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Originally posted by Crockett View PostThank you for helping me make my point. As I said, it's the work of many influencers in his administration that are helping achieve conservative goals. Trump wouldn't do all of this on his own.
Sure, he has accomplished a few good things. And a bunch of bad things. This "he is an idiot but it's ok because he is surrounded by conservatives" line of thinking is delusional, IMO. He is doing plenty of damage.
I sure hope those conservative movers and shakers stop this stupid trade war!"There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by Crockett View Post
I'm not an expert on immigration law, but I know non-citizens don't have the same rights as citizens. Many on this issue don't want him to enforce the existing laws, and apparently you want to pick and choose which laws to follow to suit your political views.
Originally posted by Crockett View Post
I'm not an expert on immigration law, but I know non-citizens don't have the same rights as citizens. Many on this issue don't want him to enforce the existing laws, and apparently you want to pick and choose which laws to follow to suit your political views.
Originally posted by Crockett View Post
I'm not an expert on immigration law, but I know non-citizens don't have the same rights as citizens. Many on this issue don't want him to enforce the existing laws, and apparently you want to pick and choose which laws to follow to suit your political views.
Originally posted by Crockett View Post
And down the memory hole go Obama statements like: "If they [the GOP] bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun," he said during a fundraiser in Philadelphia in June 2008. "Because from what I understand, folks in Philly like a good brawl.
Originally posted by Crockett View PostYou have a problem with a military parade on Veteran's Day? It's not in Trump's honor. Sheesh. The French do one, too. Oh wait, they actually do have a history of dictators..."I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"
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I love you, Commando."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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This asshole can't stop lying. I wonder if he knows that MS-13 is an American gang that terrorizes undocumented immigrants.... kind of like ICE, now that I think about it...
"I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"
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Abolish ICE?
ICE will just be replaced by the next immigration enforcement department.
Funny how the dems are using the repub playbook."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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Originally posted by Moliere View PostAbolish ICE?
ICE will just be replaced by the next immigration enforcement department.
Funny how the dems are using the repub playbook.
I’ll help you out. It’s more the position that ICE as a specific organization needs to be disbanded and not that there be no organisation to do the job. They feel the current agency leadership and current is corrupt and compromised that the agency needs to be scrapped.
Now the current GOP playbook is to win, and appoint people to destroy and act against the missions of agencies that are philosophically problematic.
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Originally posted by frank ryan View PostI’ll help you out. It’s more the position that ICE as a specific organization needs to be disbanded and not that there be no organisation to do the job. They feel the current agency leadership and current is corrupt and compromised that the agency needs to be scrapped."Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
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Originally posted by Moliere View PostI think that’s a dumb position and I don’t support it. However, it’s not dumb enough to make me vote against the dems/resistance.
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Originally posted by frank ryan View PostIt seems like an emotional one. I support a leadership change at the agency but nuking the whole thing and creating a new one isn’t realistic. Commando can correct me, but I think much of this problem has been because of Justice depart. instructions, although there have been recent cases of ICE ignoring the need for warrents etc and abuse of children."I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"
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Originally posted by Commando View PostOh you're not? Weird- because my fb feed is jam packed with newly minted immigration experts repeating Trump's talking points as though any one of you know wtf you're talking about. On one of my friends' feeds right now there is a g***mn FedEx worker arguing with about 5 immigration attorneys about Trump's child separation policy. He is firmly entrenched in his woefully ignorant and starkly wrong position, which to me about perfectly encapsulates arguing with a Trump supporter on anything.
BTW, are you for open borders? Should anyone who wants to move here be allowed to? If not, we can probably get close to agreeing with one another. As you said, there are finite resources. We can't absorb everyone that might want to move here. I'm not for completely closed borders. I very much sympathize with the plight of people seeking a better life here. I don't think immigration should be merit-based only. I would support a system that allows not only legitimate asylum-seekers, but also people that just want a better life. Maybe that's a lottery, maybe there is a better way. I would support a guest worker program that allows some people to come and go legally. I'm not totally aligned with Trump on border issues, but I do think we need to enforce our borders and know who is coming and going. Other countries do so, but when the US does then we are horrible, apparently.
Also, I'd like people to recognize the genuine difficulty and nuance of the immigration matter, without going full blast and calling everyone monsters. There are significant numbers of adults traveling with children that they are not related to. There is some human trafficking going on. How do we protect children in those situations? Separation is sometimes appropriate.
Originally posted by Commando View PostReally? Which rights are those? And are you distinguishing between lawful permanent residents and U.S. citizens, too? What about nonimmigrants? Or are you specifically talking about undocumented immigrants? As long as you are positive that you "know" something, be specific about it or don't even mention it.
Originally posted by Commando View PostNow this is the funny part. Do you understand that the government has finite resources, and that the "zero tolerance" policy (a purely political policy, if you care) is exhausting those resources by enforcing every single ticky tack misdemeanor entry without inspection so that other more serious offenses at the border cannot be enforced? Why would he do that? Gee- it's almost as though it's purely to separate families at the border to discourage asylum applicants like a f*king monster. Reminds me of when Sheriff Joe decided to start enforcing immigration laws- using your same impeccable argument that all laws must be enforced, by the way- and "forgot" to prosecute thousands of child sex abuse cases in Maricopa County. Whoops. And back to the subject I brought up: Trump is literally trying to circumvent due process for asylum applicants, and if he can't do it, he'll change the law to do it. Sounds normal.
But hey, it all appears to be okay when Democrats do it, though.
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Originally posted by Commando View PostOH NOES!!! Yeah Obama's facetious comments are just a bit different than Trump instructing his zombies to kick protesters' asses and promising to pay their legal bills, and lamenting the 'old days' when protesters got beaten within an inch of their lives, etc. What a loser.
Originally posted by Commando View PostYes I do have a problem with it. And of COURSE it's in Trump's honor. If he had any honor for vets he would fix the shitshow that is Veteran's Affairs and not spend a dime on a stupid military parade that countries with shitty militaries have to put on to convince themselves they are powerful. I watched a military exercise in Guatemala and all I could think was "whoopdie fricking doo." We are America- let's act like we have some self-esteem. Why do we have to have a military parade? It's almost like Trump can't help but telegraph how minuscule his orange wee wee is.
One last thing. I come here in peace. You don't have to get ragey to convince / have a discussion with me.
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Originally posted by Crockett View Post
One last thing. I come here in peace. You don't have to get ragey to convince / have a discussion with me."I'm anti, can't no government handle a commando / Your man don't want it, Trump's a bitch! I'll make his whole brand go under,"
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Originally posted by Commando View PostWell I don't. I don't care what you think your stance on immigration is, it is apparently heavily informed by conservative platform builders and they are dishonest. We don't have to have a discussion- you just need to know that you are under-informed. Do what you will with that information.
Originally posted by Commando View PostWell I don't. I don't care what you think your stance on immigration is, it is apparently heavily informed by conservative platform builders and they are dishonest. We don't have to have a discussion- you just need to know that you are under-informed. Do what you will with that information.
Originally posted by Commando View PostAs long as you are positive that you "know" something, be specific about it or don't even mention it.
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