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  • Originally posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    hmm... I wonder why the FBI would do something like that?



    Hey, I have an idea! Let's sick California on Russia and have them kick their ass.
    The FBI would do something like that because they suspect your idol of being a foreign agent. You sound like Alex Jones.

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    • Originally posted by frank ryan View Post
      The FBI would do something like that because they suspect your idol of being a foreign agent. You sound like Alex Jones.
      Really? Why do progressives trust police states so much?
      "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

      Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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      • Trump has been supressing details of his conversations with Putin. That's damning and scandalous stuff. Not nothingburger, poor victim of the MSM media stuff. From WaPo:


        Trump has concealed details of his face-to-face encounters with Putin from senior officials in administration

        President Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with Russian President Vladi*mir Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials, current and former U.S. officials said.

        Trump did so after a meeting with Putin in 2017 in Hamburg that was also attended by then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. U.S. officials learned of Trump’s actions when a White House adviser and a senior State Department official sought information from the interpreter beyond a readout shared by Tillerson.

        The constraints that Trump imposed are part of a broader pattern by the president of shielding his communications with Putin from public scrutiny and preventing even high-ranking officials in his own administration from fully knowing what he has told one of the United States’ main adversaries.

        As a result, U.S. officials said there is no detailed record, even in classified files, of Trump’s face-to-face interactions with the Russian leader at five locations over the past two years. Such a gap would be unusual in any presidency, let alone one that Russia sought to install through what U.S. intelligence agencies have described as an unprecedented campaign of election interference. ...

        Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III is thought to be in the final stages of an investigation that has focused largely on whether Trump or his associates conspired with Russia during the 2016 presidential campaign. The new details about Trump’s continued secrecy underscore the extent to which little is known about his communications with Putin since becoming president.

        The concerns have been compounded by actions and positions Trump has taken as president that are seen as favorable to the Kremlin. He has dismissed Russia’s election interference as a “hoax,” suggested that Russia was entitled to annex Crimea, repeatedly attacked NATO allies, resisted efforts to impose sanctions on Moscow, and begun to pull U.S. forces out of Syria — a move that critics see as effectively ceding ground to Russia.

        At the same time, Trump’s decision to fire Comey and other attempts to contain the ongoing Russia investigation led the bureau in May 2017 to launch a counterintelligence investigation into whether he was seeking to help Russia and if so, why, a step first reported by the New York Times.

        It is not clear whether Trump has taken notes from interpreters on other occasions, but several officials said they were never able to get a reliable readout of the president’s two-hour meeting in Helsinki. Unlike in Hamburg, Trump allowed no Cabinet officials or any aides to be in the room for that conversation.

        Trump also had other private conversations with Putin at meetings of global leaders outside the presence of aides. He spoke at length with Putin at a banquet at the same 2017 global conference in Hamburg, where only Putin’s interpreter was present. Trump also had a brief conversation with *Putin at a Group of 20 summit in Buenos Aires last month.

        Trump generally has allowed aides to listen to his phone conversations with Putin, although Russia has often been first to disclose those calls when they occur and release statements characterizing them in broad terms favorable to the Kremlin.

        In an email, Tillerson said that he “was present for the entirety of the two presidents’ official bilateral meeting in Hamburg,” but he declined to discuss the meeting and did not respond to questions about whether Trump had instructed the interpreter to remain silent or had taken the interpreter’s notes.

        In a news conference afterward, Tillerson said that the Trump-Putin meeting lasted more than two hours, covered the war in Syria and other subjects, and that Trump had “pressed President *Putin on more than one occasion regarding Russian involvement” in election interference. “President Putin denied such involvement, as I think he has in the past,” Tillerson said

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.7970a9b00e95

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        • Originally posted by Topper View Post
          Really? Why do progressives trust police states so much?
          Aside from being just bad management and diplomatic practice to hold meetings or calls with foreign leaders without staff or other attendees to advise and at least take notes, Trump displayed/displays many traits of someone who is compromised. I'm pretty sure if anyone else in a national security position did what Trump has done, he/she would come under special scrutiny and depending on the outcome, could likely lose his/her security clearance.
          Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

          For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

          Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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          • Originally posted by myboynoah View Post
            Aside from being just bad management and diplomatic practice to hold meetings or calls with foreign leaders without staff or other attendees to advise and at least take notes, Trump displayed/displays many traits of someone who is compromised. I'm pretty sure if anyone else in a national security position did what Trump has done, he/she would come under special scrutiny and depending on the outcome, could likely lose his/her security clearance.
            What security protocol has he violated? I have not followed. What examples have you seen where an analogous violation has resulted in the forfeiture of security clearance? I am interested in your knowledge of the actual violations rather those apparently leaked through "secure media reports."
            "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

            Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.

