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    One of the first thing business students learn in marketing classes is that the most expensive and least effective ad campaign is one of education. Sure, red meat has nutritional benefits, but showing people having fun in a backyard barbecue with numerous shots of a juicy ribeye makes more people want to buy beef than telling them how much iron and protein they are getting. The same goes with politics. Politicians could spend time understanding climate change science, doing cost benefit analysis on various solutions, and then proposing legislation, but that requires work and also puts the public to sleep. It's much easier to stir up anxiety so the public comes running to the politicians expecting protection from a boogeyman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Your too close to it to see, but red meat will kill you.
    It feels like I've had this argument a million times. Is there a new study out or are your relying on the same old tired research?

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    About the 'Trump being insensitive to military families' kerfuffle (no not the first, second one, or even the third one):

    I'm inclined to give Trump a pass on this one. I can totally see him riffing with the wife of the fallen soldier, because that is all he ever does: riffs without thinking for a second what comes out of his mouth. So yeah, it's true this is the risk soldiers take. He thought it and he said it. Insensitive? Sure. But in his mind he most certainly meant well.

    But good God, I am exhausted with his constant threats that he never backs up. Dude, if you have proof that you didn't say what the congresswoman says you said, and who now the mother is corroborating, let us hear it. You could prove dishonest motives with a democrat and the media in one fell swoop. This is how you win, idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    About the 'Trump being insensitive to military families' kerfuffle (no not the first, second one, or even the third one):

    I'm inclined to give Trump a pass on this one. I can totally see him riffing with the wife of the fallen soldier, because that is all he ever does: riffs without thinking for a second what comes out of his mouth. So yeah, it's true this is the risk soldiers take. He thought it and he said it. Insensitive? Sure. But in his mind he most certainly meant well.

    But good God, I am exhausted with his constant threats that he never backs up. Dude, if you have proof that you didn't say what the congresswoman says you said, and who now the mother is corroborating, let us hear it. You could prove dishonest motives with a democrat and the media in one fell swoop. This is how you win, idiot.

    I agree. It will always be a challenge for Trump to come off as compassionate and warm, because he isn’t those things. I think he was trying to express genuine condalences.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    It feels like I've had this argument a million times. Is there a new study out or are your relying on the same old tired research?
    Same tired research

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    It feels like I've had this argument a million times. Is there a new study out or are your relying on the same old tired research?
    Is the research tired, or are you tired?

    Maybe you're eating too much red meat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeping in EQ View Post
    Is the research tired, or are you tired?

    Maybe you're eating too much red meat.
    Or not enough. Maybe he's anemic.
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    I agree. It will always be a challenge for Trump to come off as compassionate and warm, because he isn’t those things. I think he was trying to express genuine condalences.

    We can’t stomach any criticism and lack a child is incapable of ignoring it.
    I think in Trump’s mind he said what any normal President would have said, something along the lines of “I’m so very sorry you and your children have lost a husband and father, who was truly a great man. He knew the risks, but he courageously accepted those risks to serve his country, and now that country has a debt to you and your family it can never repay. We’re so grateful, and so sorry. etc. etc.” But no doubt he sounded like a goomba and his “he knew the risks” may have sounded like an “I told you so.”

    Trump seems pathologically incapable of genuine empathy, and his verbal tool chest is that of a third grader’s, so he comes off sometimes as an insensitive lout, even when he intends no harm and wants to do the right thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    I think in Trump’s mind he said what any normal President would have said, something along the lines of “I’m so very sorry you and your children have lost a husband and father, who was truly a great man. He knew the risks, but he courageously accepted those risks to serve his country, and now that country has a debt to you and your family it can never repay. We’re so grateful, and so sorry. etc. etc.” But no doubt he sounded like a goomba and his “he knew the risks” may have sounded like an “I told you so.”

    Trump seems pathologically incapable of genuine empathy, and his verbal tool chest is that of a third grader’s, so he comes off sometimes as an insensitive lout, even when he intends no harm and wants to do the right thing.
    If he is a narcissist, he is incapable of empathy, by virtue of the condition, if it is properly diagnosed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    Your too close to it to see, but red meat will kill you.
    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    It feels like I've had this argument a million times. Is there a new study out or are your relying on the same old tired research?
    I'm pretty sure he's talking about bullfighting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Public View Post
    I'm pretty sure he's talking about bullfighting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    Horses and stress will get me before bulls do.

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    I hate Trump with the fire of a thousand suns, but this latest thing about what he said to the mother of a dead soldier is ridiculous. Yeah, Trump should not have said anything about what past presidents did or did not do, but this is something that should not be politicized. His conversation with that grieving mother should be kept private. Shame on that dumb congresswoman from Florida.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I hate Trump with the fire of a thousand suns, but this latest thing about what he said to the mother of a dead soldier is ridiculous. Yeah, Trump should not have said anything about what past presidents did or did not do, but this is something that should not be politicized. His conversation with that grieving mother should be kept private. Shame on that dumb congresswoman from Florida.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I hate Trump with the fire of a thousand suns, but this latest thing about what he said to the mother of a dead soldier is ridiculous. Yeah, Trump should not have said anything about what past presidents did or did not do, but this is something that should not be politicized. His conversation with that grieving mother should be kept private. Shame on that dumb congresswoman from Florida.
    Agree. She is an idiot. And after John Kelly explained his feelings, I really cant believe that Trump and the representative went back at it. They deserve each other, but the families do not deserve to have that in the press.
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Agree. She is an idiot. And after John Kelly explained his feelings, I really cant believe that Trump and the representative went back at it. They deserve each other, but the families do not deserve to have that in the press.
    Kelly nailed it. Trump should talk less and listen to him more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Kelly nailed it. Trump should talk less and listen to him more.
    It was a powerful speech, especially because of the experience with his son.

