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    It sounds like much of Trump's strategy on shadily dealing with Russiagate came from Manafort.

    Paul Manafort advised White House on how to attack and discredit investigation of President Trump
    We now have details as to how the indicted former campaign manager worked with the president to undermine federal law enforcement.


    Paul Manafort, who served as the manager for Donald Trump’s presidential campaign, provided advice to the president and senior White House officials on the FBI’s Russia investigation during the earliest days of the Trump administration. He gave guidance on how to undermine and discredit the FBI’s inquiry into whether the president, his campaign aides, and family members conspired with the Russian Federation and its intelligence services to covertly defeat Hillary Clinton during the 2016 campaign, according to government records and interviews with individuals familiar with the matter. Manafort himself was under criminal investigation by the FBI during this same time, a fact then known to the White House.

    Last Friday, special counsel Robert Mueller alleged in court filings that Manafort told “multiple discernible lies” to FBI agents and prosecutors, in violation of the cooperation agreement between Manafort and the special counsel’s office. Among those, Mueller charged, were lies by Manafort to investigators that he had not been in contact with anyone in the White House.

    “After signing the plea agreement, Manafort stated he had no direct or indirect communications with anyone in the administration while they were in the administration,” the special counsel said in a court pleading, “and that he never asked anyone to try and communicate a message to anyone in the administration on any subject.” Citing text messages, Manafort’s electronic records, and witness interviews, the special counsel wrote: “The evidence demonstrates that Manafort lied about his contacts.”

    Those contacts continued after Trump and his associates knew that Manafort was under investigation by the FBI; after he was indicted by two federal grand juries on more than two dozen felony counts of money laundering, bank fraud, tax evasion, and obstruction of justice; and after having been convicted by a federal jury of 10 of those felonies while awaiting trial on other charges. And now we have learned, thanks to reports from the New York Times and filings in federal court by the special counsel, that those contacts continued even after Manafort became a cooperating witness against the president. The court filings, however, did not disclose any information regarding the subjects of the contacts between Manafort and the White House.

    Manafort advised administration officials in the spring and summer of 2017 on how to politically undermine the FBI and Mueller investigation in three ways, according to government records and interviews with three people with knowledge of the contacts. He also gave them advice on how some of the witnesses against both him and the president might be discredited. In short, Manafort and Trump were working together to discredit the investigators as well as potential witnesses.

    Manafort urged the president to attack the FBI
    First, Manafort advised the president and his political surrogates to more aggressively and directly attack the FBI and other elements of the federal law enforcement apparatus investigating his administration. The goal of Manafort’s advice was to “delegitimize” the investigation itself, one person familiar with the advice explained to me. Manafort wanted nothing less than to “declare a public relations war on the FBI,” this same person said. Another goal was to discredit then-FBI Director James Comey and other senior FBI officials — as it had become increasingly likely they would be witnesses against the president.

    Trump later did just that, but it’s unclear what role, if any, Manafort’s advice played in the president deciding to go on the attack. Other, more influential advisers made similar recommendations to Trump. And Trump likely did not need to hear that advice from Manafort or anyone else. As first lady Melania Trump once said of her husband: “As you may know by now, when you attack him he will punch back 10 times harder.”

    Manafort also advised a senior administration official, through an intermediary, to attack the Justice Department, the FBI, and Obama administration officials for seeking court-authorized warrants under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to eavesdrop on Manafort and a second campaign aide to Trump, Carter Page, as part of counterintelligence and criminal investigations into whether Manafort, Page, and others had conspired with Russia to help Trump win the 2016 presidential election.

    FISA warrants are granted only when the court is presented with sufficient evidence that the person who would be the target of surveillance may be acting on behalf of a foreign power, and the legal threshold to obtain such a warrant is high. The Foreign Intelligence Service Court allowed for the electronic surveillance of Manafort prior to, and subsequent to, his role in the Trump campaign.

    Trump alleged that then-President Barack Obama authorized the wiretapping of him and his campaign aides as part of an “illegal” scheme to engage in political espionage. Such allegations have since become central to the president’s attacks on the Justice Department, the FBI, and the Mueller investigation — even though Trump and his allies have yet to produce any evidence to show that any of this is true.

