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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    I have faith that Tillie will not continue making 100% of his 3 pt shots during the tournament as he has thus far. That's got to improve BYU's chances.
    you were right, he only shot 75% from three against BYU!
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    you were right, he only shot 75% from three against BYU!
    Gonzaga is playing at a ridiculously high level right now, similar to last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    you were right, he only shot 75% from three against BYU!
    Swish!

    It sure seemed like Monday night BYU was moving the ball, driving and dishing, and getting better looks. But last night, they were spreading out, running that little weave thing they do with the screens up top, but then trying to play 1 on 1 ball. The drives all went for shots, passing was off.

    Gonzaga is a good team. I'm sure they had something to do with it.

    Maybe Seljiaas needs to go finish his mission now. He sure has had a rough season once they got into conference play. Time for a do-over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    Swish!

    It sure seemed like Monday night BYU was moving the ball, driving and dishing, and getting better looks. But last night, they were spreading out, running that little weave thing they do with the screens up top, but then trying to play 1 on 1 ball. The drives all went for shots, passing was off.

    Gonzaga is a good team. I'm sure they had something to do with it.

    Maybe Seljiaas needs to go finish his mission now. He sure has had a rough season once they got into conference play. Time for a do-over.
    Gonzaga plays great defense. Always makes me jealous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    you were right, he only shot 75% from three against BYU!
    But didn't Yoeli continue shooting 100% from 3? How did we lose?!
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    I've beat this drum before, but holding the roster together this offseason is going to be key to improving. I looked it up over the last several years. This season only 4 players who actually played were on the team last year. There are 13 scholarship players, so only bringing back 4-7 from the previous year, every year basically since Jimmer left is not going to give you good enough continuity.

    Year by year here are the only players who played the previous year. I'm not including players who sat out the year injured. 2015 and 2013 had the most coming back (7). We got a 10 seed in the NCAA tournament in 2015, but that was when Collinsworth blew out his knee in the conference tournament.

    2018 (likely NIT): Haws, Bryant, Childs, Dastrup
    2017 (NIT): Aytes, Emery, Kaufusi, Shaw
    2016 (NIT): Austin, Collinsworth, Fischer, Kaufusi, Toolson
    2015 (NCAA): Bartley, Collinsworth, Halford, Tyler Haws, Sharp, Winder, Worthington
    2014 (NCAA): Austin, Carlino, Tyler Haws, Sharp, Winder
    2013: (NIT): Austin, Carlino, Cusick, Davies, Sharp, Winder, Zylstra

    Let's just freaking hold the team together this offseason.
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    good to beat smc. we were never winning that gonzaga game, especially on such a short turnaround. excited about the future, especially if seljass can learn how to shoot again
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    good to beat smc. we were never winning that gonzaga game, especially on such a short turnaround. excited about the future, especially if seljass can learn how to shoot again
    I think we may be over by a scholarship or two next year, so there will probably still be some attrition. But if all the key pieces are back and the number coming back is at least 8-9, then I think we'll be ok.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    But didn't Yoeli continue shooting 100% from 3? How did we lose?!
    no. he missed one. now you know why we lost. effing Childs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    good to beat smc. we were never winning that gonzaga game, especially on such a short turnaround. excited about the future, especially if seljass can learn how to shoot again
    Yoeli could have a crazy good year next season. So much potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Yoeli could have a crazy good year next season. So much potential.
    We probably won't have him for 4 years, but I just hope at least for next year. The NBA and its agent network seem to be trying to do whatever they can right now to entice kids to leave early -- probably more the agents than the league itself. But the expanded rosters with back and forth contracts between the NBA and G-league isn't going to do any favors to the college game. And the agents -- well, greed is strong motivator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    We probably won't have him for 4 years, but I just hope at least for next year. The NBA and its agent network seem to be trying to do whatever they can right now to entice kids to leave early -- probably more the agents than the league itself. But the expanded rosters with back and forth contracts between the NBA and G-league isn't going to do any favors to the college game. And the agents -- well, greed is strong motivator.
    Is anyone expecting Yoeli to leave school as a Junior? Unless he has a huge increase next year, I don't see him as an NBA prospect. He's listed at 6'8", which means he's more like 6'6". He doesn't have the speed or handles to play outside of the post, and he probably doesn't have the size to play in the post in the NBA.