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            • Originally posted by Topper View Post
              What security protocol has he violated? I have not followed.
              Clearly.

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              • Originally posted by Topper View Post
                What security protocol has he violated? I have not followed. What examples have you seen where an analogous violation has resulted in the forfeiture of security clearance? I am interested in your knowledge of the actual violations rather those apparently leaked through "secure media reports."
                Meeting alone multiple times with an agent/agents of certain adversarial foreign governments (Russia is on the list) and hiding the nature of the meetings would be at the top of that list and trigger further scrutiny.
                Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

                For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

                Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."

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                • Yeah this is outrageous. Even by bizarro trump standards.
                  "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                  "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                  "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                  • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                    Yeah this is outrageous. Even by bizarro trump standards.
                    Let's just hope the Mueller report sees the light of day.

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                    • Originally posted by Topper View Post
                      What security protocol has he violated? I have not followed. What examples have you seen where an analogous violation has resulted in the forfeiture of security clearance? I am interested in your knowledge of the actual violations rather those apparently leaked through "secure media reports."
                      For a president of a Constitutional republic with democratic processes like the US has, it is completely unacceptable for him to go into meetings with the head of state from another country, especially one that is as shady and un-trustworthy as Russia, and actively try to prevent anyone else in the administration to know what was discussed. That is not the sign of a leader who has nothing illegal or nefarious to hide. You should start paying attention. This really isn't about a disagreement on policy or liberal vs. conservative or democrat vs. republican. This is a president whose actions are consistently showing a pattern of putting his own personal and business interests ahead of the country, about which he has continually and blatantly been caught lying about -- "I have no business interests in Russia..."
                      Last edited by BlueK; 01-14-2019, 07:58 AM.

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                      • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                        Yeah this is outrageous. Even by bizarro trump standards.
                        Ted Cruz says "who cares?" to the idea that Trump could be a Russian asset.




                        https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/polit...sia/index.html
                        "I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"

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                        • Originally posted by Commando View Post
                          Ted Cruz says "who cares?" to the idea that Trump could be a Russian asset.




                          https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/13/polit...sia/index.html
                          This piece does bring up some relevant questions about Trump's behavior:

                          "Even if you ignore all of those facts about the Mueller investigation, there's still one question I keep coming back to over the last 48 hours: Why did Trump go out of his way to ensure that no records of his meetings with Russian President Vladimir Putin exist?
                          These two paragraphs, from The Washington Post's Greg Miller, are staggering stuff:

                          "President Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with Russian President Vladimir Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials, current and former U.S. officials said....

                          "The constraints that Trump imposed are part of a broader pattern by the president of shielding his communications with Putin from public scrutiny and preventing even high-ranking officials in his own administration from fully knowing what he has told one of the United States' main adversaries."

                          WHAT?

                          Think of that decision for a minute. The dark cloud of Russia's involvement in the 2016 election has followed Trump since almost his first day in office. The US intelligence community concluded unanimously almost two years ago that the Russians actively sought to interfere in the election to help Trump and hurt Hillary Clinton. Any number of his past associates on the campaign -- and some within his administration -- have pleaded guilty to lying to Mueller about the nature and breadth of their of their interactions with the Russians. His top three campaign advisers -- Paul Manafort, Donald Trump Jr. and Jared Kushner -- met with Russians at Trump Tower in June 2016 under the promise that the Russians had dirt on Clinton. At a news conference following their summit in Helsinki, Trump sheltered Putin and Russia from blame in the election interference operations, insisting that the Russian president said he didn't do it and there was enough blame to go around on all sides.

                          There's more, but you get the idea. In a vacuum, the President of the United States going above and beyond to shield his communications with the Russian president would be concerning. Given what we know about the Trump campaign and Russia, it's downright alarming.

