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    You guys are watching weekly press briefings?
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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    I didn't see it. Was it Stephen 3rd Reich Miller?
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    Better crack down on student visas!

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/...idterms-652246

    Among the fresh ideas being circulated: tightening rules on student visas and exchange programs; limiting visas for temporary agricultural workers; making it harder for legal immigrants who have applied for any welfare programs to obtain residency; and collecting biometric data from visitors from certain countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    I didn't see it. Was it Stephen 3rd Reich Miller?
    They postponed it by six hours, but the sun was still up, so they had to bring in Kristen with all the e’s and a j instead.


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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    Because I'm too lazy to look it up, is the TA doing anything different with illegal immigrant families than the OA? I'm not in favor of it either way, but I'm pretty liberal when it comes to immigration. I do think that the press should judge all administrations equally on the issue, though.

    Sure, they're breaking the law. But honestly, how serious is it? If they come here to leach off the system or commit more serious crimes, that's one thing. Coming here just to get a decent job is another. Like every other black market, the black market of immigration is created by a government that warps incentives. Getting back to the question, though, where did this idiocy start, and has it changed under Trump, or is it just getting more press because he's Trump and broadly disliked by the media?

    Nope it's a new policy. Entry Without Inspection is a misdemeanor whose prosecution has always been deferred b/c it has no teeth on a first time offense. Those cases are deferred to DHS for removal proceedings, where a person will assert the right to apply for asylum, be detained or post bond, etc etc etc.

    NOW, under Jeff Sessions, they figured out that if they charge those first time offenders, they have to refer them to federal detention and their kids can't go with them. That triggers a result that is so severe that the majority aren't likely to assert their right to asylum. Basically state-sponsored genocide (which forcible family separation is, to get technical.) Yeah Trump isn't well-liked, and this exclusive Trump policy is part of the reason why. And Trump claiming it's all the Democrats' faults is a new level of just fuck off, Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    Nope it's a new policy. Entry Without Inspection is a misdemeanor whose prosecution has always been deferred b/c it has no teeth on a first time offense. Those cases are deferred to DHS for removal proceedings, where a person will assert the right to apply for asylum, be detained or post bond, etc etc etc.

    NOW, under Jeff Sessions, they figured out that if they charge those first time offenders, they have to refer them to federal detention and their kids can't go with them. That triggers a result that is so severe that the majority aren't likely to assert their right to asylum. Basically state-sponsored genocide (which forcible family separation is, to get technical.) Yeah Trump isn't well-liked, and this exclusive Trump policy is part of the reason why. And Trump claiming it's all the Democrats' faults is a new level of just fuck off, Trump.
    Thanks. So what was the picture being circulated that turned out to be an Obama era photo all about? Again, not that it matters.

    It's hard for me to wrap my head around arresting people who try to come here legally by requesting asylum. I think Trump is a bigot, but I also think his primary motivation is to pander to his base. That in itself is bizarre, because I'd guess the majority of his base would disapprove if they really understood the issue.

    This is where the media became the boy who cried wolf. They showed an O-era photo to begin with, are rabid about all things Trump, so I think many have assumed it was another case of the media making a big deal out of something that really isn't. It's tragic, because this is something that the media could really influence if 60% of the voters didn't think they were just shills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    Nope it's a new policy. Entry Without Inspection is a misdemeanor whose prosecution has always been deferred b/c it has no teeth on a first time offense. Those cases are deferred to DHS for removal proceedings, where a person will assert the right to apply for asylum, be detained or post bond, etc etc etc.

    NOW, under Jeff Sessions, they figured out that if they charge those first time offenders, they have to refer them to federal detention and their kids can't go with them. That triggers a result that is so severe that the majority aren't likely to assert their right to asylum. Basically state-sponsored genocide (which forcible family separation is, to get technical.) Yeah Trump isn't well-liked, and this exclusive Trump policy is part of the reason why. And Trump claiming it's all the Democrats' faults is a new level of just fuck off, Trump.
    gtfo with your uninformed jerkoff opinion. it’s not like this stuff is your livelihood and you know it like the back of your hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    This is where the media became the boy who cried wolf. They showed an O-era photo to begin with, are rabid about all things Trump, so I think many have assumed it was another case of the media making a big deal out of something that really isn't. It's tragic, because this is something that the media could really influence if 60% of the voters didn't think they were just shills.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    Thanks. So what was the picture being circulated that turned out to be an Obama era photo all about? Again, not that it matters.

    It's hard for me to wrap my head around arresting people who try to come here legally by requesting asylum. I think Trump is a bigot, but I also think his primary motivation is to pander to his base. That in itself is bizarre, because I'd guess the majority of his base would disapprove if they really understood the issue.

    This is where the media became the boy who cried wolf. They showed an O-era photo to begin with, are rabid about all things Trump, so I think many have assumed it was another case of the media making a big deal out of something that really isn't. It's tragic, because this is something that the media could really influence if 60% of the voters didn't think they were just shills.