    It would have been much more poignant had he ended there. But he started flinging the mud as well:

    And I thought at least that was sacred. You know, when I was a kid growing up, a lot of things were sacred in our country. Women were sacred, looked upon with great honor. That's obviously not the case anymore as we see from recent cases. Life -- the dignity of life -- is sacred. That's gone. Religion, that seems to be gone as well...
    And a congresswoman [Wilson] stood up, and in the long tradition of empty barrels making the most noise, stood up there and all of that and talked about how she was instrumental in getting the funding for that building, and how she took care of her constituents because she got the money, and she just called up President Obama, and on that phone call he gave the money -- the $20 million -- to build the building. And she sat down, and we were stunned. Stunned that she had done it. Even for someone that is that empty a barrel, we were stunned.
    The congresswoman is quickly coming off as a buffoon in this experience. She had every right to listen into that conversation, as she was invited in the limo because she was a mentor to the fallen soldier. But the tactful thing would have been to contact the WH privately and let them know that Trump's call came off as insensitive to the family. Tell them that the family did not appreciate the way the call went. A miracle could have happened and Trump could have done the humble thing, reach out and apologize. We wouldn't have even heard about the call, WaPo wouldn't have gone rabid looking for other Gold Star families, and we wouldn't have heard about the insanity of a president forgetting to pay 25 grand that he promised to a father. Another political scandal completely of his own doing could have been averted. If she didn't get a response, then fine, go public. Everything's political anyways.

    And for crying out loud, be the better person and quit brining up a dead soldier for political gain. It's not that hard to do when Trump is the person on the other side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    It was a powerful speech, especially because of the experience with his son.

    It would have been much more poignant had he ended there. But he started flinging the mud as well:



    The congresswoman is quickly coming off as a buffoon in this experience. She had every right to listen into that conversation, as she was invited in the limo because she was a mentor to the fallen soldier. But the tactful thing would have been to contact the WH privately and let them know that Trump's call came off as insensitive to the family. Tell them that the family did not appreciate the way the call went. A miracle could have happened and Trump could have done the humble thing, reach out and apologize. We wouldn't have even heard about the call, WaPo wouldn't have gone rabid looking for other Gold Star families, and we wouldn't have heard about the insanity of a president forgetting to pay 25 grand that he promised to a father. Another political scandal completely of his own doing could have been averted. If she didn't get a response, then fine, go public. Everything's political anyways.

    And for crying out loud, be the better person and quit brining up a dead soldier for political gain. It's not that hard to do when Trump is the person on the other side.
    I still don't understand how what he said was that offensive. "He knew what he was getting into when he signed up" could mean a lot of things, not all of them offensive. I really doubt Trump (as dumb as he is) intentionally tried to insult the family.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I still don't understand how what he said was that offensive. "He knew what he was getting into when he signed up" could mean a lot of things, not all of them offensive. I really doubt Trump (as dumb as he is) intentionally tried to insult the family.
    Well, it can seem insensitive, especially when the speaker trying to couch it is limited by a 100-word vocabulary.

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    There is such a long list of things to bash Trump on. This one I agree shouldn't even register.

    But reading comment sections on Trump stories is pretty scary...that is until you remember a lot of them are probably Russians. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I still don't understand how what he said was that offensive. "He knew what he was getting into when he signed up" could mean a lot of things, not all of them offensive. I really doubt Trump (as dumb as he is) intentionally tried to insult the family.
    I agree. I said before that I'm giving him a pass on this one. I don't think he was trying to be offensive. And shame on anyone in the press or politics who is alleging that he was knowingly belittling the soldier. But I can see how if it was a flippant remark (as Trump is wont to do), and if he allegedly couldn't remember the soldier's name, then it could come across as insensitive to the family. As in something like 'we are grateful for your husband's service, but he knew what he was getting into, though it's still sad'...

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    He's growing on me:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    He's growing on me:
    Meh. I still can't stand him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I hate Trump with the fire of a thousand suns, but this latest thing about what he said to the mother of a dead soldier is ridiculous. Yeah, Trump should not have said anything about what past presidents did or did not do, but this is something that should not be politicized. His conversation with that grieving mother should be kept private. Shame on that dumb congresswoman from Florida.
    I can honestly believe the family may have felt it was insensitive, but there is no way he was trying to be. He's not just miraculously going to be good at consoling others. Everyone should drop the issue, and not overshadow the family's grief.
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    I'm in a conference today in which I heard the following quote:

    "I can never tell you what you said, but only what I heard."

    I think that happens WAY too often (what is said, isn't always what is heard.)

    The quote finishes: "I will have to rephrase what you have said, and check it out with you to make sure that what left your mind and heart arrived in my mind and heard intact and without distortion." Which doesn't happen near enough.

    Quote is from John Powell, theologian.

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    How do you silence former generals, colonels, admirals, and such, who are criticizing you in the press? https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ve-order-13223
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    How do you silence former generals, colonels, admirals, and such, who are criticizing you in the press? https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...ve-order-13223
    General Kelly caught in a lie but Sarah Huckleberry Sanders says it's highly inappropriate to question it. Welcome to the world where the truth is whatever dear leader tells us it is.

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