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Originally posted by BlueK View PostNot sure I understand what you mean about loyalty in regards to Mueller. That line of thinking makes more sense if the story came out that he wanted to fire Rosenstein after he first wrote a memo in support of the Comey firing but then turned around and followed the law that allowed him to hire special counsel Mueller to take over the Russia investigation. I can see loyalty being a thing with him. But Mueller wasn't a Trump hire.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by BlueK View PostYes, there are a few sane people still around Trump. For that I am grateful. The fact that such a thing is even necessary around our president is still frightening to me.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by creekster View PostAnd so Mueller wasnt fired, which is sort of the salient point.
"Yes, the president directed us to start a nuclear war. The generals refused. So no missiles were fired, which is sort of the salient point.""There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostReally? Wow.
"Yes, the president directed us to start a nuclear war. The generals refused. So no missiles were fired, which is sort of the salient point."PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by creekster View PostSure, that is a very reasonable and useful comparison. Not hyperbolic at all.
I saw an interview with him on TV with Chris Matthews asking why we don't use nuclear weapons. He sounded like an 6th grader asking that. Granted, that was before he was the president.
If he's not kind of a nut, he does a great job acting like it. That's ok in celebrity world. But it's scary when it's the president of the country. I kind of feel like Republicans are just constantly having to talk themselves into believing all his nuttiness is really not a big deal. But it shouldn't even be necessary. I've had plenty of policy disagreements with presidents from both parties over the years, but Trump is not even in the same universe.Last edited by BlueK; 01-26-2018, 09:12 AM.
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Originally posted by BlueK View PostWhen your president is trying to pick fights with Kim Jung Un over twitter, it's actually much less hyperbolic than it should be, IMO.
I saw an interview with him on TV with Chris Matthews asking why we don't use nuclear weapons. He sounded like an 6th grader asking that. Granted, that was before he was the president.
If he's not kind of a nut, he does a great job acting like it. That's ok in celebrity world. But it's scary when it's the president of the country. I kind of feel like Republicans are just constantly having to talk themselves into believing all his nuttiness is really not a big deal. Again, it shouldn't even be necessary. I've had plenty of disagreements with presidents from both parties over the years, but Trump is not even in the same universe.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by creekster View PostNuclear war compared to personnel/political choices in an internal investigation? Not the same.Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.
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Originally posted by old_gregg View Postno, outcomes of bad judgment being avoided by other people’s less bad judgment does not make the original bad judgment less bad. how is this controversial? your reactions to this stuff are so bizarre.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by old_gregg View Postit exactly describes your reaction. the hyperbole of the comparison does not matter. what does not make sense about this to you?PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by creekster View PostThe hyperbole of the comparison doesn't affect the underlying principle, if it is accurately used. But the value of the comparison depends a great deal on the surrounding facts and circumstances. Internal investigation is not the same as a decision to launch nukes, neither in terms of the process by which that decision is reached or in terms of the likely reaction of those around the president. Trump's foreign policy adventures are certainly unwise and crude and have put us closer to nuclear war than we ever should be. Here, however, the point was (assuming it is being reported accurately) that Trump lashed out, an official failed to follow through, and Trump let it go. This is not at all how the process would have to play out for the comparison to hold, as you know. So, from my POV, the comparison is facile but ultimately meaningless.
As usual, you are nitpicking over meaningless distinctions and missing the broader point completely.
It's incredible to me how the Trump presidency has changed the way people react to stuff like this."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostSo Trump lashed out and then he wisely let it go. Uh ... ok.
As usual, you are nitpicking over meaningless distinctions and missing the broader point completely.
It's incredible to me how the Trump presidency has changed the way people react to stuff like this.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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