    As part of these efforts, Trump and his allies on Capitol Hill — most notably, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA), the outgoing chair of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence — made public sensitive classified information that endangered the lives of intelligence sources and interfered with ongoing criminal investigations. In May 2018, the Justice Department wrote to Nunes warning that information he was about to make public would “risk severe consequences, including potential loss of human lives, damage to relationships with valued international partners, compromise of ongoing criminal investigations and interference with intelligence activities.” Nunes released much of the information anyway. Trump himself ordered the declassification of other intelligence information that law enforcement and intelligence officials warned would do similar damage.

    Attacking the use of FISA warrants had no effect on the outcome of Manafort’s criminal case. But a person with firsthand knowledge of Manafort’s thinking — and that of Manafort’s defense team — told me they believed discrediting the FISA process and, more broadly, the federal criminal investigation of him and other Trump campaign aides would make it more politically feasible for Trump to pardon Manafort.

    Manafort urged the president to attack the DNC
    Second, Manafort counseled the White House to allege — albeit with no evidence to back up said charges — that the pro-Western Ukrainian government had colluded with the Democratic National Committee to try to help Hillary Clinton win the 2016 presidential election. A source with direct knowledge of the matter told me that the White House adopted Manafort’s recommendation in the summer of 2017 to specifically target Alexandra Chalupa, a political strategist and consultant for the DNC, for allegedly working with Ukrainian officials to hurt Trump’s candidacy. Despite a torrent of allegations, no evidence has surfaced that Chalupa or the DNC did anything wrong.

    Acting on Manafort’s advice, on July 10, 2017, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders encouraged reporters to investigate how “the Democrat National Committee coordinated opposition research directly with the Ukrainian Embassy.” That same week, Fox News’s Sean Hannity amplified the allegations evening after evening on his show. Likewise, Republicans on Capitol Hill called for investigations of the “Ukrainian matter.” On July 25, 2017, Trump tweeted: “Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump campaign – ‘quietly working to boost Clinton.’ So where is the investigation A.G.”

    On August 9, 2017, Matthew Whitaker (now the acting attorney general) and a conservative advocacy group he then headed, the Foundation for Accountability and Civic Trust (FACT), formally asked the Federal Election Commission to investigate the DNC’s dealings with Chalupa. The complaint was largely based on scant evidence and erroneous information; the FEC has given no indication since that it will investigate the matter further.

    Even though the allegations had no factual basis to prove anything improper, they were effective propaganda. The White House made its claims shortly after the first public disclosures that Donald Trump Jr. had hosted a Trump Tower meeting between a self-described intermediary for the Russian Federation and himself, Jared Kushner, and Manafort, in which the Russians promised “dirt” on Clinton. The White House was attempting to draw a parallel between its meetings with foreigners and the DNC’s via Chalupa.

    But the comparison has always been a facile one, and the White House and its surrogates have not been able to prove any wrongdoing by their counterparts. The Russian Federation — an adversary of the United States — engaged in a covert intelligence effort to influence the outcome of the 2016 presidential election. Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort agreed to a meeting with individuals they were told were associated with the Russian government to obtain “dirt” on Clinton. Don Jr. in particular was acting on behalf of his father and his presidential campaign. It is illegal for a political campaign to accept any help from a foreign individual, foreign entity, or former government, and illegal not to disclose it; that is, in part, one of the reasons the Trump Tower meeting has also been a focus of special counsel Mueller’s investigation.

    Chalupa looked into Manafort’s role as an adviser to former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych — who wanted to cut ties with the European Union and become more closely aligned with Russia — and set out to sound the alarm. At one point, she even organized a protest in Manafort’s hometown of New Britain, Connecticut, in which protesters held up signs saying, “Putin, hands off the US election.” But those endeavors were unrelated to her work for the Democratic National Committee, where she had been the co-chair of the DNC’s affiliate the National Democratic Ethnic Coordinating Council during the 2016 presidential election.

    When Chalupa brought up Manafort with anyone at the DNC, they were largely disinterested, and in July 2016, she left her part-time consulting role at the DNC to work full time on her human rights advocacy. The DNC and the Clinton campaign have said that they were uninvolved with her efforts, and no evidence has surfaced to contradict that claim.

    Manafort urged the president to attack Clinton and the Steele dossier
    Third, in early 2017, Manafort provided the White House specific information on how Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign had sponsored research into ties between the Trump campaign and Russia. More specifically, Manafort provided information to the White House as to how to discredit the so-called Steele dossier, a report written by Christopher Steele, a former head of the Russia desk for the British intelligence agency MI6, about alleged ties that Trump and his associates had to Russia. (Manafort provided background to the White House’s attorneys about specific allegations and information in the dossier that he said was suspect.)

