his name again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    I don't see Baxter as a big upgrade on any of our current players. He'll be interesting to see how he develops. He's very different than the type of player we usually recruit. Crazy hops and explosive athleticism. But then also not as polished or the high basketball IQ you expect from a typical white Mormon recruit.

    Anyway. The loss hurt, but I was encouraged by the game. I wasn't sure how good we were, but that game answered a lot. We didn't play our best and should have or at least had a great shot to beat a very good St Mary's team. We need Haws or Seljaas to be on to be really good, and they weren't, yet we were right there.
    Funny thing is that if Seljaas makes one wide open shot at the very end, the conversation here is completely different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Funny thing is that if Seljaas makes one wide open shot at the very end, the conversation here is completely different.
    Or if Cannon makes one or two free throws. It is unnerving to see guards miss two consecutive free throws. Not asking them to make a difficult shot, just two shots from the charity stripe.
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    That was a tough loss. I have yet to spend much time looking at the box score but from being there I felt like it was a good defensive gameplan. It seemed to me I felt that BYU did enough defensively to win the game. They defended Landale 1-1 and then brought in a guard to harass. We forced quite a few turnovers when St Mary's spacing allowed the guard to harass - when they spaced properly they usually scored. St Mary's is a good team but not a real good team. They will be a 10-12 seed and will likely be eliminated in the first round. We are heading to the NIT and IMO that is where I think we will deserve to be. St Mary's did enough to beat us but they failed to execute on quite a few occassions we just failed to execute a few more times. I thought offensively everyone but Elijah and Yoeli look timid or scared or just uncomfortable. I hope this works itself out. I still think the talent is there but for BYU to make the jump to a good team they are going to need more offensively from their supporting cast. TJ, Seljaas and Dastrup need to find a way to give the club 20 points per game between the 3 of them. They have that type of ability just need to find themselves. To me that is the key to whether or not BYU can make the jump.

    In many ways it was a really fun game despite the sucky ending - well actually the sucky execution for the last 9 minutes of the game on the offensive end. Perhaps Yoeli got tired? I don't know. This team is much better than last year but it isn't yet a tourney team and barring some improbable wins the rest of the year won't make the dance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Or if Cannon makes one or two free throws. It is unnerving to see guards miss two consecutive free throws. Not asking them to make a difficult shot, just two shots from the charity stripe.
    TPOTSR (The pride of the Shelley Russets) is starting to find where he really is as a player. He is better than a Cusick but he is certainly not as good as Trent Whiting. Probably about as good as Sam Burgess was. A solid back up for BYU but not a difference maker. I thought his high mark would be those first couple of games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    That was a tough loss. I have yet to spend much time looking at the box score but from being there I felt like it was a good defensive gameplan. It seemed to me I felt that BYU did enough defensively to win the game. They defended Landale 1-1 and then brought in a guard to harass. We forced quite a few turnovers when St Mary's spacing allowed the guard to harass - when they spaced properly they usually scored. St Mary's is a good team but not a real good team. They will be a 10-12 seed and will likely be eliminated in the first round. We are heading to the NIT and IMO that is where I think we will deserve to be. St Mary's did enough to beat us but they failed to execute on quite a few occassions we just failed to execute a few more times. I thought offensively everyone but Elijah and Yoeli look timid or scared or just uncomfortable. I hope this works itself out. I still think the talent is there but for BYU to make the jump to a good team they are going to need more offensively from their supporting cast. TJ, Seljaas and Dastrup need to find a way to give the club 20 points per game between the 3 of them. They have that type of ability just need to find themselves. To me that is the key to whether or not BYU can make the jump.

