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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    I don't know for sure and one very legitimate reason might be BYU is not that great.

    I also thought I heard that BYU had already had a practice earlier in the afternoon. If that is true that really explains why BYU was so lethargic in the second half. Let us recall that with about 5 minutes to go until half BYU was up 32-10. Up to that point BYU had been efficient, and never hurried, on offense and had played very rugged team man-man defense. There was a lot in that 15 minutes to get excited about.

    Lots of kids played that will likely not see many minutes in meaningful games. They did so when BYU already had gotten a huge early lead that Westminster just chipped away at.

    I guess what I am saying is that game gave everyone evidence of what they are looking for. If you want to find evidence that this team is better and perhaps even good then I think it was there. If you want to believe we will be what we have been the past two years that was there as well.

    My optimistic opinion is that things are getting better. I think that when the dust settles the addition of Schroyer might be the best addition. Competition has stunk when I watched and I am an optimist but I really think there is more structure and organization on both sides of the court.
    I watched the game with interest. It's hard to make a conclusive season predicting assessment considering the competition. Based on what I saw, BYU is what it has been the past two years. I think Jashire should be starting, with either Emery or Haws coming off the bench, preferably Emery at this stage.

    The five spot is a huge concern. Worthington will be serviceable, outside of him, Shaw will give you a precious few serviceable minutes here and there, hopefully at the most opportune times, while Nixon is clearly a year away from providing any kind of help while Childs is on the bench and something just isn't quite right with Dastrup—it's bizarre.

    Seljass will have his moments, but maybe not enough of them to change the complexion of important games this season (and he should cut his hair. That doo is awful). Brown is an athlete that if given specific defensive assignments he could make an impact in the right spots, at certain times, but if BYU has to rely on him for anything other than spot duty they are in real trouble this season.

    By nature I am optimistic, but I just can't get too excited about this team. A 3rd place finish in the WCC is as hopeful as I can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    I watched the game with interest. It's hard to make a conclusive season predicting assessment considering the competition. Based on what I saw, BYU is what it has been the past two years. I think Jashire should be starting, with either Emery or Haws coming off the bench, preferably Emery at this stage.

    The five spot is a huge concern. Worthington will be serviceable, outside of him, Shaw will give you a precious few serviceable minutes here and there, hopefully at the most opportune times, while Nixon is clearly a year away from providing any kind of help while Childs is on the bench and something just isn't quite right with Dastrup—it's bizarre.

    Seljass will have his moments, but maybe not enough of them to change the complexion of important games this season (and he should cut his hair. That doo is awful). Brown is an athlete that if given specific defensive assignments he could make an impact in the right spots, at certain times, but if BYU has to rely on him for anything other than spot duty they are in real trouble this season.

    By nature I am optimistic, but I just can't get too excited about this team. A 3rd place finish in the WCC is as hopeful as I can get.
    I'm okay with third in the WCC this year. I'm not okay with losses to any conference foe not named Gonzaga or St. Mary's. It would be awesome to win a game or two against GU and SMC or at least be competitive in all four contests.
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    There is room for three NCAA bids from the WCC, IMO. If BYU can snag at least one of the 4 games against SMC/GU and avoid bad losses to other WCC teams (especially at home), and then snag a victory against either Utah and/or Alabama and/or UMass, they have a shot. Princeton at Princeton would be a great win, but I just don't see that happening this early in the season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    There is room for three NCAA bids from the WCC, IMO. If BYU can snag at least one of the 4 games against SMC/GU and avoid bad losses to other WCC teams (especially at home), and then snag a victory against either Utah and/or Alabama and/or UMass, they have a shot. Princeton at Princeton would be a great win, but I just don't see that happening this early in the season.
    I agree with all of your conclusions, but the early returns portend it won't happen this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    Princeton at Princeton would be a great win, but I just don't see that happening this early in the season.
    Don't worry I will be in attendance. BYU football has a piss poor record when I travel to see a game, but I seem to have the opposite effect on BYU basketball (NIT semifinal two years ago notwithstanding).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    There is room for three NCAA bids from the WCC, IMO. If BYU can snag at least one of the 4 games against SMC/GU and avoid bad losses to other WCC teams (especially at home), and then snag a victory against either Utah and/or Alabama and/or UMass, they have a shot. Princeton at Princeton would be a great win, but I just don't see that happening this early in the season.
    FWIW, Ken Pomeroy has us at #72 and Princeton at #88. Sagarin has us at #57, Princeton at #108. Seems it would be a solid win and doable. But who knows for sure this early obviously.

