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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    I watch every game I can, and haven't missed many in the past ten years. I know what they finished last season, the year before that and the year before that etc. going back to Mountain West days and beyond. I am on record as stating a third place finish again this season sounds about right. I think their ceiling is a first round (play in) game in the tournament. The lack of production at the five will hurt them this season. There is also the potential they could revert to their old ways defensively, but I am inclined to believe that will not happen, not due exclusively to the addition of Schroyer and presence of Cummard, but due to a culture change which seems to be happening.

    Beating St. Mary's and Gonzaga is a tough hill to climb, but hopefully they can surprise. I officiate and coach high school basketball. I watch a lot of basketball and have immediate family who played or are playing D1 sports.
    For some reason the need to add your (and your family's) bonafides to a rather innocuous post, made me chuckle.

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    You coach high school basketball? Do you also teach drivers ed?


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    You coach high school basketball? Do you also teach drivers ed?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Art Vandelay View Post
    For some reason the need to add your (and your family's) bonafides to a rather innocuous post, made me chuckle.
    It is what it is Art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    I'm an artist—I draw, paint, do printmaking, write and tell stories, dabble in photography and video, focus on new/multi-media. I also really enjoy sports.
    You seem to be avoiding the question.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    You seem to be avoiding the question.


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    Je parle français et je sais bien conduire une voiture. J'avais enseigné à mes enfants à conduire, mais je n'enseigne pas aux etudiant d'école. Laisse moi te demander une question: Regardez-vous des sports ... ou simplement faire semblant de regarder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    Je parle français et je sais bien conduire une voiture. J'avais enseigné à mes enfants à conduire, mais je n'enseigne pas aux etudiant d'école. Laisse moi te demander une question: Regardez-vous des sports ... ou simplement faire semblant de regarder?
    That is a dodge. What does you teaching your children to drive have to do with anything? Nous regardons tous les sports mais comment cela est-il pertinent?
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    I'm just mad tooblue doesn't post in the sports officials thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    That is a dodge. What does you teaching your children to drive have to do with anything? Nous regardons tous les sports mais comment cela est-il pertinent?
    Listen Archaea, drivers ed is not taught in school here, it's done through private driving schools, and youth can't get their full license until they are 18. And no, "we" all don't watch sports. The accountant from Texas, who's stage name is Moliere is on record as openly admitting he doesn't actually watch BYU games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    I'm just mad tooblue doesn't post in the sports officials thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPiney View Post
    I thought that was for football or futbol only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    Je parle français et je sais bien conduire une voiture. J'avais enseigné à mes enfants à conduire, mais je n'enseigne pas aux etudiant d'école. Laisse moi te demander une question: Regardez-vous des sports ... ou simplement faire semblant de regarder?
    Tutois and vousvois in the same paragraph? You speak French like a bleu.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Tutois and vousvois in the same paragraph? You speak French like a bleu.


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    I understand the faux pas but not the insult. Speaking like a bleu?
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    I understand the faux pas but not the insult. Speaking like a bleu?
    We called new missionaries “les bleus”


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Tutois and vousvois in the same paragraph? You speak French like a bleu.


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    My response to your repartee was informal and playful, hence the use of tutois. My question was deliberately formal in tone, and not exclusively directed to you individually, but "you" as representative of a community, of which I am an outlier, hence the vousvois (see my response to Topper). It's all about understanding nuance in written language.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    My response to your repartee was informal and playful, hence the use of tutois. My question was deliberately formal in tone, and not exclusively directed to you individually, but "you" as representative of a community, of which I am an outlier, hence the vousvois (see my response to Topper). It's all about understanding nuance in written language.
    I am no creekster or any other of the sophisticated French speakers here, but are you saying the French will speak informally and formally to the same person as you have done, or are you unwilling to admit a faux pas and are therefore just dancing around like a lawyer caught with a bad question? In German, you wouldn't do what you did, and I don't believe you'd see that in Spanish, Portuguese or Italian. I have no idea about Romanian or Romansque (Switzerland's fourth language).
    "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    I am no creekster or any other of the sophisticated French speakers here, but are you saying the French will speak informally and formally to the same person as you have done, or are you unwilling to admit a faux pas and are therefore just dancing around like a lawyer caught with a bad question? In German, you wouldn't do what you did, and I don't believe you'd see that in Spanish, Portuguese or Italian. I have no idea about Romanian or Romansque (Switzerland's fourth language).
    I'm not sure you are aware of this, but this is a message board. We regularly waffle between formal and informal language, in nearly every post. The shear fact you are using the a french term "faux pas" supports that fact. lol, are you even aware faux pas is a co-opted french term, used for informal english purposes? In other words, say in academic writing, or legal writing would you use the term faux pas?



