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    Tillerson is out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Tillerson is out.
    Tullerson doesn’t even know why he was fired and it sounds like Trump didn’t even tell him he was fired.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Tullerson doesn’t even know why he was fired and it sounds like Trump didn’t even tell him he was fired.


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    Was it because he contradicted Sarah Huckleberry Sanders by coming out with a strong statement against Russia on the nerve agent attack in Britain after Sanders pulled out the usual "we don't know if the Russians are behind it" Trumpian nonsense? Even if it's not the reason or part of the reason, the timing is weird.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/12/polit...ack/index.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Was it because he contradicted Sarah Huckleberry Sanders by coming out with a strong statement against Russia on the nerve agent attack in Britain after Sanders pulled out the usual "we don't know if the Russians are behind it" Trumpian nonsense? Even if it's not the reason or part of the reason, the timing is weird.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/12/polit...ack/index.html
    I think it’s beyond dispute that Trump and co. are limp-dicked to anything Russia does while being willing to pick a fight with global allies over insignificant disagreements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    I think it’s beyond dispute that Trump and co. are limp-dicked to anything Russia does while being willing to pick a fight with global allies over insignificant disagreements.
    Disagree. Stormy Daniels has nothing on Russia as far as getting Trump hard.
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    I was no fan of Tillerson, but according to a friend who works in an off-shoot of the DOS, he's intelligent, thoughtful, measured...and a gentleman. It was those very qualities that put him and his leadership of DOS at odds with the President, who time and again threw him under the bus. Not to mention the his only crime was telling the truth--that Trump is a moron. Now, there goes the only reasonable and stable cabinet member of this Administration. How insane it is, when the former CEO of Exxon/Mobil is the adult in the room.

    Presidential incompetence at its very finest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    Disagree. Stormy Daniels has nothing on Russia as far as getting Trump hard.
    We may find out, if she really has the pics!

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    Remember when Trump used to mock Obama for too much turnover in his White House staff? Good times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Remember when Trump used to mock Obama for too much turnover in his White House staff? Good times.
    it’s basically axiomatic at this point that if trump does it there’s a trump tweet to indict it
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    it’s basically axiomatic at this point that if trump does it there’s a trump tweet to indict it
    I was going to say the same thing but with more words. It's pretty entertaining that for every thing Trump does, or for every position he takes, one can find a contradictory statement or position over the past 30 years.

    My particular favorite contradiction is his steadfast claim, supported strongly by most on the evangelical right, that he's never misbehaved toward women (of course, his future in that regard appears stormy). In addition to the Entertainment Tonight boast, his observation to Chris Matthews in the late '90s that he could never run for president because he had women problems far greater than those of Bill Clinton was a regretfully unfulfilled prophecy.

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    Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

    For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

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    I've been listening to the Ron Chernow biography of Grant (40+ hours!!!) and I'm struck by the similarities between the presidencies of Andrew Johnson and Donald Trump. One notable the self-aggrandizement and victimization that has no grounding in reality.

    On February 22, 1866, Johnson delivered what he termed “extemporaneous remarks” to celebrate George Washington’s birthday. They stretched on at epic length, despite Johnson occasionally suggesting he planned to wrap up. (Readers of the text will note his use of phrases, “I have talked longer now than I intended” and “I have detained you longer than I intended,” only to be followed by hundreds of additional words.)

    The address displays all Johnson’s flaws, including rampant egotism (“Who, I ask, has suffered more for the Union than I have?”), paranoia (“…before our brave men have scarcely returned to their homes to renew the ties of affection and love, we find ourselves almost in the midst of another rebellion”), and general deep resentment. Indeed, after strongly implying his political enemies were traitors, he happily named them: “I say Thaddeus Stevens, of Pennsylvania. I say Charles Sumner. I say Wendell Phillips, and others of the same stripe, are among them.”

    Stevens and Sumner had supported the Union, were still in Congress and belonged to the same political party as Johnson.

    Oh, and Johnson suggested people were coming to kill him. (“I make use of a very strong expression when I say that I have no doubt the intention was to incite assassination.”)