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    So Emery is out until the NCAA makes a ruling?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    So Emery is out until the NCAA makes a ruling?
    Sounds like it. Or BYU thinks that there's something to worry about, and they're trying to show they're being proactive by benching him in a game where they didn't have to to try to show meekness, humility, and a honest desire to operate within the rules.

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    I can confirm that Dastrup is not very good at basketball.

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    We would dominate DIII hoops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveCoug View Post
    We would dominate DIII hoops.
    After the next game we can say we would dominate the SWAC. CC is actually D2. They're picked to finish ahead of Westminster in the same conference. It's hard to conclude much from an exhibition, but we do look a lot better in this game against a similar opponent.
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    RUTS! I can't stand these smug CC jerks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    RUTS! I can't stand these smug CC jerks!
    Why isn't Rose playing the scrubs and clearing the bench?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    Why isn't Rose playing the scrubs and clearing the bench?
    The last 5 minutes or so he did. But Princeton and UT Arlington are top 100 and maybe even borderline top 50 teams, which makes these hugely important games for us. UTA could be even better than that. They just beat Oklahoma on the road by 15 points in an exhibition. I'm sure he wants the main rotation players playing together as much as possible now since both of these games are in the next ten days. With the conference we play in and the rest of our schedule, we just don't have the luxury of not being ready to play anyone who can be counted as a good win come March.

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    This team is awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    The last 5 minutes or so he did. But Princeton and UT Arlington are top 100 and maybe even borderline top 50 teams, which makes these hugely important games for us. UTA could be even better than that. They just beat Oklahoma on the road by 15 points in an exhibition. I'm sure he wants the main rotation players playing together as much as possible now since both of these games are in the next ten days. With the conference we play in and the rest of our schedule, we just don't have the luxury of not being ready to play anyone who can be counted as a good win come March.
    There really weren't any scrubs to play other than Troy, I was being goofy. Wrubell seems to think BYU will have an 8 or 9 man rotation. That sounds about right for a team that could struggle at times to find some consistency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    There really weren't any scrubs to play other than Troy, I was being goofy. Wrubell seems to think BYU will have an 8 or 9 man rotation. That sounds about right for a team that could struggle at times to find some consistency.
    That's true. But at least in playing style this team already looks different than last year's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    After the next game we can say we would dominate the SWAC. CC is actually D2. They're picked to finish ahead of Westminster in the same conference. It's hard to conclude much from an exhibition, but we do look a lot better in this game against a similar opponent.
    Nope, they are DIII. Not same conference as Westminster

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    I can confirm that Dastrup is not very good at basketball.
    But KDog said he is going to be one of the best bigs ever at BYU!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    That's true. But at least in playing style this team already looks different than last year's.
    Agreed. The playing style is different, but I imagine that is mostly due to the absence of Mika, and ultimately, maybe that's a good thing. If they keep up this style of play it's hard to imagine them worse than third place in the WCC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Donuthole View Post
    But KDog said he is going to be one of the best bigs ever at BYU!
    I'm buying Dastrup. Yes, he is not playing well, but it is clear he has the most upside of all the bigs. His timidness and indecisiveness are puzzling. It almost reminds me of Mangum in a way. But the tools are there, as compared to Worthington and Shaw.