    Actually, yes, this was happening in limited occurrences under Obama. His calling card was the opposite of family separation but still the very awful "family detention"(also known as 'baby jail'- google that one) where entire families were detained for indefinite periods of time and kids were literally growing up in jail; taking their first steps, celebrating birthdays, etc. Disgusting, right? And yes, sometimes unaccompanied kids were detained in awful conditions so it doesn't surprise me that pic is from 2014.

    However (deep breath) ... this is happening a hundred fold now. The government is literally renting out an abandoned Wal Mart in Texas to detain hundreds of kids in makeshift kennels. They are working on an outdoor "tent city" in El Paso for kids. Fun!! The government just released "official" video of the conditions after multiple lawmakers from around the country demanded entrance to the facilities. I gotta say the conditions are not flattering. Flat concrete to sleep on, metal bleachers to sit on, and foil space blankets for warmth. There are now thousands of kids without their parents at the most tender part of their lives-- some as young as 4 years old just chilling in these glammed up dog pounds. They tell the parents they are going to take the kids for a bath and then the kids just vanish and the parents are taken away. Young siblings in these "care" facilities for minors, huddling and crying for their parents are ordered to "not hug" and are separated. What the media has gotten wrong honestly did not alter the narrative in any meaningful way. I just don't think things could be going any worse with this administration, but then they've proven me wrong every single time I've said that before.

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    Thanks, commando. This sucks. How long will it take for courts to right it? Also, are they entitled to legal counsel? What a mess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    This is where the media became the boy who cried wolf. They showed an O-era photo to begin with, are rabid about all things Trump, so I think many have assumed it was another case of the media making a big deal out of something that really isn't. It's tragic, because this is something that the media could really influence if 60% of the voters didn't think they were just shills.
    This summarizes perfectly the influence right-wing media has had on the electorate. Trump’s most offensive and immoral policies are automatically judged through a media bias filter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    This summarizes perfectly the influence right-wing media has had on the electorate. Trump’s most offensive and immoral policies are automatically judged through a media bias filter.
    Does that make the biased media partly responsible for Trump? And would that be ironic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    Does that make the biased media partly responsible for Trump? And would that be ironic?
    trump gets treated exactly how he deserves. negative press when he sucks. good press when he is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    Does that make the biased media partly responsible for Trump? And would that be ironic?
    I’ll defer to the irony sheriff on this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    This summarizes perfectly the influence right-wing media has had on the electorate. Trump’s most offensive and immoral policies are automatically judged through a media bias filter.
    And in this entire conversation, this is the comment you want to discuss? This summarizes perfectly why I'm correct. Only the 20 percent on each end of the Trump spectrum look at the media as unbiased. Everyone else sees pretty clearly that there isn't an unbiased major media outlet.

    Maximus is probably right that Trump gets what he deserves, but not a day of the Trump presidency has gone by without CNN and MSNBC whining about something Trump. Not even the handful of Republicans that work at these outlets say anything positive. Fox, on the other hand, is typically all right all the time. Nobody can be believed, and I stopped watching the news years ago. The print media aren't much better, but the opinion pieces at least admit bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    And in this entire conversation, this is the comment you want to discuss? This summarizes perfectly why I'm correct. Only the 20 percent on each end of the Trump spectrum look at the media as unbiased. Everyone else sees pretty clearly that there isn't an unbiased major media outlet.

    Maximus is probably right that Trump gets what he deserves, but not a day of the Trump presidency has gone by without CNN and MSNBC whining about something Trump. Not even the handful of Republicans that work at these outlets say anything positive. Fox, on the other hand, is typically all right all the time. Nobody can be believed, and I stopped watching the news years ago. The print media aren't much better, but the opinion pieces at least admit bias.
    Opinion pieces are known what they are. But the bias comes in the selection of topics and stories mostly, not as much on the actual facts. Fox for example doesn't have a single story on their front page right now about the family separation happening at the border. It seems like kind of an important story, but if you only read Fox you might not know there were several GOP senators that made some comments yesterday about their disagreement with the president on the issue, including Ted Cruz. Do they really think it's not news? It's more like they wish it weren't news. I would say Fox has shifted over the last two years from being mainstream conservative leaning to hard Trumpist, which isn't the same thing.

    That said, I don't think the news, even some sources I don't care for like Fox are as biased as most people just automatically think they are. And even if they are, I think people should follow them anyway to get a contrast and then make up their own minds. I like realclearpolitics because you can find opinion pieces on there from all angles. I don't agree with most of the Trump apology stuff, but I do read them. It's a danger to maintaining a free press and country when the public refuses to listen to all sides. And Gerrymandering is the political mechanism in place right now for training our politicians not to listen to the other side, which is probably even worse.
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    TBH, they probably don’t need anything more than space blankets for warmth in south Texas right now
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    Oh, good old Lou Dobbs. Is the hardest of hardline stances against all immigration, even legal, really a winning strategy politically?

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...cs-highlights/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Opinion pieces are known what they are. But the bias comes in the selection of topics and stories mostly, not as much on the actual facts. Fox for example doesn't have a single story on their front page right now about the family separation happening at the border. It seems like kind of an important story, but if you only read Fox you might not know there were several GOP senators that made some comments yesterday about their disagreement with the president on the issue, including Ted Cruz. Do they really think it's not news? It's more like they wish it weren't news. I would say Fox has shifted over the last two years from being mainstream conservative leaning to hard Trumpist, which isn't the same thing.

