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    Not off to a great start...

    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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    These leaks couldn't possibly be more boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVAllen View Post
    These leaks couldn't possibly be more boring.
    Yes. Boring to hear a US Senator talk about how his people are "Church broke" and about how they love getting instructions from Salt Lake and about how the Iraq War was inspired by God to promote the spread of Mormonism.

    And boring to hear apostles chatter about which villains have been confirmed to be gay.

    Boring if you don't care about these issues.

    Some people are not bored by these videos because they reveal more candid insight into how these Mormon leaders' minds work.

    No one expects senators or church leaders to be perfect. But it would be nice if they didn't feel so inclined to consider war to be God-inspired or to act so obsessed with issues related to sexual orientation.

    It matters because these Mormon leaders have a lot of power and influence over the devoted masses and apparently over politicians, and so they deserve a little more scrutiny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByronMarchant View Post
    Yes. Boring to hear a US Senator talk about how his people are "Church broke" and about how they love getting instructions from Salt Lake and about how the Iraq War was inspired by God to promote the spread of Mormonism.

    And boring to hear apostles chatter about which villains have been confirmed to be gay.

    Boring if you don't care about these issues.

    Some people are not bored by these videos because they reveal more candid insight into how these Mormon leaders' minds work.

    No one expects senators or church leaders to be perfect. But it would be nice if they didn't feel so inclined to consider war to be God-inspired or to act so obsessed with issues related to sexual orientation.

    It matters because these Mormon leaders have a lot of power and influence over the devoted masses and apparently over politicians, and so they deserve a little more scrutiny.
    Yep. Boring.
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    wikileaks aggressively defending their brand in hopes of getting a show on rt
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    Quote Originally Posted by ByronMarchant View Post
    Yes. Boring to hear a US Senator talk about how his people are "Church broke" and about how they love getting instructions from Salt Lake and about how the Iraq War was inspired by God to promote the spread of Mormonism.

    And boring to hear apostles chatter about which villains have been confirmed to be gay.

    Boring if you don't care about these issues.

    Some people are not bored by these videos because they reveal more candid insight into how these Mormon leaders' minds work.

    No one expects senators or church leaders to be perfect. But it would be nice if they didn't feel so inclined to consider war to be God-inspired or to act so obsessed with issues related to sexual orientation.

    It matters because these Mormon leaders have a lot of power and influence over the devoted masses and apparently over politicians, and so they deserve a little more scrutiny.
    Let's see, what do they lead off with on their very first day?

    A memo that says to keep member confidences regarding welfare assistance, and which provides a uniform form to obtain member consent to divulge that confidential information.

    An organization chart.

    A memo that shows the Church understands the Streisand effect.

    A memo that emphasizes that everything that goes out from the church gets run past the FP & Q12.

    This is the best they could do?

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    Shouldn't taekwondo dave or ByronMarchant or someone be here, outraged that GA's are pulling $120K per year?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    Shouldn't taekwondo dave or ByronMarchant or someone be here, outraged that GA's are pulling $120K per year?
    I, for one, am outraged. I think they should earn more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    Shouldn't taekwondo dave or ByronMarchant or someone be here, outraged that GA's are pulling $120K per year?
    My friend was saying there was going to be a bomb drop on their salaries. he said he expects the 12 to be making around 300k or more. Turns out Elder Eyring made 80k in 2000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueintheface View Post
    I, for one, am outraged. I think they should earn more.
    That base salary does not include annual bonus for achieving home teaching quotas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paperback Writer View Post
    That base salary does not include annual bonus for achieving home teaching quotas.
    Or blessings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    Shouldn't taekwondo dave or ByronMarchant or someone be here, outraged that GA's are pulling $120K per year?
    Do they really call it a living allowance? Is that so that it's not taxable?
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    Seriously though, any company or religious organization would be compensating these families even more than they currently are if those numbers are accurate. If the XII and the BigIII received less than $500k I would be surprised. I'm not suggesting that as an indictment either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueintheface View Post
    I, for one, am outraged. I think they should earn more.
    Seriously if that's all they make with all the stress involved, all the travel involved, having to wear a suit every single time they leave the house, a 24/7 commitment at an elderly age that is not even anywhere close to enough money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    Turns out Elder Eyring made 80k in 2000.
    Well, that is enough to buy out a future basketball game


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    Is there a link to these financial data? I've always enjoyed the clueless ex-mo rips on exorbitant GA salaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    Is there a link to these financial data? I've always enjoyed the clueless ex-mo rips on exorbitant GA salaries.
    https://www.docdroid.net/GEbupXj/apo...acted.pdf.html


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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    Do they really call it a living allowance? Is that so that it's not taxable?
    It's taxable. I'm guessing it's semantics. It sounds better to pay a religious leader a living allowance than a salary.

    https://www.irs.gov/help-resources/t...sing-allowance


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    Base living allowance for Seventy = 120K. Not counting performance bonuses, retirement, or stock.