                          Now, back to my unanswered question: Why, if you are Trump, would you purposely shield your conversations with Putin even from your own aides? Why would you take notes from a translator at one encounter and urge that person not to reveal what transpired -- even to your senior aides? Why would you, as Miller notes in his story, ensure that "there is no detailed record, even in classified files, of Trump's face-to-face interactions with the Russian leader at five locations over the past two years.

                          Add it up and you get this: If Trump really didn't do ANYTHING wrong in relation to Russia, the dumbest thing he could possibly do is what he did -- actively work to scotch the official record of any evidence of what he and Putin have talked about over the past two years. It's literally the most guilty looking thing he could do."

                          https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/14/polit...ler/index.html
                          Last edited by BlueK; 01-14-2019, 09:04 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by BlueK View Post
                            This piece does bring up some relevant questions about Trump's behavior:

                            "Even if you ignore all of those facts about the Mueller investigation, there's still one question I keep coming back to over the last 48 hours: Why did Trump go out of his way to ensure that no records of his meetings with Russian President Vladimir Putin exist?
                            These two paragraphs, from The Washington Post's Greg Miller, are staggering stuff:

                            "President Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with Russian President Vladimir Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials, current and former U.S. officials said....

                            "The constraints that Trump imposed are part of a broader pattern by the president of shielding his communications with Putin from public scrutiny and preventing even high-ranking officials in his own administration from fully knowing what he has told one of the United States' main adversaries."

                            WHAT?

                            Think of that decision for a minute. The dark cloud of Russia's involvement in the 2016 election has followed Trump since almost his first day in office. The US intelligence community concluded unanimously almost two years ago that the Russians actively sought to interfere in the election to help Trump and hurt Hillary Clinton. Any number of his past associates on the campaign -- and some within his administration -- have pleaded guilty to lying to Mueller about the nature and breadth of their of their interactions with the Russians. His top three campaign advisers -- Paul Manafort, Donald Trump Jr. and Jared Kushner -- met with Russians at Trump Tower in June 2016 under the promise that the Russians had dirt on Clinton. At a news conference following their summit in Helsinki, Trump sheltered Putin and Russia from blame in the election interference operations, insisting that the Russian president said he didn't do it and there was enough blame to go around on all sides.

                            There's more, but you get the idea. In a vacuum, the President of the United States going above and beyond to shield his communications with the Russian president would be concerning. Given what we know about the Trump campaign and Russia, it's downright alarming.

                            Now, back to my unanswered question: Why, if you are Trump, would you purposely shield your conversations with Putin even from your own aides? Why would you take notes from a translator at one encounter and urge that person not to reveal what transpired -- even to your senior aides? Why would you, as Miller notes in his story, ensure that "there is no detailed record, even in classified files, of Trump's face-to-face interactions with the Russian leader at five locations over the past two years.

                            Add it up and you get this: If Trump really didn't do ANYTHING wrong in relation to Russia, the dumbest thing he could possibly do is what he did -- actively work to scotch the official record of any evidence of what he and Putin have talked about over the past two years. It's literally the most guilty looking thing he could do."

                            https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/14/polit...ler/index.html
                            It almost makes it look like these meetings are like a performance review with this boss, or something.

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                            • On the same topic, here's an interesting opinion piece in USA Today by a professor at the Naval War College who concludes that Putin has very compromising information on Trump (more to do with the Russian mafia than with golden showers). And despite my GOP party affiliation, I strongly agree with his observation about Republican hypocrisy (and sure, hypocrisy is hardly unique to the Repubs):

                              Finally, it is exhausting but nonetheless necessary to point out again the titanic hypocrisy of the Republican Party and of Trump’s apologists in the conservative media. If President Barack Obama had shredded his notes of a meeting with the Iranian president, or if Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager were sitting in jail for lying about meeting a Chinese business associate — and alleged intelligence officer — to share polling data, that alone would have been enough for the GOP to impeach everyone from the president to the White House chef.

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                              • Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
                                On the same topic, here's an interesting opinion piece in USA Today by a professor at the Naval War College who concludes that Putin has very compromising information on Trump (more to do with the Russian mafia than with golden showers). And despite my GOP party affiliation, I strongly agree with his observation about Republican hypocrisy (and sure, hypocrisy is hardly unique to the Repubs):
                                Or if Hillary bit bleach 30,000+ emails... oh, wait.

                                What could be more compromising about Drumpf than what has already been talked about him in the press and that we already know?


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                                GIVE 'EM HELL, BRIGHAM!

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