    Manafort also recommended that Trump play up the fact that the work had been commissioned by a private investigation firm hired by the Clinton campaign, according to a former administration official familiar with the effort.

    Manafort’s contacts with the White House continued even after his cooperation with Mueller. Without telling prosecutors, Manafort’s defense attorneys were secretly providing details of their client’s cooperation with the special counsel to the president’s legal team, in an apparent effort by Manafort to undermine the investigation or perhaps win a pardon from Trump. In the process, Manafort may have thus helped Trump tailor his answers to questions recently provided to the special counsel’s office.

    Harry Litman, a former US attorney and deputy assistant attorney general, has since commented: “The open pipeline between cooperator and suspect Trump may have been not on only extraordinary but also criminal. ... What purpose other than an attempt to ‘influence, obstruct, or impede’ the investigation of the president can be discerned from Manafort’s service as a double agent? And on the Trump side, the communications emit a strong scent of illegal witness tampering.”

    In short, in trying to cover up and maneuver for a pardon, Manafort and others may have committed even more crimes. Each “discernible lie” Manafort told is a potential new felony charge of lying to federal investigators, perjury, obstruction of justice, or combination thereof. Of obvious interest to the special counsel is whether others, most notably White House officials, conspired with Manafort to lie, mislead investigators, and possibly obstruct justice, and what, specifically, the president of the United States knew about all of this.
    https://www.vox.com/2018/12/14/18140...-investigation
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    Interesting.

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    It sounds like the judge was not too happy with Michael Flynn, and did not think him to be involved with a nothingburger.


    Did Flynn believe he was not guilty? Did he think he was entrapped by the FBI when they interviewed him without a defense attorney present? Had Mueller's team considered charging Flynn with other crimes, including treason?
    Flynn and the lawyers' answers to all of these questions were no.
    Yet Sullivan pressed on, his voice growing more shrill as he discussed Flynn's actions.
    Flynn lied even "in the presence of the White House," Sullivan added. "You can't minimize that."
    "I am not hiding my disgust, my disdain for your criminal offense," Sullivan said, pausing between each statement. "Yes, your honor," Flynn said. He was not asked a question.

    At one point, Sullivan wrongly suggested Flynn had acted as an illegal agent of a foreign government while serving as national security adviser. "That undermines everything this flag over here stands for. Arguably, you sold your country out," Sullivan said. Later, the judge walked that comment back, acknowledging that Flynn's unregistered lobbying for the Turkish government ended in November 2016, while Flynn worked on the Trump campaign and transition and before they took the White House.

    As much of the hearing unfolded and the tension in the room grew, there was little obvious reaction from members of the Flynn family, some of whom have embraced and amplified unfounded claims of FBI misconduct on their social media accounts. Many of them sat in the front row of the courtroom, and when the judge rhetorically asked if his "treason" implication was incorrect, some of Flynn's supporters loudly said, "Yes."

    Before the hearing, about a dozen family members and friends present had appeared to be in a good mood, with Flynn even telling his supporters as he entered the courtroom, "You made it."
    Trump himself had wished Flynn "good luck" in a Tuesday morning tweet, adding that it "will be interesting to see what he has to say."

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/18/polit...obe/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    It sounds like the judge was not too happy with Michael Flynn, and did not think him to be involved with a nothingburger.





    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/18/polit...obe/index.html
    the White House/Sean Hannity narrative on Flynn was blown up by the judge in spectacular fashion yesterday. The judge knowing everything the government has on Flynn called that "poor Flynn who was forced to lie by the FBI" nonsense, the BS it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    It sounds like the judge was not too happy with Michael Flynn, and did not think him to be involved with a nothingburger.





    https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/18/polit...obe/index.html
    It sounds like the judge was confused on exactly what Flynn had done, mistakenly accusing him of treason. I'm not sure that judge was all that well prepared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wapiti View Post
    It sounds like the judge was confused on exactly what Flynn had done, mistakenly accusing him of treason. I'm not sure that judge was all that well prepared.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wapiti View Post
    It sounds like the judge was confused on exactly what Flynn had done, mistakenly accusing him of treason. I'm not sure that judge was all that well prepared.
    The only thing the judge was confused about was whether Flynn was still officially on the Turkish payroll after becoming national security adviser.