    Base living allowance for an apostle = ? Book deals. Free cars. Free insurance. Stock. That said, the base salary is impressively modest. Major props to the GAs for that.

    And so, it would appear that the Church is indeed true, even though Joseph Smith almost became a Methodist 8 years after the first vision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByronMarchant View Post
    Base living allowance for Seventy = 120K. Not counting performance bonuses, retirement, or stock.

    Base living allowance for an apostle = ? Book deals. Free cars. Free insurance. Stock. That said, the base salary is impressively modest. Major props to the GAs for that.

    And so, it would appear that the Church is indeed true, even though Joseph Smith almost became a Methodist 8 years after the first vision.
    You are trying way too hard here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByronMarchant View Post
    Base living allowance for Seventy = 120K. Not counting performance bonuses, retirement, or stock.
    I'm assuming you have data on these, including that they exist. You wouldn't just throw this stuff out there without support, would you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    I'm assuming you have data on these, including that they exist. You wouldn't just throw this stuff out there without support, would you?
    Why even call it a base allowance if there are not supplements?

    In any case, it still doesn't change the fact that Joseph Smith tried to become a methodist 8 years after Jesus and God supposedly appeared to him and told him to not join any other Church.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByronMarchant View Post
    Base living allowance for Seventy = 120K. Not counting performance bonuses, retirement, or stock.
    Performance bonuses? Unless performance bonuses are paid on 12/31, Eyring didn't get one in 2000. Stock in what? Like stock in the LDS church?

    Quote Originally Posted by ByronMarchant View Post
    Base living allowance for an apostle = ? Book deals. Free cars. Free insurance. Stock. That said, the base salary is impressively modest. Major props to the GAs for that.
    Base living allowance is the same for all GAs regardless of rank. Apostles got $120k. This was confirmed by the church spokesperson to PFStack. His insurance premiums are listed on his paycheck. Maybe you didn't read it or read it too quickly. Cars would be taxed unless used for church business ,which I'm sure they are. Of course, we all know they drive Avalons

    Book deals are certainly a source of income. I doubt they are lucrative given the small prospective audience, but I'm sure the top 15 makes some decent money off their books. However, book deals would be personal income obtained outside of the church so it doesn't fall under the same "transparency" call that we all would like to see.

    Quote Originally Posted by ByronMarchant View Post
    And so, it would appear that the Church is indeed true, even though Joseph Smith almost became a Methodist 8 years after the first vision.
    Which first vision?
    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post

    Which first vision?
    The first vision at age 14--the canonized one. Joseph tried to become a Methodist 8 years after Jesus told him not to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByronMarchant View Post
    The first vision at age 14--the canonized one. Joseph tried to become a Methodist 8 years after Jesus told him not to.
    That has nothing to do with the leak we are discussing.
    "Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    That has nothing to do with the leak we are discussing.
    You asked which first vision. I answered. I'm just saying--he tried to become a Methodist after Jesus told him not to. That's pretty bad. I would do whatever Jesus told me to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ByronMarchant View Post
    Why even call it a base allowance if there are not supplements?
    So you admit your speculating without evidence. Not surprised.

    Quote Originally Posted by ByronMarchant View Post
    In any case, it still doesn't change the fact that Joseph Smith tried to become a methodist 8 years after Jesus and God supposedly appeared to him and told him to not join any other Church.
    It also doesn't change the fact that my mission president drove a Toyota Avalon.
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    So you admit your speculating without evidence. Not surprised.



    It also doesn't change the fact that my mission president drove a Toyota Avalon.
    I admit I'm speculating that they get more than their base salary. That's why it's called a BASE salary.

    I like Toyota Avalons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    That has nothing to do with the leak we are discussing.
    Mmm... herring.
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