    In many ways it was a really fun game despite the sucky ending - well actually the sucky execution for the last 9 minutes of the game on the offensive end. Perhaps Yoeli got tired? I don't know. This team is much better than last year but it isn't yet a tourney team and barring some improbable wins the rest of the year won't make the dance.
    I think we are a legit bubble team. The difference between this team and the last few years is that I really believe they have the ability to handle their business with everyone else on the schedule outside of Gonzaga and SMC. It is probably more likely than not that we drop one or two road games to other WCC teams. But it is not inconceivable that they run the table against the others in the conference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    That was a tough loss. I have yet to spend much time looking at the box score but from being there I felt like it was a good defensive gameplan. It seemed to me I felt that BYU did enough defensively to win the game. They defended Landale 1-1 and then brought in a guard to harass. We forced quite a few turnovers when St Mary's spacing allowed the guard to harass - when they spaced properly they usually scored. St Mary's is a good team but not a real good team. They will be a 10-12 seed and will likely be eliminated in the first round. We are heading to the NIT and IMO that is where I think we will deserve to be. St Mary's did enough to beat us but they failed to execute on quite a few occassions we just failed to execute a few more times. I thought offensively everyone but Elijah and Yoeli look timid or scared or just uncomfortable. I hope this works itself out. I still think the talent is there but for BYU to make the jump to a good team they are going to need more offensively from their supporting cast. TJ, Seljaas and Dastrup need to find a way to give the club 20 points per game between the 3 of them. They have that type of ability just need to find themselves. To me that is the key to whether or not BYU can make the jump.

    In many ways it was a really fun game despite the sucky ending - well actually the sucky execution for the last 9 minutes of the game on the offensive end. Perhaps Yoeli got tired? I don't know. This team is much better than last year but it isn't yet a tourney team and barring some improbable wins the rest of the year won't make the dance.
    It might help if they can be ready to shoot the open 3 in rhythm when the pass comes from inside out. Both Haws and Seljaas seem a bit too deferential.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    I think we are a legit bubble team. The difference between this team and the last few years is that I really believe they have the ability to handle their business with everyone else on the schedule outside of Gonzaga and SMC. It is probably more likely than not that we drop one or two road games to other WCC teams. But it is not inconceivable that they run the table against the others in the conference.
    To me that is a great indicator - can we get consistent and stop losing to teams that we should not lose to. The next step after that is beating good teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    It might help if they can be ready to shoot the open 3 in rhythm when the pass comes from inside out. Both Haws and Seljaas seem a bit too deferential.

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    I agree. The only two who look comfortable are Yoeli and Elijah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Furthermore, SMC is very young and may improve its defensive efficiency over the course of the season. Right now, is a good time for BYU to be facing off against SMC.
    SMC is actually a pretty veteran team in terms of their most important guys. Naar, Landale and Hermanson are seniors and they bring another senior (Neal) off the bench. They do also have some young players who contribute, but it's hard not to think they'll have to rebuild a bit next year since three of those seniors are pretty major parts of the team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    I agree. The only two who look comfortable are Yoeli and Elijah.
    Yet Yoeli has a very low offensive efficiency rating, if a certain statistician on CB is to be believed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Yet Yoeli has a very low offensive efficiency rating, if a certain statistician on CB is to be believed.
    in that poster's defense, he gets that straight from Pomeroy's numbers.

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    11 pm EST tip

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    11 pm EST tip
    welcome to the west coast conference. The late times can be a pain for fans east of Utah. It was even worse in the old WAC when ESPN had those stupid midnight ET starts.

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    Intimidating environment. Got to be what at least 1500?

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    Shocker. W.tv stream not working.

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    it's live finally

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    Loving these offensive fouls on Yoeli.

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    A win over this USF team isn't that impressive, but this kind of ugly game on the road against an inferior conference opponent is the kind of game we would lose last year. I'm happy with our progress.

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    Ugly wins are much better than ugly losses.

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    Nice win!


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    Nice to see Hardnett have a good game. That is encouraging.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    A win over this USF team isn't that impressive, but this kind of ugly game on the road against an inferior conference opponent is the kind of game we would lose last year. I'm happy with our progress.
    On sagarin BYU should have only won this by 4 points. Usf is just outside the top 100, so a team we should beat, but not terrible.

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    I'm at work late so I have the post game show on and Dave Rose is getting a little sassy about the officials. Not enough to worry about the league getting upset, but he talked about the frustrating way they call offensive fouls and also said Saint Mary's "never fouls" very sarcastically. I like it.

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