    It doesn't change the fact that Flynn had a $600,000 contract with Turkey with as part of his service, to help illegally apprehend (kidnap) a dissident who is a long time permanent legal resident of the US. He was supposed to line up a couple of thugs to nab him and put him on a private plane to send him to Turkey because Erdogan officially blames him for last summer's coup attempt. The DOJ investigated him at the time at Turkey's request and declined to extradite because there was no evidence of him having committed any actual crimes. Thus the need for a kidnapping.

    And ironically there is actually some video of Flynn speaking at a Trump campaign event at the time of the attempted coup talking about how great it would be for the US for that coup to be successful. Here it is:

    https://www.turkishminute.com/2016/1...th-applauding/


    But, of course that was a few weeks prior to getting the offer to make some big bucks to change his view. What's good for the US be damned if you can make that kind of money, I guess.

    Then after becoming national security adviser he attempted again to get the DOJ to open up the investigation into the Turkish dissident and was told no because they had already done that and found nothing. The only item in question was whether Flynn was actually still on Erdogan's payroll or not. Flynn says not. But yet once in his official administration position he continued to try to do what he was supposed to get paid the money for and what was completely the opposite of what he thought was in the best interests of the US during the campaign and before they were paying him.

    To this day Trump has continued to try to get the DOJ to extradite the man without real cause.

    Oh yeah, I almost failed to mention that just like every other Trump administration official, Flynn didn't list a single foreign contact on his application for security clearance. Given the gig he had with Turkey it can't be remotely credible to believe he just forgot about that or his conversations with the Russian ambassador.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wapiti View Post
    It sounds like the judge was confused on exactly what Flynn had done, mistakenly accusing him of treason. I'm not sure that judge was all that well prepared.
    That’s a very creative way of reading it. The judges was pissed, and went out of his way to nail down that Flynn was bullied into false confessions. The judge expressed disgust toward Flynn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    That’s a very creative way of reading it. The judges was pissed, and went out of his way to nail down that Flynn was bullied into false confessions. The judge expressed disgust toward Flynn.
    Given what Flynn was doing for Turkey and the haziness around when that arrangement actually ended and the money involved and the fact that he was probably influencing US policy because of it, I think it's perfectly valid for the judge to have questioned whether he had been selling out.

    Another interesting point here is that two of Flynn's associates in the Turkey thing were indicted this week. Flynn who was arguably the most important figure in that ploy was not indicted, even though he was working with them. The reason Mueller gave for not recommending prison time was because Flynn had been of "significant" help on multiple investigations. I think it's a reasonable assumption that there is more to come. If Flynn had nothing to offer on other bigger fish, Mueller would have just gotten him on the lying and failing to register as a foreign agent and let him get his up to 5 years and moved on. Pretty likely there is something else there involving others that hasn't been revealed yet.
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    Russia Gloats: ‘Trump Is Ours Again’

    The Kremlin is awash with Christmas gifts from Washington, D.C. and every move by the Trump administration seems to add to that perception. On Wednesday, appearing on the Russian state TV show “The Evening with Vladimir Soloviev,” Director of the Moscow-based Center for Middle Eastern and Central Asian Studies Semyon Bagdasarov said that the U.S. Secretary of Defense James Mattis is “struggling to keep up” with the flurry of unexpected decisions by the U.S. President Donald Trump. The news that Mattis decided to step down sent shock waves across the world, being interpreted as “a dangerous signal” by America’s allies.

    Meanwhile, the Mattis departure is being cheered in Russia. Konstantin Kosachev, head of the Foreign Affairs Committee in the Upper House of the Russian Parliament, has said that “the departure of James Mattis is a positive signal for Russia, since Mattis was far more hawkish on Russia and China than Donald Trump.” Kosachev opined that Trump apparently considered his own agenda in dealing with Russia, China and America’s allies to be "more important than keeping James Mattis at his post," concluding: "That’s an interesting signal, and a more positive one” for Russia.

    Jubilation was even more apparent on Russia’s state television, which adheres closely to the Kremlin’s point of view. The host of the Russian state TV show “60 Minutes,” Olga Skabeeva asserted: “Secretary of Defense Mattis didn’t want to leave Syria, so Trump fired him. They are leaving Syria.”

    President Trump’s press secretary, Sarah Sanders, remarked: “The idea that Putin is happy about this [Trump's decision to withdraw US forces from Syria] is ridiculous. It puts them at a greater risk, so I think that's just silly.” To the contrary, the idea of an American withdrawal from Syria is being widely perceived in Russia as “a total dream come true” if it truly takes place.