    When you want to ask a direct, formal question in French you use vousvois, especially if your intent is to change the tone of the conversation. So, yes you would use tutois and vousvois in conversational French where appropriate, but especially in writing. I live in a bilingual country and speak, if not write in French almost daily. < Hey Art, another bonafide for ya.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    I'm not sure you are aware of this, but this is a message board. We regularly waffle between formal and informal language, in nearly every post. The shear fact you are using the a french term "faux pas" supports that fact. lol, are you even aware faux pas is a co-opted french term, used for informal english purposes? In other words, say in academic writing, or legal writing would you use the term faux pas?



    When you want to ask a direct, formal question in French you use vousvois, especially if your intent is to change the tone of the conversation. So, yes you would use tutois and vousvois in conversational French where appropriate, but especially in writing. I live in a bilingual country and speak, if not write in French almost daily. < Hey Art, another bonafide for ya.
    Hey, look at that. I'm using formal and informal language in a post, in a effort to change the tone.

    The real problem is Topper, the novice French as a second language speakers here, who adhered to clumsy mission rules surrounding the use of tutois versus vousvois failed to understand that the French people, in general, found missionaries extra weird because we used vousvois all the time. The members tolerated it because they understood it was a mission rule. But if you ask non LDS French it almost sounded as though missionaries were trying to speak like Shakespearean actors—in french.

    My limited understanding of Italian is based on the fact my son served there and insists they were expected to use informal language. As an aside, the also they didn't care about the whole kissing on the cheek thing there iether. We went to Italy and picked him up at the end of his mission, the missionaries were regularly greeted with kisses everywhere we went. That was a big no no in France. < Oooh, more bonafides Art!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    I'm not sure you are aware of this, but this is a message board. We regularly waffle between formal and informal language, in nearly every post. The shear fact you are using the a french term "faux pas" supports that fact. lol, are you even aware faux pas is a co-opted french term, used for informal english purposes?
    Pourquoi ne sais-je pas l'étymologie des mots que j'utilise? I may speak and write French like a cow, but my English is usually appropriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    Hey, look at that. I'm using formal and informal language in a post, in a effort to change the tone.

    The real problem is Topper, the novice French as a second language speakers here, who adhered to clumsy mission rules surrounding the use of tutois versus vousvois failed to understand that the French people, in general, found missionaries extra weird because we used vousvois all the time. The members tolerated it because they understood it was a mission rule. But if you ask non LDS French it almost sounded as though missionaries were trying to speak like Shakespearean actors—in french.

    My limited understanding of Italian is based on the fact my son served there and insists they were expected to use informal language. As an aside, the also they didn't care about the whole kissing on the cheek thing there iether. We went to Italy and picked him up at the end of his mission, the missionaries were regularly greeted with kisses everywhere we went. That was a big no no in France. < Oooh, more bonafides Art!
    The mission rules against using informal "you" is insane. Germans looked at missionaries using formal you as insane idiots. What you vousvois each other and you are with each other 24/7? Do you hate each other? Nobody has ever explained the origin of that idiotic rule.

    I wonder if Japanese speaking missionaries are required to use Formal instead of Plain form with their companions.
    Last edited by Topper; 11-10-2017 at 08:41 AM.
    "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    The mission rules against using informal "you" is insane. Germans looked at missionaries using formal you as insane idiots. What you vousvois each other and you are with each other 24/7? Do you hate each other? Nobody has ever explained the origin of that idiotic rule.

    I wonder if Japanese speaking missionaries are required to use Formal instead of Plain form with their companions.
    A Japanese speaking missionary probably only masters familiar form barely in time before he goes home, if ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Pourquoi ne sais-je pas l'étymologie des mots que j'utilise? I may speak and write French like a cow, but my English is usually appropriate.
    I would say your english is excellent; much better than mine. I am far too conversational in tone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    A Japanese speaking missionary probably only masters familiar form barely in time before he goes home, if ever.
    I would think so as well, but don't really know. Lebowski would know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    See what happens when we try to talk sports on this message board. We confound yewts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    A Japanese speaking missionary probably only masters familiar form barely in time before he goes home, if ever.
    Is it because a gaijin learning and speaking Japanese doesn't hear Plain form? The pattern doesn't seem that difficult. Or is it the situational use that is difficult to master?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Is it because a gaijin learning and speaking Japanese doesn't hear Plain form? The pattern doesn't seem that difficult. Or is it the situational use that is difficult to master?
    I'm exaggerating a little. It's not that difficult. You learn to understand it. But because you don't speak in it regularly, you don't really master it to the point it can flow off your tongue easily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    I'm exaggerating a little. It's not that difficult. You learn to understand it. But because you don't speak in it regularly, you don't really master it to the point it can flow off your tongue easily.
    Are you discouraged from using it among yourselves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    This is turning into a thread killer.
    Linguistics is far more interesting than discussing BYU football. We shall see with bball.
    "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

    Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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