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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Playing it cool. I dig. So are you pouring the Vodka, or am I?
    That's the clear kind, right?
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    I just feel blessed Walter graces us with his presence and has taken time away from chaining himself to government installations in the name of world peace.

    He's our own Cindy Sheehan
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    I just feel blessed Walter graces us with his presence and has taken time away from chaining himself to government installations in the name of world peace.

    He's our own Cindy Sheehan
    You're welcome buddy.

    Compared to Ms. Sheehan, my accomplishments are legion! For example, I was able to pressure an obscure sports message board to downplay the so-called connection between the sitting President of the United States and Russian actors and change a thread title. The primary agitators that were stubbornly proliferating that nonsense subsequently capitulated and acquiesced to the thread title change. Pretty impressive stuff. Go me.
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    Manafort’s got a wimpy ass sentence. Hopefully his next sentencing is harsher. The lax treatment white collars guys seem to get is a stain on our criminal justice system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    I just feel blessed Walter graces us with his presence and has taken time away from chaining himself to government installations in the name of world peace.

    He's our own Cindy Sheehan
    Who was it that used to complain constantly that I was oh-so-snarky?
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Manafort’s got a wimpy ass sentence. Hopefully his next sentencing is harsher. The lax treatment white collars guys seem to get is a stain on our criminal justice system.
    4 years is a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Manafort’s got a wimpy ass sentence. Hopefully his next sentencing is harsher. The lax treatment white collars guys seem to get is a stain on our criminal justice system.
    We over incarcerate people in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    We over incarcerate some types of people in this country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    We over incarcerate people in this country.
    we do not overincarerate white collar criminals
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    we do not overincarerate white collar criminals
    Do you have any numbers to back that statement up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    Do you have any numbers to back that statement up?
    You think those guys serve sentences on par with drug crimes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    You think those guys serve sentences on par with drug crimes?
    Do you think white collar criminals are repeat offenders as often as drug criminals? Also, white collar criminals often have to earn money to pay restitution. It's tough to do that from jail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    You think those guys serve sentences on par with drug crimes?
    I'll take that as a no. It was an honest question, as I'm interested in the answer. White collar crimes are not tracked as a category as far as I can tell. It looks like there's around $35,000+ people incarcerated for "fraud" in the US, which is somewhere around 2.5% of our offenders. The UK also has about 2.5% of their offenders incarcerated for "fraud". That puts us on par with them as far as a percentage goes, but we incarcerate at five times the rate the UK does. That tells me that we still throw too many people in prison for fraud, whatever that means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    I'll take that as a no. It was an honest question, as I'm interested in the answer. White collar crimes are not tracked as a category as far as I can tell. It looks like there's around $35,000+ people incarcerated for "fraud" in the US, which is somewhere around 2.5% of our offenders. The UK also has about 2.5% of their offenders incarcerated for "fraud". That puts us on par with them as far as a percentage goes, but we incarcerate at five times the rate the UK does. That tells me that we still throw too many people in prison for fraud, whatever that means.
    That says nothing of the length of sentences, nor the conditions of the incarceration. Manafort will go less demeaning and much less awful place than someone convicted of drug offenses. I'm not sure why you're so skeptical about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    That says nothing of the length of sentences, nor the conditions of the incarceration. Manafort will go less demeaning and much less awful place than someone convicted of drug offenses. I'm not sure why you're so skeptical about it.
    The numbers are incarcerated people at a point in time. If the terms are short, more people are being convicted. So I'm not sure where you're going with that. For what Manafort was convicted, how long would you like to see him serve time? As for the living conditions in prison, I'd call that a separate issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    The numbers are incarcerated people at a point in time. If the terms are short, more people are being convicted. So I'm not sure where you're going with that. For what Manafort was convicted, how long would you like to see him serve time? As for the living conditions in prison, I'd call that a separate issue.
    He faced 24 years for his long term egregious criminal behavior. He was dishonest and lied to investigators. I would have happy with 9 or 10 years.

    I’m not sure if you understand. Part of my compliant is how easy these guy get off compared to other criminal behavior. It’s pretty obvious the system is tilted in the favor of the wealthy and white. If you don’t see that, I don’t know what to tell you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    He faced 24 years for his long term egregious criminal behavior. He was dishonest and lied to investigators. I would have happy with 9 or 10 years.

