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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    I think this situation perfectly illustrates the hypocrisy in politics. The problem here is that congress doesn't have the nerve or ability to advocate for and adopt decriminalization measures, which include revisions to a host of federal statutes, so they allowed an executive to direct a lack of enforcement of those laws. This allows states to do what they want with no political danger for congressman but also encourages disrespect for the law and proper process. It boggles my mind that we think Sessions or Trump is at fault here. It amazes me that a Senator from Colorado is incensed that the federal government would enforce its laws, the very laws that the Senate passed! Look, if we want to decriminalize it then we should decriminalize as opposed to un-enforce. The current approach is nothing more than looking the other way most of the time while leaving open the occasional instance of selective enforcement (which then allows racists and jerks to act like such while doing so entirely within the law). We could also leave it up to the states to do what they want, which is what Trump first said on the campaign trail. But any of the proper solutions requires congress to have the courage of its convictions and to legislate from a leadership role, instead of from a following role. Either way, it should never be the president's or the DOJ's job to decide which set of laws to enforce or which ones to ignore. They should enforce all the laws to the extent possible. It is Congress' job to create or amend the laws.

    I think Ted's point was that this will force Congress to finally decide if it is going to decrim or not. Which it should have done a long time ago.
    there was nothing wrong with the look the other way policy. It worked just fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    there was nothing wrong with the look the other way policy. It worked just fine
    Which other laws are you okay if the government looks the other way on?
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Which other laws are you okay if the government looks the other way on?
    anything that makes logical sense. It does it on dozens of things already. Do you want every illegal immigrant deported?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    there was nothing wrong with the look the other way policy. It worked just fine
    No it doesn’t. It is a completely wrongheaded approach in our system. We like to say we are a system of laws and we should be and we can only succeed when we are. The ‘look the other way’ approach is absolutely the opposite of that ideal. It was created because congress was hamstrung between those for and against decrim and so refused to act and because we had an administration who wanted to be popular among its base and so just went ahead and told justice to act like congress had acted. This undermines the legitimacy of not only drug laws but of ALL federal laws you might disagree with. But it simultaneously and ironically still undermines the states rights position because states can only do what justice chooses to allow them to do not as a result of a legislated limit but as a result of an arbitrary choice by justice itself! Plus, the laws can also be arbitrarily enforced as a punitive measure or a selective measure to coerce unrelated behaviors. Taken together this creates an environment where respect for our laws, law enforcement and our system itself is lost.

    I think weed should be decriminalized but only if done through the system. As it stands now, we are losing the system and it’s legitimacy in a haze of smoke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    anything that makes logical sense. It does it on dozens of things already. Do you want every illegal immigrant deported?
    No. I want laws that make sense. This is another good example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    anything that makes logical sense. It does it on dozens of things already. Do you want every illegal immigrant deported?
    No. But I'd prefer a law well written and enforced, as opposed one that is poorly written and therefore ignored.
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    anything that makes logical sense. It does it on dozens of things already. Do you want every illegal immigrant deported?
    You know, honestly, I am surprised you think this is a fine approach. This is a greater threat to the balance of powers in our government than almost all of the other things we whine about put together. Like currency, the notions of balanced powers and of a fair process only work if we believe in them. Selective non-enforcement completely undermines faith in our laws and steals both the power and responsibility of congress (and thus the people) and imbues it in the executive which, as we have seen in this cycle, may not be the best place for it.
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    I think Creek is right on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
    I think Creek is right on this one.
    As do I. The current do nothing look the other way disregards the rule of law. Congress should do its duty and make some decisions.
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    Lots of people in Trump world cry and/or beg for their job back after getting fired:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    Lots of people in Trump world cry and/or beg for their job back after getting fired:

    Not sure an eighth-grader could improve on that tweet.

    Saw an interview with the author this morning. Sounds like an interesting book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Not sure an eighth-grader could improve on that tweet.