    On March 27, Johnson vetoed the civil rights bill. He stated it was unacceptable to offer blacks more than the government had “ever provided the white race.” The Republican Congress overrode his veto. Less than a year into his term, he was in an open war with his own party.
    Johnsons' meeting with Frederick Douglass sounds a lot like Trump.

    On February 7, 1866, Douglass and other black leaders came to lobby for a civil rights bill. Johnson inexplicably chose to tell them about his days as a slave owner, noting he was so kind to his slaves that he was “their slave instead of their being mine.” Johnson also informed them the bill troubled him because if blacks got the vote, it would result in poor whites being essentially kept “in slavery.” (Again, Douglass had experienced actual slavery—during a particularly brutal chapter in his life he suffered daily whippings.)
    How Grant was used by Johnson reminds me a lot of how Trump has used respected military authorities like Mattis, Kelly, and McMasters. The comparisons aren't exact, but a good reminder that we've had some pretty awful people occupy the office during perilous times and we still came out okay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    I've been listening to the Ron Chernow biography of Grant (40+ hours!!!) and I'm struck by the similarities between the presidencies of Andrew Johnson and Donald Trump. One notable the self-aggrandizement and victimization that has no grounding in reality.



    Johnsons' meeting with Frederick Douglass sounds a lot like Trump.



    How Grant was used by Johnson reminds me a lot of how Trump has used respected military authorities like Mattis, Kelly, and McMasters. The comparisons aren't exact, but a good reminder that we've had some pretty awful people occupy the office during perilous times and we still came out okay.
    Both are terrible presidents for some of the same reasons. Interesting historical perspective.

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    I'm about as far into Grant as YO and, as he notes, it's hard not to draw comparisons with where we are today. One of the most striking differences is how both Lincoln and Grant went to great lengths not to humiliate their opposition, and to avoid any self-aggrandizing statements or behaviors. Despite defeating the South with overwhelming force, Grant was admired in the South for the gracious way he treated Lee and his forces. Had Lincoln and Grant been able to oversee reconstruction, our history (including things like Jim Crow, the civil rights movement, etc.) would have likely been very different, and much less fraught, than what Andrew Johnson set in motion. I'm genuinely concerned that Trump will have the same type of effect on our history.

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    From a fundraising speech:

    He accused Japan of using gimmicks to deny U.S. auto companies access to their consumers, said South Korea was taking advantage of outdated trade rules even though its economy was strong and said China had single-handedly rebuilt itself on the back of its trade surplus with the United States.

    “It’s the bowling ball test. They take a bowling ball from 20 feet up in the air and drop it on the hood of the car,” Trump said of Japan. “If the hood dents, the car doesn’t qualify. It’s horrible,” he said. It was unclear what he was talking about.
    Is it ever clear what he’s talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    From a fundraising speech:



    Is it ever clear what he’s talking about?
    Not to anyone with a well functioning brain anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    From a fundraising speech:



    Is it ever clear what he’s talking about?
    Good hell.
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    For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Not to anyone with a well functioning brain anyway.
    Best president ever.
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    If Trump and Un were to reach an agreement for NK to denuclearize (the likelihood of an agreement is minuscule and the probability of NK adhering to is zero, but still...) or at least stabilize the situation, imagine Trump receiving the Nobel Peace Prize. As long as I've already induced nausea, I'll also invite you to imagine his humble and inspiring acceptance speech.


    P.S. I'll save some of you the trouble and acknowledge that Obama was an undeserving winner of the prize. But at least his speech wasn't the oratorical equivalent of Syrup of Ipecac.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    If Trump and Un were to reach an agreement for NK to denuclearize (the likelihood of an agreement is minuscule and the probability of NK adhering to is zero, but still...) or at least stabilize the situation, imagine Trump receiving the Nobel Peace Prize. As long as I've already induced nausea, I'll also invite you to imagine his humble and inspiring acceptance speech.