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    kinda love Seljaas ability to pull up from 3 and make shots. really missed that last year. thanks, Lee Cummard, for leading the way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    kinda love Seljaas ability to pull up from 3 and make shots. really missed that last year. thanks, Lee Cummard, for leading the way!
    What I like most about Seljaas is his effort on defense. For him, it's clear defense precedes offense. There was a sequence where he showed good skill at moving his feet and positioning himself on the defensive end that directly resulted in a transition 3. It was beautiful to watch.

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    Probably not a great defensive strategy for CC, play a packed 2-3 and hope BYU doesn't make 3's at home, but maybe that was their only chance.

    I watched the first half. I might actually like this team. Keep Emery on the bench. Love Child, love Seljaas. Don't mind Worthington playing D and rebounding and letting Childs operate inside and the rest of the team shoot 3's. This team can shoot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiveCoug View Post
    Nope, they are DIII. Not same conference as Westminster
    You're right, my bad, I must have heard wrong during the broadcast of the Westminster game when I thought I heard them say they were in the same conference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    Agreed. The playing style is different, but I imagine that is mostly due to the absence of Mika, and ultimately, maybe that's a good thing. If they keep up this style of play it's hard to imagine them worse than third place in the WCC.
    we've never been worse than 3rd in the WCC, and it won't happen this year either. Some fans probably don't know we've been 2nd a couple of times. I do think we'll be more consistent and more efficient on both sides. Not sure where the ceiling is, but I'd be surprised if we're not a better team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    Probably not a great defensive strategy for CC, play a packed 2-3 and hope BYU doesn't make 3's at home, but maybe that was their only chance.

    I watched the first half. I might actually like this team. Keep Emery on the bench. Love Child, love Seljaas. Don't mind Worthington playing D and rebounding and letting Childs operate inside and the rest of the team shoot 3's. This team can shoot.
    During halftime Dave Rose mentioned in his quick sideline interview that CC plays zone about 90% of the time. They probably didn't have anything else to throw out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    Probably not a great defensive strategy for CC, play a packed 2-3 and hope BYU doesn't make 3's at home, but maybe that was their only chance.

    I watched the first half. I might actually like this team. Keep Emery on the bench. Love Child, love Seljaas. Don't mind Worthington playing D and rebounding and letting Childs operate inside and the rest of the team shoot 3's. This team can shoot.
    Yep. And any BYU team that can shoot has a chance to do some damage. Lack of long range reliability has killed us the past two years and made our other problems so much worse. I'm cautiously optimistic that we have a shot at a tourney bid. We'll see how they look now that the games are real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    we've never been worse than 3rd in the WCC, and it won't happen this year either. Some fans probably don't know we've been 2nd a couple of times. I do think we'll be more consistent and more efficient on both sides. Not sure where the ceiling is, but I'd be surprised if we're not a better team.
    Yeah, that was a funny post. We would have to be terrible to finish below 3rd place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    we've never been worse than 3rd in the WCC, and it won't happen this year either. Some fans probably don't know we've been 2nd a couple of times. I do think we'll be more consistent and more efficient on both sides. Not sure where the ceiling is, but I'd be surprised if we're not a better team.
    I watch every game I can, and haven't missed many in the past ten years. I know what they finished last season, the year before that and the year before that etc. going back to Mountain West days and beyond. I am on record as stating a third place finish again this season sounds about right. I think their ceiling is a first round (play in) game in the tournament. The lack of production at the five will hurt them this season. There is also the potential they could revert to their old ways defensively, but I am inclined to believe that will not happen, not due exclusively to the addition of Schroyer and presence of Cummard, but due to a culture change which seems to be happening.

    Beating St. Mary's and Gonzaga is a tough hill to climb, but hopefully they can surprise. I officiate and coach high school basketball. I watch a lot of basketball and have immediate family who played or are playing D1 sports.

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