    Then again, Eric Mika, so what do I know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Is anyone expecting Yoeli to leave school as a Junior? Unless he has a huge increase next year, I don't see him as an NBA prospect. He's listed at 6'8", which means he's more like 6'6". He doesn't have the speed or handles to play outside of the post, and he probably doesn't have the size to play in the post in the NBA.

    Then again, Eric Mika, so what do I know.
    Eric Mika is playing low level Italian league ball. My fear is that the the model has changed now with the recent d-league/g league and expanded rosters thing. So players don't have to be a surefire NBA prospect to leave early anymore, which is bad for college basketball. Since I love college basketball and don't care that much about the NBA and don't care at all about minor league pro basketball, I hope I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Eric Mika is playing low level Italian league ball. My fear is that the the model has changed now with the recent d-league/g league and expanded rosters thing. So players don't have to be a surefire NBA prospect to leave early anymore, which is bad for college basketball. I hope I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    I thought he was in Italy's top league.
    I think that is what he is saying.
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    The addition of Schroyer turned out to be a mixed bag. Our defense did get a little better, but not drastically better when all was said and done. And the offense got less efficient probably in large part due to trading off being more aggressive on the offensive glass in return for getting back faster on defense. They have to figure out how to make the offense better next year without sacrificing much on the defensive end. One good thing I think is that the players individually do have better habits and awareness on defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    The addition of Schroyer turned out to be a mixed bag. Our defense did get a little better, but not drastically better when all was said and done. And the offense got less efficient probably in large part due to trading off being more aggressive on the offensive glass in return for getting back faster on defense. They have to figure out how to make the offense better next year without sacrificing much on the defensive end. One good thing I think is that the players individually do have better habits and awareness on defense.
    I think there are some legitimate reasons for optimism on offense. With an entire year of seeing Seljaas and Hardnett I am convinced BYU's best 5 will be TJ, Emery, Bryant, Childs and Worthington. I agree with those who think TJ is a better player with the ball in his hands more so I think he will respond well to a situation where Emery's return will allow him to play more with the ball in his hands while Bryant and Emery play off the ball. If Emery has all of his personal issues behind him I think he could be much improved and provide BYU a legitimate consistent 3rd scorer in option who averages double digit points. There could be some issues with him having to let Childs and Bryant be in the spotlight but he should be much more mature and they have proven themselves without much reason to question. TJ can then only be called upon to get 8 ppg to keep teams honest. The other issue facing BYU is whether or not Dastrup can develop which I am expecting him not to do. But if he does then BYU could be legitimately good next year. BYU should return a grundle of experienced players in a top 10 of:

    1.) TJ, Hardnett
    2.) Emery, Cannon
    3.) Bryant, Seljaas
    4.) Childs, Nixon
    5.) Worthington, Dastrup

    That is 7 guys with starting experience and two more with significant minutes off the bench + Dastrup who wandered between no time and significant minutes off the bench. I think the team should be as good as the pre-Jimmer upperclass BYU teams were and if Dastrup develops and Seljaas rediscovers how to shoot 3's/finds a comfortable role in the offense like he was as a freshman I think they could be good enough to win a game in the tournament. Having to play Worthington 20 mpg is a huge hole to cover so if Dastrup can deliver and knock that down to 10 mpg it would bode will for BYU.

    Having good shooters and a consistent offense should help the defense. Emery had developed into a decent on the ball defender his sophomore year and TJ improved significantly last year. With those two and Bryant we should be adequate on the perimeter. I also think other than Dastrup the post guys are fine as well. BYU hoops has a limit but this should be a good BYU team as they are coming at it with two rebuilding years worth of experience. They all are healthy at this point and been around a long time. I think they should hover around the top 25 rankings, secure an NCAA bid before the WCC tourney and be a legitimate threat to get to the round of 32.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    I think there are some legitimate reasons for optimism on offense. With an entire year of seeing Seljaas and Hardnett I am convinced BYU's best 5 will be TJ, Emery, Bryant, Childs and Worthington. I agree with those who think TJ is a better player with the ball in his hands more so I think he will respond well to a situation where Emery's return will allow him to play more with the ball in his hands while Bryant and Emery play off the ball. If Emery has all of his personal issues behind him I think he could be much improved and provide BYU a legitimate consistent 3rd scorer in option who averages double digit points. There could be some issues with him having to let Childs and Bryant be in the spotlight but he should be much more mature and they have proven themselves without much reason to question. TJ can then only be called upon to get 8 ppg to keep teams honest. The other issue facing BYU is whether or not Dastrup can develop which I am expecting him not to do. But if he does then BYU could be legitimately good next year. BYU should return a grundle of experienced players in a top 10 of:

