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Originally posted by myboynoah View PostOkay, that's a far cry from 150. I'm very sympathetic to your position, especially when it comes to Iraq (particularly those that worked with the US over the years). The other three are debatable since they were basket cases before the U.S. got involved. But those that have worked with us should get special consideration.
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Originally posted by Maximus View PostMan trumps trade advisors are as dumb on trade as trump. True idiots
For the first year or so Trump has been held back from fully jumping into his worst protectionist impulses by several other free trade leaning advisers around him, but they're pretty much all gone now.Last edited by BlueK; 07-05-2018, 07:36 AM.
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Originally posted by frank ryan View PostShould ring some alarm bells. If nothing else, Trump will accidentally share a bunch of sensitive intel. It will be interesting to see what Trump does re. foreign policy over the month or so following his meeting with his boss.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...sian-president
We'll see what happens, but after this summit we should really know whether we need to move past the denial stage when it comes to wondering if Trump is purposely pursuing a pro-Russia/anti-Western Europe foreign policy. And hopefully Republicans can finally move into a more productive conversation about whether that's a good idea.Last edited by BlueK; 07-05-2018, 08:46 AM.
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Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View PostI am being serious (and don't call my Shirley). You want to start with the ME? OK, then.
Iraq
Syria
Yemen
Afghanistan
Any immigrant person originating from these countries should be automatically admitted to the US out of courtesy for having a hand in fucking up their country.
(Also, a shout-out to Iran... who had the good sense to kick us out after getting tired of fucking up/with their country.)
Where to next? Asia, Africa?
In my mind, especially as it relates to immigration, the place we have screwed up is Latin America, and especially Central America. Sometimes from a military presence but more often from political influence peddling and from CIA/clandestine interference. Things like placing General Rios Mont in power in Guatemala. We have made a mess of our own backyard. Over and over again. As far as the ME goes, we are just one of the players there, historically speaking, and the place has been a mess for centuries.
It is easy to condemn the USA, of course, but we must also fairly evaluate the positive influence we have had in many of these places.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by BlueK View Postafter this summit we should really know whether we need to move past the denial stage when it comes to wondering if Trump is purposely pursuing a pro-Russia/anti-Western Europe foreign policy.
Originally posted by creekster View PostThis post makes me sad. You and I had found so much common ground recently. Oh well. I have no idea what you mean by arguing that a "military presence" has screwed up these countries. The british did more to screw these places up before world war II than we have done since. And dont leave out the Soviets whjen you talk about Afghanistan. In fact, I think you can argue that we have had a pretty positive influence on a lot of these places.
Originally posted by creekster View PostIn my mind, especially as it relates to immigration, the place we have screwed up is Latin America, and especially Central America. Sometimes from a military presence but more often from political influence peddling and from CIA/clandestine interference. Things like placing General Rios Mont in power in Guatemala. We have made a mess of our own backyard. Over and over again. As far as the ME goes, we are just one of the players there, historically speaking, and the place has been a mess for centuries.You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
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Originally posted by BlueK View PostAnd you'll be losing your mind over it, no doubt.You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View PostPretty sure after this summit, no matter the outcome, you'll be here sharing with us the most apocalyptic take imaginable.
"Had a hand" ... jesus, I don't give a shit about other countries (the Brits, the Russians, et al) as I'm not a citizen there. But let me help you out... we have had a very heavy presence in Afghanistan since 2001 for fuck's sake.
Uh, yeah, NSS, I asked where we should go next from the ME... with regard to listing the countries that the US has fucked over, we haven't even touched Asia, Africa, and yes, Latin/South America.
Pretty simple. If a person can prove citizenship from any of the 150 countries around the world where US troops are deployed, then they get in - no questions asked - as it is very likely the US contributed to fucking up the country enough to cause the immigration to occur.Last edited by creekster; 07-05-2018, 12:26 PM.PLesa excuse the tpyos.
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Originally posted by creekster View Postbut the ME problems existed long before we were around and will continue for reasons that have little or nothing to do with us even if we pull out, completely, tomorrow.You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View PostI'd rather you acted more like a realist, but you are what you are.Last edited by BlueK; 07-05-2018, 12:50 PM.
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Originally posted by BlueK View PostI'm being realistic by asking what is a legitimate question, which is where is Trump going with Russia
First and foremost... the article explains that compromise is inevitable, yet will still require respect for both nations’ interests.
Or in other words, the bipartisan Russia fear-mongering here in the US has just got to end. It's gotten beyond stupid. "Russia’s critics present a long bill of requirements to be met before they would relax sanctions or otherwise improve relations. Putin could save time by agreeing to be an American vassal."
- End the Russia sanctions, they accomplish nothing.
- Trump and Putin could make a bilateral commitment to stay out of other nations’ elections.
- The two presidents should agree to mutual forbearance on supporting war (e.g. stop fucking with other countries; Russia w/ Ukraine, the US w/ {insert long list here})
- Trump should propose that both countries withdraw from Syria.
- addressing the faltering Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty
- revisiting the soon-expiring Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty
You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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Originally posted by Dwight Schr-ute View PostTrump fires Pruitt. LOL. Kidding. But Trump did accept his letter of resignation. That’s something.
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