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Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostI'm not that cynical. I don't think it's a binary "empathy or no empathy" question. I understand the need to make decisions free of emotion, but I think empathy serves an important purpose in addressing certain issues and can be restorative following national tragedies.
In terms of a public tragedy, I'm not sure it matters. That's not the day-to-day function of a politician, even though it's not rare in a country as large as ours.
I am far removed from the average voter who may feel a need for reassurance following a public tragedy. Personally, I don't care what a politician tells me about it. I feel without a need for reassurance, and in fact feel manipulated when somebody who doesn't know me seeks to reassure me.
You may not be that cynical but it would be more helpful if our country were more cynical. We trust too much in terms of our politicians.
Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostNo doubt politicians are almost always calculating their responses, but I think there are times where the emotions are real. A good example is Lincoln (oops, aren't you one of the guys who dislikes Lincoln?). He was very calculating politically, but reading some of his letters and notes, and the comments of those nearest him, it's hard to believe he didn't have genuine empathy at times, which I think served him well.
Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostMore recently, Reagan at Dover Air Force Base or following the Challenger disaster showed, I think, genuine empathy. But I concede he was an actor and a politician. I just don't see the same kind of empathy coming from Drumpf, nor do I think that's a good thing.
Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostI think most good human beings have empathy; going into politics doesn't have to eliminate that, or so I would hope.
Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostWhen I mentioned his love of ratings, I didn't mean to imply his comment related to the Nielsens; rather, I meant ratings in a broader, quantitative sense. For Trump, it's always a superficial appeal to superlatives, whether crowd size, electoral college victory margin, duration of applause, length of one's manhood, etc. I think his initial comment about the the soldier was nice, but Trump always drives on to a superlative too far.
I agree his use of superlatives is maddening. He has no savoir faire as concerns public speaking.Last edited by Topper; 03-02-2017, 01:53 PM."Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."
Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.
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What if a democrat had been elected President amid rumors of a hostile foreign power hacking their way into our country for the purpose of manipulating our presidential election, and the now elected president throughout the campaign continued to make weird statements praising the dictator leader of that hostile foreign power which made no sense to anyone in this country of either party?
And then more rumors came out that this president's campaign team had continuous communications during the campaign with the hostile foreign power. Oh yeah, and the new president's chief security advisor was caught on tape with the Russians discussing removing sanctions placed on them for their bad behavior. Then he lied about it. Are we to believe the republicans in Congress wouldn't be trying to investigate the hell out of all this? Why not just let the process play out.
If any of these rumors are true it should be troubling to us, shouldn't it? Last I checked, Russia's interests in Europe (like invading their neighbors) don't really coincide that well with ours. Or is Russia suddenly good because the "so-called" Republican won the election and he says they're cool?Last edited by BlueK; 03-02-2017, 02:31 PM.
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What I'm wondering is, for those who don't want this stuff to be investigated, is it because:
1. None of this is true. If it were, it wouldn't be so good, but it's not true, so move on
Or is it:
2. Even if it is true, who cares if the Russians are trying to influence our elections, possibly buying off our leaders, and who knows what else. It's not really a bad thing.
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Originally posted by BlueK View PostWhat if a democrat had been elected President amid rumors of a hostile foreign power hacking their way into our country for the purpose of manipulating our presidential election, and the now elected president throughout the campaign continued to make weird statements praising the dictator leader of that hostile foreign power which made no sense to anyone in this country of either party?
And then more rumors came out that this president's campaign team had continuous communications during the campaign with the hostile foreign power. Oh yeah, and the new president's chief security advisor was caught on tape with the Russians discussing removing sanctions placed on them for their bad behavior. Then he lied about it. Are we to believe the republicans in Congress wouldn't be trying to investigate the hell out of all this? Why not just let the process play out.
If any of these rumors are true it should be troubling to us, shouldn't it? Last I checked, Russia's interests in Europe (like invading their neighbors) don't really coincide that well with ours. Or is Russia suddenly good because the "so-called" Republican won the election and he says they're cool?"Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."
Upon rejecting the Beatles, Dick Rowe told Brian Epstein of the January 1, 1962 audition for Decca, which signed Brian Poole and the Tremeloes instead.
