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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Either way, it can't/should not be done by executive order.
    Absolutely. Congress owns this. Both sides are too busy blaming presidents (both current and former) and demonizing the other side rather than actually, well, legislating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampfrog View Post
    Absolutely. Congress owns this. Both sides are too busy blaming presidents (both current and former) and demonizing the other side rather than actually, well, legislating.
    But this is the problem. If it is subject to congressional action, then the 14th amendment language is not, on its face, dispositive. If the 14th amendment controls, then the only option is a constitutional amendment.
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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    Someone hurry and tell Paul Ryan that the only appropriate response to Trump here is,

    "I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I? (in an annoying whiny voice)

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    You may be right. I don't know this area of the law. I do note that the holding of the case you're citing here has no bearing on the issue, even though the language you quote supports the inference you are drawing. There may be some argument to be made, but I have no idea if there is a chance to prevail. Either way, it can't/should not be done by executive order.
    Quote Originally Posted by swampfrog View Post
    Absolutely. Congress owns this. Both sides are too busy blaming presidents (both current and former) and demonizing the other side rather than actually, well, legislating.
    I think Drumpf figures that he can get the issue in the spotlight by issuing an executive order that would be immediately challenged in the courts. This will bring the issue to light in the public and force congress' hand.

    The liberals will go crazy learning that Russians (yes, the Russians!) are coming to Miami to have their babies and staying and spending money at Trump properties.



    The more conservative folks are already triggered about the migrant caravans... including the Latinos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
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    The liberals will go crazy learning that Russians (yes, the Russians!) are coming to Miami to have their babies and staying and spending money at Trump properties.
    Ultimately everything with Trump comes down to about 3 things:

    More money in his pockets
    Seeking praise and worship from his cult following
    Expressing his racist tendencies as much as possible

    Every action and policy position he might take is about at least one of those things, and preferably two or all three at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Ultimately everything with Trump comes down to about 3 things:

    More money in his pockets
    Seeking praise and worship from his cult following
    Expressing his racist tendencies as much as possible

    Every action and policy position he might take is about at least one of those things, and preferably two or all three at the same time.
    Yep, this is his plan... let the supreme court decide:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Yep, this is his plan... let the supreme court decide:

    it's in the constitution already.

    Wasting the court's time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    But this is the problem. If it is subject to congressional action, then the 14th amendment language is not, on its face, dispositive. If the 14th amendment controls, then the only option is a constitutional amendment.
    Which in all likelihood, starts in Congress. At least make the effort. Show the American people that they are at least willing to openly debate the issue and that it is theirs to own. The office of the president could use a significant deflation. Much of the negative rhetoric currently aimed at that office rightfully should be targeted at Congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampfrog View Post
    Which in all likelihood, starts in Congress. At least make the effort. Show the American people that they are at least willing to openly debate the issue and that it is theirs to own. The office of the president could use a significant deflation. Much of the negative rhetoric currently aimed at that office rightfully should be targeted at Congress.
    The current Congress, or at least the current majority there is pretty content to abdicate all its responsibilities and act as though we have an absolute monarch in charge of the government

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    The current Congress, or at least the current majority there is pretty content to abdicate all its responsibilities and act as though we have an absolute monarch in charge of the government
    The abdication has been going on for years before the last presidential election. We've been increasingly indoctrinated with tenets of faith that all success/failure of things in the USA should be attributed to that office. That someone as narcissistic as Trump is attracted to and pursued that office is telling.

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    I'm all for ending birthright citizenship. You bums should all have to apply and take a test to become citizens liked I did. Who cares where you came out of your momma's belly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefytee View Post
    I'm all for ending birthright citizenship. You bums should all have to apply and take a test to become citizens liked I did. Who cares where you came out of your momma's belly.
    Doesn't Canada have some form of birthright citizenship as well? It seems Liberal Americans should be doing baby tours to Canada to take advantage of this (and the free healthcare!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Doesn't Canada have some form of birthright citizenship as well? It seems Liberal Americans should be doing baby tours to Canada to take advantage of this (and the free healthcare!).
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    Quote Originally Posted by beefytee View Post
    I'm all for ending birthright citizenship. You bums should all have to apply and take a test to become citizens liked I did. Who cares where you came out of your momma's belly.
    I think I am as well. and yes, I know you are being funny and no I don't want to take a test.

    I know our personal experience colors our views. But in my little part of rural america, I have seen a few of these cases where the mom comes across the border pregnant, takes advantage of charity care at the hospital and has a baby here in the US. I personally don't like it. I think we need to do something to fix it. Of course not by executive order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampfrog View Post
    The abdication has been going on for years before the last presidential election. We've been increasingly indoctrinated with tenets of faith that all success/failure of things in the USA should be attributed to that office. That someone as narcissistic as Trump is attracted to and pursued that office is telling.
    NO IT HASN'T! DONALD TRUMP IS NOT A SYMPTOM OF THE CURRENT PROBLEMS IN AMERICA! HE IS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF ALL THINGS LIBERTARIAN AND NONE OF THESE PROBLEMS STARTED UNTIL DONALD TRUMP WAS EITHER ELECTED OR SWORN IN- I was just screaming mindlessly at the time so I forgot which one caused all the problems. BUT ALL PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY DONALD TRUMP-sad!
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    OK, midterms are over... back to your regularly scheduled government.

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    The Dems' game plan is leaked... Impeach, Impeach, Impeach!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    The Dems' game plan is leaked... Impeach, Impeach, Impeach!