    P.S. I'll save some of you the trouble and acknowledge that Obama was an undeserving winner of the prize. But at least his speech wasn't the oratorical equivalent of Syrup of Ipecac.
    Lol. Knock it off. None of that is going to happen.

    Meanwhile, Trump admitted in a private conversation that he just totally makes crap up.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.6e4c28b118ff
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Lol. Knock it off. None of that is going to happen.

    Meanwhile, Trump admitted in a private conversation that he just totally makes crap up.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.6e4c28b118ff
    I’m still waiting for Shakett and and Uncle Talter to abandon him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Lol. Knock it off. None of that is going to happen.

    Meanwhile, Trump admitted in a private conversation that he just totally makes crap up.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.6e4c28b118ff
    and trudeau is just dumb enough to have maybe believed him
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    I’m still waiting for Shakett and and Uncle Talter to abandon him.
    Trump's hardcore fans actually like that he makes stuff up.

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    Flake continues to not mince words. He calls out the whole GOP

    Republican Jeff Flake: 'My party might not deserve to lead'

    "If we are going to cloister ourselves in the alternative truth of an erratic leader, if we are going to refuse to live in a world that everyone else lives in ... then my party might not deserve to lead," the Arizona senator said in a speech at the National Press Club.
    Flake argued that "as we are discovering ... there is no damage like the damage that a president can do." He repeated a call he's been making for months to restore civility to politics during the Trump era, using lofty rhetoric to describe what he hopes will one day be a reckoning for American politics.

    "Never has a party abandoned, fled its principles and deeply held beliefs so quickly as my party did in the face of the nativist juggernaut," he said Thursday. "We have become strangers to ourselves."
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/15/polit...ump/index.html
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    McMaster out. Trump is winning like a motherf*kr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    McMaster out. Trump is winning like a motherf*kr.
    Good god, they are talking about John Bolton replacing him. Trump is so shitty.
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    kelly goes and no more adults in the room
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    I enjoyed this montage of Fox newscasters excoriating Obama for being willing to meet with the North Korean dictator, and then the same crew falling all over themselves praising Trump for wanting to do the same thing. https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/stat...747906/video/1

    That said, I'd like to see a similar montage for MSNBC that shows their derision in 2012 after Romney's "Russia is the greatest geopolitical threat" comment and their current views of Russia. I hate the MSNBC commentators considerably less than Hannity/Ingraham/Carlson, etc.,, but it's always fun to watch their do-si-do's as they rip on the other side of the spectrum and support their own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    I enjoyed this montage of Fox newscasters excoriating Obama for being willing to meet with the North Korean dictator, and then the same crew falling all over themselves praising Trump for wanting to do the same thing. https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/stat...747906/video/1

    That said, I'd like to see a similar montage for MSNBC that shows their derision in 2012 after Romney's "Russia is the greatest geopolitical threat" comment and their current views of Russia. I hate the MSNBC commentators considerably less than Hannity/Ingraham/Carlson, etc.,, but it's always fun to watch their do-si-do's as they rip on the other side of the spectrum and support their own.
    That was hilarious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    I enjoyed this montage of Fox newscasters excoriating Obama for being willing to meet with the North Korean dictator, and then the same crew falling all over themselves praising Trump for wanting to do the same thing. https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/stat...747906/video/1

    That said, I'd like to see a similar montage for MSNBC that shows their derision in 2012 after Romney's "Russia is the greatest geopolitical threat" comment and their current views of Russia. I hate the MSNBC commentators considerably less than Hannity/Ingraham/Carlson, etc.,, but it's always fun to watch their do-si-do's as they rip on the other side of the spectrum and support their own.
    I don't remember MSNBC's people ripping on Romney's Russia comment. it's been a while, but my memory of it is that they cared a lot more about the fact he was a rich guy and out of touch with the average American in their view. I could be remembering wrong, but outside of that one debate where Obama made the 80s joke, I don't remember Russia being a big deal at all in the campaign. They really harped a lot on Romney's off the record comment about how many don't pay taxes, though, among other things.
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