    That said, I don't think the news, even some sources I don't care for like Fox are as biased as most people just automatically think they are. And even if they are, I think people should follow them anyway to get a contrast and then make up their own minds. I like realclearpolitics because you can find opinion pieces on there from all angles. I don't agree with most of the Trump apology stuff, but I do read them. It's a danger to maintaining a free press and country when the public refuses to listen to all sides. And Gerrymandering is the political mechanism in place right now for training our politicians not to listen to the other side, which is probably even worse.
    I agree with all of this. I think the bias in most hard news is unintentional, and arises from the perspective the reporter is looking at the story from. Trump did a 'hold my beer' on Obama's polarizing tenure, and reporters feel more strongly about his presidency than any other in the television age. The stronger the feelings, the more the angle of the story skews. I can accept this kind of bias, but it's the intentionally misleading stories that really damage my faith in the media. These are admittedly less common, but I consider it a big deal when it happens. The media are the people's eyes and ears, and when they break the trust they are granted I consider it an egregious abuse of power, particularly when they present themselves as unbiased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Oh, good old Lou Dobbs. Is the hardest of hardline stances against all immigration, even legal, really a winning strategy politically?

    https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...cs-highlights/
    Yeah, republicans are heartless basturds. I wonder what Clinton-Kaine would have done about the illegal immigrant children problem...



    OMG... they wouldn't even give them a Walmart to sleep in! Dems are heartless basturds too! No wonder I keep wasting my vote on a third party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    Thanks, commando. This sucks. How long will it take for courts to right it? Also, are they entitled to legal counsel? What a mess.
    There is no right to counsel for civil proceedings, which is what removal proceedings are. They could hire their own attorney to represent them, but obviously the vast majority quite inadequately represent themselves in complex asylum cases. I imagine the pendulum will swing the other way like it tends to do, but not quick enough to really help the thousands of affected children at this point. I'm heartened to see pretty much the whole country outraged and only the cream of the crop Trump ass kissers defending what's going on. Sessions got too bold and really stepped in it this time. Trump inches ever closer to his stated brag that he'd be able to shoot somebody on 5th Avenue in broad daylight...
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    Returning the question, what legal remedies do the asylum seekers have? I'd think there is some option available for them, as well as those who simple come to the border trying to immigrate the old fashioned way? Also, is this happening to everyone presenting themselves at the border for entry? How widespread is it? I'm too lazy to look very hard, but didn't find much in a 30-second search.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    TBH, they probably don’t need anything more than space blankets for warmth in south Texas right now
    Yeah but it's a piece of foil- they couldn't even afford the decency of actual cloth for kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    Returning the question, what legal remedies do the asylum seekers have? I'd think there is some option available for them, as well as those who simple come to the border trying to immigrate the old fashioned way? Also, is this happening to everyone presenting themselves at the border for entry? How widespread is it? I'm too lazy to look very hard, but didn't find much in a 30-second search.
    Well.. asylum, first and foremost- (also two lesser forms of relief called Withholding of Removal and relief under the Convention Against Torture or "CAT"). That is articulating a fear of returning to your country because of persecution or torture on account of your race, ethnicity, political beliefs, or religious beliefs perpetuated by the government or that the government will not or is powerless to prevent. In fact, the vast majority of people who just up and leave and head to the U.S. border unannounced are asylum seekers (yes there is a class of migrant workers but they are their own thing and largely from Mexico, whereas would-be asylees are Central American generally speaking). And it doesn't matter if they present themselves at the border or cross without inspection-- they have a year to file an asylum application. If they prevail they are classified as an asylee and are eligible for a green card in a year. It's very telling that Sessions has been reassigning Board of Immigration Appeals cases to himself to reshape asylum and create nationwide precedent that would pare it down substantially. That is the whole motive behind the separation policy. They aren't trying to stem border crossings- just asylum applications.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    Yeah but it's a piece of foil- they couldn't even afford the decency of actual cloth for kids.
    It was a sarcastic joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Yeah, republicans are heartless basturds. I wonder what Clinton-Kaine would have done about the illegal immigrant children problem...



    OMG... they wouldn't even give them a Walmart to sleep in! Dems are heartless basturds too! No wonder I keep wasting my vote on a third party.
    THIS ISNT A TOPIC ON CLINTON

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    THIS ISNT A TOPIC ON CLINTON
    Yes, correct... that is actually Tim Kaine.
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    Nobody thinks Democrats are good at all on immigration. It's not politically expedient for any party to do anything about it, so Democrats usually throw them to the wolves low key as a concession to reach across the aisle. Clinton and Obama both exemplify this spectacularly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Yeah, republicans are heartless basturds. I wonder what Clinton-Kaine would have done about the illegal immigrant children problem...



    OMG... they wouldn't even give them a Walmart to sleep in! Dems are heartless basturds too! No wonder I keep wasting my vote on a third party.
    Legal vs. illegal. Trump wants the "slam the door the hell shut to everyone" policy.

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