    I’m not sure if you understand. Part of my compliant is how easy these guy get off compared to other criminal behavior. It’s pretty obvious the system is tilted in the favor of the wealthy and white. If you don’t see that, I don’t know what to tell you.
    Ok, you convinced me. Let's all do that stupid Trump chant. "Lock him up! Lock him up!" Oh wait. He already is. Just know that if I'd broken the same laws as Hillary did, I'd be in prison. And no, I'm not advocating to lock her up either.

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    Prosecution/sentencing in the US Justice system depends on your proximity to power.

    See James Clapper. Lied to the Senate, admitted it, kept his job... now, ironically enough, hired by CNN ("The most trusted name in news").

    Counter examples are nearly innumerable, as frank notes.

    Read this excellent book by Chris Hayes... A Colony in a Nation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    Ok, you convinced me. Let's all do that stupid Trump chant. "Lock him up! Lock him up!" Oh wait. He already is. Just know that if I'd broken the same laws as Hillary did, I'd be in prison. And no, I'm not advocating to lock her up either.
    That wasn't all that relevant. Weird subject to be testy about.
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    Sounds like the owner of that rub and tug in Florida where Bob Craft and others got in trouble is a big time GOP donor. She sells access to Trump to Chinese businessmen.

    A Florida Massage Parlor Owner Has Been Selling Chinese Execs Access to Trump at Mar-a-Lago

    The latest Trump political donor to draw controversy is Li Yang, a 45-year-old Florida entrepreneur from China who founded a chain of spas and massage parlors that included the one where New England Patriots owner Bob Kraft was recently busted for soliciting prostitution. She made the news this week when the Miami Herald reported that last month she had attended a Super Bowl viewing party at Donald Trump’s West Palm Beach golf club and had snapped a selfie with the president during the event. Though Yang no longer owns the spa Kraft allegedly visited, the newspaper noted that other massage parlors her family runs have “gained a reputation for offering sexual services.” (She told the newspaper she has never violated the law.) Beyond this sordid tale, there is another angle to the strange story of Yang: She runs an investment business that has offered to sell Chinese clients access to Trump and his family. And a website for the business—which includes numerous photos of Yang and her purported clients hobnobbing at Mar-a-Lago, Trump’s private club in Palm Beach—suggests she had some success in doing so

    Yang, who goes by Cindy, and her husband, Zubin Gong, started GY US Investments LLC in 2017. The company describes itself on its website, which is mostly in Chinese, as an “international business consulting firm that provides public relations services to assist businesses in America to establish and expand their brand image in the modern Chinese marketplace.” But the firm notes that its services also address clients looking to make high-level connections in the United States. On a page displaying a photo of Mar-a-Lago, Yang’s company says its “activities for clients” have included providing them “the opportunity to interact with the president, the [American] Minister of Commerce and other political figures.” The company boasts it has “arranged taking photos with the President” and suggests it can set up a “White House and Capitol Hill Dinner.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Sounds like the owner of that rub and tug in Florida where Bob Craft and others got in trouble is a big time GOP donor. She sells access to Trump to Chinese businessmen.

    A Florida Massage Parlor Owner Has Been Selling Chinese Execs Access to Trump at Mar-a-Lago



    https://www.motherjones.com/politics...at-mar-a-lago/
    Were the donations in cash or in kind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    He faced 24 years for his long term egregious criminal behavior. He was dishonest and lied to investigators. I would have happy with 9 or 10 years.
    Maybe this will make you happy, Frank... This same judge gave Congressman Freezer Cash 13 years:

    U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III said he did take Jefferson's life history into account but that public corruption must be dealt with severely.


    "Public corruption is a cancer on the body politic," said Ellis, who lamented that so many other congressmen have been convicted on similar charges. "There must be some sort of greed virus that attacks those in power."
    I am guessing Judge T.S. Ellis III saw something good in Manafort and his "otherwise blameless life." So he cheated on his taxes a little... one out of nine Americans believe it is OK to fudge on taxes. Maybe even the Judge has done that a little now and then.

    "The defendant is a Category I in criminal history; that is, he has no criminal history. He is a graduate of a university and law school here, Georgetown for both, and he's lived an otherwise blameless life. And he's also earned the admiration of a number of people, all of whom have written the Court about him."
    I wonder how many people wrote the judge with admiration about Representative Freezer Cash?
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    When does this stuff become a concern?