    State TV host Olga Skabeeva surmised that Americans are “losers, since Putin has defeated them in every way.” With a theatrical sigh, her co-host, Evgeny Popov, added: “Trump is ours again—what are you going to do?” Every member of the sizeable audience enthusiastically clapped. While these statements are decidedly sarcastic, Russian opinion makers recount the Kremlin’s victories with unmistakable glee. Popov smirked: “It seems to Americans that we won on every front: the U.S. Secretary of Defense has been removed, we unquestionably secured a complete, unconditional victory in Syria.” Skabeeva chimed in: “They’re also planning to leave Afghanistan.”

    Popov pointed out: “On top of that, Rusal sanctions have been lifted with Trump’s hands.” Panelists of the show, including Russian lawmakers, couldn’t hide their satisfied grins. The reference was to the announcement that Trump’s Treasury Department intends to lift sanctions against the business empire of Oleg V. Deripaska, one of Russia’s most influential oligarchs, sanctioned for Russian interference in the U.S. elections.

    Texas Representative Lloyd Doggett told The New York Times that the move to lift Rusal sanctions amounted to Trump “sliding another big gift under Vladimir Putin’s Christmas tree.” The gesture is certainly being interpreted that way in Russia. Deripaska’s attorneys are reportedly mounting an aggressive campaign to pursue the removal of personal sanctions from the Putin-linked oligarch as well.

    Discussing the planned departure of the U.S. from Syria, state TV host Olga Skabeeva pondered why Trump suddenly decided to leave at this point in time: “Americans say, it’s because he is beholden to Putin. Is that logical? Yes, it is.”
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia...-is-ours-again

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    Mattis wants to continue to carpet bomb Afghanistan and Syria indefinitely. Trump says "No, thanks.", so naturally frank cites this as evidence that Trump is a traitor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Mattis wants to continue to carpet bomb Afghanistan and Syria indefinitely. Trump says "No, thanks.", so naturally frank cites this as evidence that Trump is a traitor.
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    Bizzaro word for sure. The GOP is trying to reduce the military presence abroad and the Dems are livid about it. Never thought I’d see the day.
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    Asserting Cohen was never in Prague has long been a talking point of the Devin Nunes crowd when it comes to the Steele dossier.


    Cell signal puts Cohen outside Prague around time of purported Russian meeting

    A mobile phone traced to President Donald Trump’s former lawyer and “fixer” Michael Cohen briefly sent signals ricocheting off cell towers in the Prague area in late summer 2016, at the height of the presidential campaign, leaving an electronic record to support claims that Cohen met secretly there with Russian officials, four people with knowledge of the matter say.

    During the same period of late August or early September, electronic eavesdropping by an Eastern European intelligence agency picked up a conversation among Russians, one of whom remarked that Cohen was in Prague, two people familiar with the incident said.

    The phone and surveillance data, which have not previously been disclosed, lend new credence to a key part of a former British spy’s dossier of Kremlin intelligence describing purported coordination between Trump’s campaign and Russia’s election meddling operation.

    The dossier, which Trump has dismissed as “a pile of garbage,” said Cohen and one or more Kremlin officials huddled in or around the Czech capital to plot ways to limit discovery of the close “liaison” between the Trump campaign and Russia.
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    This is hilarious. Trump cites Soviet propaganda to defend Russian invasion of Afghanistan. Somewhere Walter's head must be exploding.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...3T15%3A28%3A44

    “Russia used to be the Soviet Union,” he said.

    "Afghanistan made it Russia, because they went bankrupt fighting in Afghanistan. Russia … the reason Russia was in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They were right to be there. The problem is, it was a tough fight. And literally they went bankrupt; they went into being called Russia again, as opposed to the Soviet Union. You know, a lot of these places you’re reading about now are no longer part of Russia, because of Afghanistan.

    The reason Russia was in Afghanistan was because terrorists were going into Russia. They were right to be there."
    It’s amazing enough that any U.S. president would retrospectively endorse the Soviet invasion. What’s even more amazing is that he would do so using the very same falsehoods originally invoked by the Soviets themselves: “terrorists” and “bandit elements.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    This is hilarious. Trump cites Soviet propaganda to defend Russian invasion of Afghanistan. Somewhere Walter's head must be exploding.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...3T15%3A28%3A44
    "Putin-style glorification of the Soviet regime is entering the mind of the president, inspiring his words and—who knows—perhaps shaping his actions. How that propaganda is reaching him—by which channels, via which persons—seems an important if not urgent question. But maybe what happened yesterday does not raise questions. Maybe it inadvertently reveals answers."