    1.) TJ, Hardnett
    2.) Emery, Cannon
    3.) Bryant, Seljaas
    4.) Childs, Nixon
    5.) Worthington, Dastrup

    That is 7 guys with starting experience and two more with significant minutes off the bench + Dastrup who wandered between no time and significant minutes off the bench. I think the team should be as good as the pre-Jimmer upperclass BYU teams were and if Dastrup develops and Seljaas rediscovers how to shoot 3's/finds a comfortable role in the offense like he was as a freshman I think they could be good enough to win a game in the tournament. Having to play Worthington 20 mpg is a huge hole to cover so if Dastrup can deliver and knock that down to 10 mpg it would bode will for BYU.

    Having good shooters and a consistent offense should help the defense. Emery had developed into a decent on the ball defender his sophomore year and TJ improved significantly last year. With those two and Bryant we should be adequate on the perimeter. I also think other than Dastrup the post guys are fine as well. BYU hoops has a limit but this should be a good BYU team as they are coming at it with two rebuilding years worth of experience. They all are healthy at this point and been around a long time. I think they should hover around the top 25 rankings, secure an NCAA bid before the WCC tourney and be a legitimate threat to get to the round of 32.
    Those are lofty aspirations. I think a round of 32 visit will largely depend upon how well they do in the NIT this year. If they lose their first game, I'm not convinced they fair any better next season than they did this season. If they play in the NIT like they believe they belong there, and that it is an opportunity to build for next season then I'm all in with your prognostication. Their NIT performance should tell us a lot.

    Worthington should not be getting the minutes he gets. Dastrup's upside is far greater and he should be given those minutes, while Worthington splits time with another young big in the system. We know what Worthington is. There's no guess work, so you can sit him and plug him I'm when and where needed. We don't quite know what Dastrup is, but he showed enough at times to merit boosting his confidence by throwing him into the starting line-up.

    Haws impressed with his willingness to get better on the defensive end of the floor. I'm OK with the ball in his hands. If Rose stays with this current defensive and offensive philosophy, it will be interesting to see how Emery adjusts—I think he could struggle as much as Haws and Seljas did, so I would prefer to see him come off the bench.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    Those are lofty aspirations. I think a round of 32 visit will largely depend upon how well they do in the NIT this year. If they lose their first game, I'm not convinced they fair any better next season than they did this season. If they play in the NIT like they believe they belong there, and that it is an opportunity to build for next season then I'm all in with your prognostication. Their NIT performance should tell us a lot.

    Worthington should not be getting the minutes he gets. Dastrup's upside is far greater and he should be given those minutes, while Worthington splits time with another young big in the system. We know what Worthington is. There's no guess work, so you can sit him and plug him I'm when and where needed. We don't quite know what Dastrup is, but he showed enough at times to merit boosting his confidence by throwing him into the starting line-up.

    Haws impressed with his willingness to get better on the defensive end of the floor. I'm OK with the ball in his hands. If Rose stays with this current defensive and offensive philosophy, it will be interesting to see how Emery adjusts—I think he could struggle as much as Haws and Seljas did, so I would prefer to see him come off the bench.
    We just haven't seen a cohesive unit come back in a really long time and forgotten what that does to improve a program year to year. I'm excited about the prospect of having 8-9 guys back + adding some talent instead of the only 4-5 we've had every year for the last 5 years. I agree that how we play in the NIT can make a difference in helping the team come along mentally, and carrying the attitude into next year.

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    Anyone going to the game tonight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
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    Pics or it didn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
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    Looked really good in the first half and are looking terrible in the 2nd (3rd quarter)

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    Luke missing 1 footers, seljaas missing wide open threes

    stanford banking in 3's.

    Just not our night

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    Childs looks/playing like he believes he is gone. Problem is he is not going to get drafted. His only chance is to stay in school and play at least one more season, but who in his life is going to be that honest with him?

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    I thought I would defend officials more as I got more experience, but I'm starting to think most college basketball officials aren't very good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    I thought I would defend officials more as I got more experience, but I'm starting to think most college basketball officials aren't very good.
    The officials last night in the UCLA v St Bonaventure were awful, just awful.

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    Stanford is not that good and we are making them look incredible. The effort/intensity by Yoeli and Dastrup has been really disappointing this half.

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    WGAF? Seriously, nobody cares about the NIT.
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