    Saw an interview with the author this morning. Sounds like an interesting book.
    I got in the waiting list for the book from the library this morning. They had 20 copies at that time, I was#663 on the waiting list. May not be reading it for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPiney View Post
    I got in the waiting list for the book from the library this morning. They had 20 copies at that time, I was#663 on the waiting list. May not be reading it for a while.
    In the interview they asked him what he thought about Trump threatening to sue him to keep the book from being released to the public. He said he was thrilled. Best possible marketing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    In the interview they asked him what he thought about Trump threatening to sue him to keep the book from being released to the public. He said he was thrilled. Best possible marketing.
    Totally. I really don't care for politics at all, but this seemed like fun. I mainly read fiction, so maybe I am not deviating too far from that with this book anyway.

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    The book raises (or adds fuel to) a number of concerns about Drumpf, but I was reassured by one of his early morning tweets today:

    Actually, throughout my life, my two greatest assets have been mental stability and being, like, really smart.
    A sixth grader could not have responded with greater eloquence, but then he's, like, really smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    The book raises (or adds fuel to) a number of concerns about Drumpf, but I was reassured by one of his early morning tweets today:


    A sixth grader could not have responded with greater eloquence, but then he's, like, really smart.
    That was an unbelievable three-tweet run. The guy is nuts.
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    A little matching game for your Saturday afternoon pleasure:

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    the funny thing about the book is that while they can claim all they want that it isn't true, I think a reasonable person just listening to Trump speak and reading his tweets would have a hard time not admitting everything in there is beyond plausible. Then you have people with good reputations like Senator Corker already having made comments like the WH is "adult daycare." I don't know how you can't conclude this presidency is a complete mess, regardless of your party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPiney View Post
    I got in the waiting list for the book from the library this morning. They had 20 copies at that time, I was#663 on the waiting list. May not be reading it for a while.
    Library upped its number of copies to 220. Now I am only #509 on the waiting list. I'll be reading it in less than a month, not a year like it was looking before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    the funny thing about the book is that while they can claim all they want that it isn't true, I think a reasonable person just listening to Trump speak and reading his tweets would have a hard time not admitting everything in there is beyond plausible. Then you have people with good reputations like Senator Corker already having made comments like the WH is "adult daycare." I don't know how you can't conclude this presidency is a complete mess, regardless of your party.
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    Tillerson and Mattis are reportedly trying to hold Trump back from striking North Korea


    The Trump administration is debating a "bloody nose" attack on North Korea, recent reports say, with the president's inner circle split and apparently teetering between endorsing a strike and holding out hope for diplomacy.

    Both The Telegraph and The Wall Street Journal have portrayed Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Secretary of Defense James Mattis as trying to caution President Donald Trump against a strike, and the national security adviser, H.R. McMaster, as advocating it.

    The reports come after months of mixed messages and dozens of shifts in the US's stance on North Korea.

    The bloody-nose strategy, which calls for a sharp, violent response to some North Korean provocation, puts a lot of weight on the US's properly calibrating an attack on North Korea and Pyongyang's reading the limited strike as anything other than the opening salvo of an all-out war.

    For that reason, even the limited strike envisioned by North Korea hawks carries a tremendous risk of global — and possibly nuclear — catastrophe.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPiney View Post
    Library upped its number of copies to 220. Now I am only #509 on the waiting list. I'll be reading it in less than a month, not a year like it was looking before.
    There’s a .pdf file of the entire book that was leaked earlier this week. You might want to look into that.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    There’s a .pdf file of the entire book that was leaked earlier this week. You might want to look into that.


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    Thanks. But I really don't care that much. I'll just read Football for Dummies in the meantime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPiney View Post
    Thanks. But I really don't care that much. I'll just read Football for Dummies in the meantime.
    Hey, can you loan me that when you are done? TIA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Hey, can you loan me that when you are done? TIA.
    I didn't want to say anything...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    There’s a .pdf file of the entire book that was leaked earlier this week. You might want to look into that.


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    Yes, Wikileaks did that. Didn't know Assange was straight up in the piracy business. Odd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Yes, Wikileaks did that. Didn't know Assange was straight up in the piracy business. Odd.
    It’s not piracy, it’s a LEAK! The public’s right to know and all that.

    Does make it look like he isn’t exactly in trump’s pocket, however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPiney View Post
    Thanks. But I really don't care that much. I'll just read Football for Dummies in the meantime.
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