    Lots of fun to come as the House starts doing some real hearings and investigations, and not just in Russia related matters. If they handle those well I think it's only a short matter of time before even significant chunks of Trump's base starts to peel off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    This is hilarious. Trump cites Soviet propaganda to defend Russian invasion of Afghanistan. Somewhere Walter's head must be exploding.
    Trump says something dumb, so we should stay in Afghanistan for 17 more years. You got me this time Lebowski!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Trump says something dumb, so we should stay in Afghanistan for 17 more years. You got me this time Lebowski!
    Logic fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Logic fail.
    I'm glad you picked up on your error. Can't wait for the next one: Trump says something dumb about Syria, ergo Walter's head will explode!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Logic fail.
    It's worse than just saying something dumb. Trump didn't just come up with crafted Russian propaganda on his own. Someone has to be feeding it to him.
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    Ha, Manafort sharing polling data with Russian official during the campaign. And, lying about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    Ha, Manafort sharing polling data with Russian official during the campaign. And, lying about it.
    Raises some questions for sure as to what Russia wanted to or did do with that kind of information. And from what I also read, this particular lie Manafort told Mueller came AFTER he had already agreed to cooperate with the investigation. So he's risking blowing up his whole deal and hope for limited punishment for all his crimes just to protect the fact that the campaign was sharing info with the Russians. You wouldn't think someone rational would do that if it was just nothing. Or he's protecting Trump thinking he could get a pardon. Still, that's not entirely smart either considering there are lots of state charges he could easily be stuck with that a pardon wouldn't affect.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/08/polit...sis/index.html

    "Beyond the fact that Manafort was in regular touch with Kilimnik, the unredacted court filings shed new light on the content of some of their conversations. For the first time, the public learned that Manafort shared "polling data" about the 2016 campaign with his Russian friend.
    "Issues and communications related to Ukrainian political events simply were not at the forefront of Mr. Manafort's mind during the period at issue and it is not surprising at all that Mr. Manafort was unable to recall specific details prior to having his recollection refreshed," Manafort's lawyers wrote. "The same is true with regard to the Government's allegation that Mr. Manafort lied about sharing polling data with Mr. Kilimnik related to the 2016 presidential campaign."

    There aren't any additional details -- all this tells us is that Mueller believes that Manafort fed polling data to Kilimnik, possibly even polls commissioned by the Trump campaign.

    Polling data is a key part of any modern political operation -- presidential campaigns and outside groups like super PACs spend millions of dollars on polls. These numbers can drive decisions on messaging, where to campaign and advertising, both on television and in the digital space.

    Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner and 2020 campaign manager Brad Parscale ran Trump's data team in 2016. They've publicly touted about how they used data to target voters.
    It's possible Manafort innocuously gave the polls to Kilimnik because he is a political junkie and wanted to dig into the crosstabs. But there's also a possibility that Kilimnik, with his active ties to Russian intelligence, funneled the information to Russian agents to influence the election.

    The primary suspect would be the "troll farm" in St. Petersburg that essentially acted as a pro-Trump super PAC and pumped out political propaganda to millions of Americans on social media during the 2016 race. These messages can be targeted to specific demographics based on polling data. There aren't any publicly known ties between Kilimnik and the troll farm."
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post

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    is this the new Trumpologist strategy? Hope he comes up for an impeachment vote before all the Russian dirt comes out in Congressional hearings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    is this the new Trumpologist strategy? Hope he comes up for an impeachment vote before all the Russian dirt comes out in Congressional hearings?
    Why wait for the lame Russian dirt? (i.e., "OMG... says here in Mueller's report that Drumpf talked to Putin!") Impeach him "for his high misdemeanors, which need not be a crime!"... I am holding the dems to keeping their campaign promises.
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    F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia

    In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.

    The inquiry carried explosive implications. Counterintelligence investigators had to consider whether the president’s own actions constituted a possible threat to national security. Agents also sought to determine whether Mr. Trump was knowingly working for Russia or had unwittingly fallen under Moscow’s influence.


    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/u...a-inquiry.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia


    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/11/u...a-inquiry.html
    hmm... I wonder why the FBI would do something like that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    hmm... I wonder why the FBI would do something like that?

    LOL! Great post! California taking on Russia. How do you come up with this stuff?!? Brilliant!

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