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Originally posted by BlueK View PostWhat if a democrat had been elected President amid rumors of a hostile foreign power hacking their way into our country for the purpose of manipulating our presidential election, and the now elected president throughout the campaign had continued to make weird statements praising the dictator leader of that hostile foreign power which made no sense to anyone in this country of either party?
And then more rumors came out that this president's campaign team had continuous communications during the campaign with the hostile foreign power. Oh yeah, and the new president's chief security advisor was caught on tape with the Russians discussing removing sanctions placed on them for their bad behavior. Then he lied about it. Are we to believe the republicans in Congress wouldn't be trying to investigate the hell out of all this? Why not just let the process play out.
If any of these rumors are true it should be troubling to us, shouldn't it? Last I checked, Russia's interests in Europe (like invading their neighbors) don't really coincide that well with ours. Or is Russia suddenly good because the "so-called" Republican won the election and he says they're cool?
I wonder which Northeastern town will be the first to fall... and renamed to Putingrad.
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Originally posted by Topper View PostBut we were told by Obama that Russia wasn't our enemy. Remember how Obama laughed it off when Romney asserted it? First they are not, now they are?Last edited by BlueK; 03-02-2017, 02:45 PM.
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Originally posted by BlueK View PostWhat if a democrat had been elected President amid rumors of a hostile foreign power hacking their way into our country for the purpose of manipulating our presidential election, and the now elected president throughout the campaign continued to make weird statements praising the dictator leader of that hostile foreign power which made no sense to anyone in this country of either party?
And then more rumors came out that this president's campaign team had continuous communications during the campaign with the hostile foreign power. Oh yeah, and the new president's chief security advisor was caught on tape with the Russians discussing removing sanctions placed on them for their bad behavior. Then he lied about it. Are we to believe the republicans in Congress wouldn't be trying to investigate the hell out of all this? Why not just let the process play out.
If any of these rumors are true it should be troubling to us, shouldn't it? Last I checked, Russia's interests in Europe (like invading their neighbors) don't really coincide that well with ours. Or is Russia suddenly good because the "so-called" Republican won the election and he says they're cool?
You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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Originally posted by Topper View PostBut we were told by Obama that Russia wasn't our enemy. Remember how Obama laughed it off when Romney asserted it? First they are not, now they are?You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View PostPresident Obama did a great deal of harm to our relationship with Russia, which probably would have only been outdone by a President Hillary Clinton.
Never mind, you probably like the killing journalists part. (TIC, mostly)
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Originally posted by BlueK View PostWhat if a democrat had been elected President amid rumors of a hostile foreign power hacking their way into our country for the purpose of manipulating our presidential election, and the now elected president throughout the campaign continued to make weird statements praising the dictator leader of that hostile foreign power which made no sense to anyone in this country of either party?
And then more rumors came out that this president's campaign team had continuous communications during the campaign with the hostile foreign power. Oh yeah, and the new president's chief security advisor was caught on tape with the Russians discussing removing sanctions placed on them for their bad behavior. Then he lied about it. Are we to believe the republicans in Congress wouldn't be trying to investigate the hell out of all this? Why not just let the process play out.
If any of these rumors are true it should be troubling to us, shouldn't it? Last I checked, Russia's interests in Europe (like invading their neighbors) don't really coincide that well with ours. Or is Russia suddenly good because the "so-called" Republican won the election and he says they're cool?
You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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Originally posted by BlueK View PostDid Putin killing journalists and political opponents and invading a neighboring country not have anything to do with that?
Never mind, you probably like the killing journalists part. (TIC, mostly)You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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Pretty tough to achieve hyperbole when Putin is involved. The guy is pure evil."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
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Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View PostIt doesn't matter if it results in nothing or not; at least for the Democratic leaders spearheading this witch hunt. This entire matter does nothing more than allow the Dems to avoid confronting the ugly truth about how and why they failed to win the Presidency against the worst-qualified presidential candidate in my lifetime (your lifetime too I'd bet). Do you think the DNC is engaged in any self-critique about the absolutely disgusting behaviors that those leaked e-mails revealed? Hardly. Too busy looking under every bed for a Rooskie.
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Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View PostPretty tough to achieve hyperbole when Putin is involved.
This is the same shit, just a different decade.You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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