    I wonder if they'll vote for impeachment 70 times to match the number of times a Republican House voted to repeal Obamacare while Obama was still in office and the Senate was controlled by the democrats? I guess they didn't have anything else to do then.

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    Trump has threatened to pull federal funding for CA wildfires because he doesn’t like their environmental rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Trump has threatened to pull federal funding for CA wildfires because he doesn’t like their environmental rules.

    https://apple.news/AVJp7AbCCRwadnixE1lmG7w
    That's Trump's lone tweet about what may be the worst fire in California history, with lives lost, thousands of homes destroyed, an entire town (heavily LDS, btw) obliterated, while tweeting eight times about election fraud for which there is no evidence. Trump is disgusting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    That's Trump's lone tweet about what may be the worst fire in California history, with lives lost, thousands of homes destroyed, an entire town (heavily LDS, btw) obliterated, while tweeting eight times about election fraud for which there is no evidence. Trump is disgusting.
    An unmitigated fuckface.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    That's Trump's lone tweet about what may be the worst fire in California history, with lives lost, thousands of homes destroyed, an entire town (heavily LDS, btw) obliterated, while tweeting eight times about election fraud for which there is no evidence. Trump is disgusting.
    Maybe Drumpf was referring to the election fraud of the past... Broward county seems to be the capital of election fraud and incompetence. How does one keep their job after being convicted of destroying ballots and, now, denying a court order?

    Yes, the government needs to do something about this global warming/climate change sh*t. We have had record rainfall and could have a new record for the year. I am getting sick of all this rain and California seems like it is always on fire. Maybe the government could built a giant fan and blow some of our rain your way. Of course, the environmentalists may have a problem with that since it may kill a few birds or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Maybe Drumpf was referring to the election fraud of the past... Broward county seems to be the capital of election fraud and incompetence. How does one keep their job after being convicted of destroying ballots and, now, denying a court order?

    Yes, the government needs to do something about this global warming/climate change sh*t. We have had record rainfall and could have a new record for the year. I am getting sick of all this rain and California seems like it is always on fire. Maybe the government could built a giant fan and blow some of our rain your way. Of course, the environmentalists may have a problem with that since it may kill a few birds or something.
    Georgia is the headquarter of election shenanigans this year. "Drumpf" wines like the snowflake he doesn't like. Stop defending him Ted. You're not very effective.
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    Super patriotic Trump skipped a visit to a US military cemetery in France because of the weather but it didn't stop Pompea or Kelly.

    Trump cancels First World War memorial visit to US cemetery because of 'poor weather'

    Donald Trump‘s visit to a First World War cemetery was called off by the White House because of poor weather.

    The US leader was set to visit the Aisne-Marne American cemetery in the French village of Belleau – the site of a 1918 battle in which the Americans and French repelled German forces. More than 1,800 Americans died there.

    The battle looms large in the history of the US Marine Corps.

    Mr Trump was supposed to participate in a wreath-laying and a moment of silence at the site, but heavy rain prevented him from arriving via helicopter to the site, which is more than 50 miles east of the French capital.

    As many of his countrymen fought in Vietnam, the US leader received five military deferments during the 1960s – four for academic reasons and one for bone spurs, or calcium build-up in the heels.

    During his presidential campaign, he could not recall which heel had been affected. He later said the issue had been “temporary” and “minor”, adding that “over a period of time, it healed up”.

    White House chief of staff John Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general, his wife and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo will visit instead.


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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Georgia is the headquarter of election shenanigans this year. "Drumpf" wines like the snowflake he doesn't like. Stop defending him Ted. You're not very effective.
    OMG... what is going on in Georgia? Did the Russians hack the election again?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Maybe Drumpf was referring to the election fraud of the past... Broward county seems to be the capital of election fraud and incompetence. How does one keep their job after being convicted of destroying ballots and, now, denying a court order?

    Yes, the government needs to do something about this global warming/climate change sh*t. We have had record rainfall and could have a new record for the year. I am getting sick of all this rain and California seems like it is always on fire. Maybe the government could built a giant fan and blow some of our rain your way. Of course, the environmentalists may have a problem with that since it may kill a few birds or something.
    Uncle Ted, you don't need to defend your boy Trump after every single gaffe. Good grief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Super patriotic Trump skipped a visit to a US military cemetery in France because of the weather but it didn't stop Pompea or Kelly.

    Trump cancels First World War memorial visit to US cemetery because of 'poor weather'





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    Does Marine One not fly in the rain? Maybe he could have flown in on Postal One, which is not deterred by rain, sleet, or hail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Uncle Ted, you don't need to defend your boy Trump after every single gaffe. Good grief.
    Just stating the facts, JL... Florida (largely Broward County) can't seem to hold an election without some sort of election shenanigans (as Frank would say). In 2016 it was Brenda Snipes illegally destroying ballots (which she was convicted of) and backroom stuffing of election ballots. This year it is mixing in bad provisionals ballots with good ones and not complying to court orders. And lets not even talk about the 2000 elections. If you are not seeing any evidence of election shenanigans going on then you are not looking hard enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Just stating the facts, JL... Florida (largely Broward County) can't seem to hold an election without some sort of election shenanigans (as Frank would say). In 2016 it was Brenda Snipes illegally destroying ballots (which she was convicted of) and backroom stuffing of election ballots. This year it is mixing in bad provisionals ballots with good ones and not complying to court orders. And lets not even talk about the 2000 elections. If you are not seeing any evidence of election shenanigans going on then you are not looking hard enough.
    In the context of expressing some sensitivity and presidential leadership with regard to the california fires, who the hell cares? You are as tone deaf as he is, it seems.
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