    ELIJAH CUMMINGS SAYS DONALD TRUMP INVOLVED IN 'UNPRECEDENTED LEVEL OF STONEWALLING, DELAY AND OBSTRUCTION' IN HOUSE INVESTIGATIONS


    "I have sent 12 letters to the White House on a half-dozen topics—some routine and some relating to our core national security interests," Cummings wrote. "In response, the White House has refused to hand over any documents or produce any witnesses for interviews.

    "Let me underscore that point: The White House has not turned over a single piece of paper to our committee or made a single official available for testimony during the 116th Congress," Cummings said.

    While President Donald Trump has accused Democrats and their committees of "presidential harassment," Cummings maintained that "this has nothing to do with presidential harassment and everything to do with unprecedented obstruction."

    One of the most important investigations the House Oversight Committee is conducting is a review of White House security clearances, Cummings said. That review has been hampered by the White House's claims that Congress is not entitled to information about individual employees, Cummings said. That includes former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn, who pleaded guilty to lying about contact with Russians, current national security adviser John Bolton and Jared Kushner, Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser.

    "Instead, the White House offered to let us read—but not keep—a few pages of policy documents that have nothing to do with the officials we are investigating, along with a general briefing on those policies during which they will answer no questions about specific employees," Cummings said.

    The Oversight Committee had also faced difficulties carrying out its probe into Trump's hush money payments made in the lead-up to the 2016 election to buy the silence of women alleging to have had affairs with Trump, Cummings said.

    "Former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen provided copies of reimbursement checks signed long after Trump became president during our hearing with him, but the White House has refused to turn over any of the documents we requested. Instead, officials let us read 30 pages, about half of which were already public or entirely blacked out," Cummings said.

    He added that the White House had also refused to produce any documents or witnesses in response to other investigations being carried out by the oversight committee, including probes on White House officials' alleged use of personal email and allegations that the president may have violated the Presidential Records Act with the destruction of documents.

    The House committee has also been investigating reports from whistle-blowers accusing the Trump administration of a rushed transfer of sensitive nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia, potentially violating the Atomic Energy Act.

    "As a reminder of what used to be 'normal,' previous presidential administrations turned over tens of thousands of pages of documents in response to Oversight Committee investigations under both parties just a few years ago," Cummings said.

    For example, the White House under George W. Bush handed over more than 20,000 pages on Hurricane Katrina, the Oversight Committee chairman said. The Obama White House produced "many documents and emails" relating to the Solyndra controversy, "as well as witnesses and documents regarding the Benghazi, Libya, attacks, including communication between top White House officials and National Security Council staff.

    "By contrast, the complete refusal by the Trump White House to produce any documents or witnesses to the primary investigative committee in the House reflects a decision at the highest levels to deny congressional oversight altogether," Cummings said
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    When does this stuff become a concern?

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    It's not. We elected a king.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    It's not. We elected a king.
    A king with a defined shelf life.
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    A king with a defined shelf life.
    well, we hope. As we get closer to the election if the polls don't look good for him he's going to start up with his "election is rigged" garbage again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    well, we hope. As we get closer to the election if the polls don't look good for him he's going to start up with his "election is rigged" garbage again.
    It's gotta be rigged. You telling me people actually elected him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    It's gotta be rigged. You telling me people actually elected him?
    Electors elected him. I assume these "Electors" are actual people. (IDK, maybe they are robots that the Russians hacked?)

    Drumpf won about 2,600 counties compared to Clinton's something less than 500... Of course, she won 88 of the 100 most populated counties. Texas, BTW, has the most counties with 254. Therefore, I think we should get more of those Electors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Electors elected him. I assume these "Electors" are actual people. (IDK, maybe they are robots that the Russians hacked?)

    Drumpf won about 2,600 counties compared to Clinton's something less than 500... Of course, she won 88 of the 100 most populated counties. Texas, BTW, has the most counties with 254. Therefore, I think we should get more of those Electors.

    I see you, Blaine County.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    well, we hope. As we get closer to the election if the polls don't look good for him he's going to start up with his "election is rigged" garbage again.
    I mean he won't be "king" any longer than 8 years max. And don't start that thing about him wanting to abolish term limits. That is not going to happen.
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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