President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[Walter Sobchak]

Single payer US style will be a shit storm like one you have never seen before.

We currently spend by government expenditures 1.1 T per year through Medicare and Medicaid. All other healthcare expenditures are 2.2 T through private sources. Transferring that to government will mean we will have more delays and greater costs, so the single payer system will cost us approximately 4 T PER YEAR, or about 800 B more than the total US budget. Good luck with that dude. I can hardly wait. You complain about 5T spent on wars since 2011 but wouldn't complain about 5T being spent each year on government managed healthcare? Are you smoking some strong weed?

A single payer system will be implemented with the efficiency of Obamacare website.

You're right. Single payer is unrealistic. There’s no way we can survive without health insurance companies.

[frank ryan]

Nothing like having connections with the Trumps to help get matters with the DOJ settled.

http://www.businessinsider.com/why-w...7-7/?r=US&IR=T

[frank ryan]

UT is cheering on Trump?


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Duh

[Uncle Ted]

Single payer is inevitable.

We've spent several trillions on the "War on Terror" since 2001 and no one seems to give a shit; certainly not enough to repeal AUMF, reduce military spending, or prevent idiots from longing for the days of George W. Bush.

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Preach it bro. We need to get the hell out of all these countries and let them destroy themselves... Problem solved. Isolationism is where it is at, man!

Single payer US style will be a shit storm like one you have never seen before.

We currently spend by government expenditures 1.1 T per year through Medicare and Medicaid. All other healthcare expenditures are 2.2 T through private sources. Transferring that to government will mean we will have more delays and greater costs, so the single payer system will cost us approximately 4 T PER YEAR, or about 800 B more than the total US budget. Good luck with that dude. I can hardly wait. You complain about 5T spent on wars since 2011 but wouldn't complain about 5T being spent each year on government managed healthcare? Are you smoking some strong weed?

A single payer system will be implemented with the efficiency of Obamacare website.

I think you are way low on your estimate. We are not talking about sh*tty Canadian-like single payer crap that hands out aspirins that cost about a 3rd of what we Americans pay for them. We are talking about American-sized single payer that hands out free birth control for all the Sandra Flukes out there. Of course, the Big Pharma companies, healthcare providers, etc. and their lobbyists will write up the single payer bill so they will make sure profit big time on the people's tab. (Hint: Buy their stocks when this bill passes.) California Senate Bill 562 should give you an idea of what I am talking about. You need to think bigger, Top.

[frank ryan]

Sounds like Kushner remembered forgot to list 100 foreign contacts on his federal disclosure form. Good thing that's all sorted now.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...reign-contacts

[Uncle Ted]

Sounds like Kushner remembered forgot to list 100 foreign contacts on his federal disclosure form. Good thing that's all sorted now.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...reign-contacts

President Obama gave some good advice about all of this at one time...

Obama Tells Trump: Stop ‘Whining’ and Trying to Discredit the Election

President Obama ridiculed Donald J. Trump on Tuesday for saying that the presidential election was rigged against him, telling Mr. Trump, the Republican nominee, to “stop whining and go try to make his case” to win more votes than Hillary Clinton.
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https://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/10/1...-election.html

He said some things that actually made sense once in a while.

[Moliere]

Single payer is inevitable.

We are pretty much there already, thanks to Reagan. If you are sick, just go to the ER. Free healthcare.

I just hope they make it illegal to have health insurance/care outside the government single-payer system. That would be the only fair and right thing to do.

[frank ryan]

We are pretty much there already, thanks to Reagan. If you are sick, just go to the ER. Free healthcare.

I just hope they make it illegal to have health insurance/care outside the government single-payer system. That would be the only fair and right thing to do.

Were pretty much there!?! Wth are you talking about? We aren't close to single payer.

[Topper]

You're right. Single payer is unrealistic. There’s no way we can survive without health insurance companies.

People who believe that a single payer system could work in the US are naive and unfamiliar with the size of the systems in place, the massive disruption transiting to a completely bureaucratic system would cause and the massive increase in administrative costs that would be incurred.

1. Disruption.

Remember the disruption caused by the transition from a mostly free market system that involved roughly 40 to 60 Billion under Obamacare. There is a Goldman Sachs review that is far more thorough than the Rand Report relied upon by apologists that shows this.

But, somewhere between 4 to 6 Million lost existing policies that were superior to the Obamacare policies they received. Is our current system perfect? Is it good? Not necessarily.

A transition to a single payer system means 100s of millions would lose coverage and then be forced into transition.

2. Bureaucracy.

In countries where a single payer system exists, it is administered at a very micro level. See Denmark. The local taxes are collected locally and administered in units of 10,000 or less. All proposals for a US single payer system envisage a massive DC based bureaucracy with no local input. US bureaucracies are inherent failures, corrupt and incompetent. FedEx versus the Post Office.

The idea that we can turn it over the benevolent federal government is so naive, it is mind-boggling.

Does that mean I believe we shouldn't be actively involved in improving the system? Of course not. But they should be working with market realities, not relying on government bureaucrats to deliver something in this country which they can't do.

[Topper]

Preach it bro. We need to get the hell out of all these countries and let them destroy themselves... Problem solved. Isolationism is where it is at, man!



I think you are way low on your estimate. We are not talking about sh*tty Canadian-like single payer crap that hands out aspirins that cost about a 3rd of what we Americans pay for them. We are talking about American-sized single payer that hands out free birth control for all the Sandra Flukes out there. Of course, the Big Pharma companies, healthcare providers, etc. and their lobbyists will write up the single payer bill so they will make sure profit big time on the people's tab. (Hint: Buy their stocks when this bill passes.) California Senate Bill 562 should give you an idea of what I am talking about. You need to think bigger, Top.

The entire healthcare expenditures for 2014 was around 3.4 T, and we know government intrusion would exponentially expand this, and incur delays and more denials of care. Has anybody ever been involved in a Social Security disability proceeding? If you have, you would never want a single payer system.

[CardiacCoug]

Preach it bro. We need to get the hell out of all these countries and let them destroy themselves... Problem solved. Isolationism is where it is at, man!



I think you are way low on your estimate. We are not talking about sh*tty Canadian-like single payer crap that hands out aspirins that cost about a 3rd of what we Americans pay for them. We are talking about American-sized single payer that hands out free birth control for all the Sandra Flukes out there. Of course, the Big Pharma companies, healthcare providers, etc. and their lobbyists will write up the single payer bill so they will make sure profit big time on the people's tab. (Hint: Buy their stocks when this bill passes.) California Senate Bill 562 should give you an idea of what I am talking about. You need to think bigger, Top.

You think free birth control pills are expensive? Pretty sure not providing the birth control pills costs more in the long run.

[Jeff Lebowski]

UT is cheering on Trump?

Man, it must be tough living with chronic obtuseness. Hang in there, fella.

[Maximus]

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[Omaha 680]

I hate it when drug runners throw the large sacks of drugs over the border fence.

[Moliere]

Man, it must be tough living with chronic obtuseness. Hang in there, fella.

With your coaching I'll make it through. Thanks pal!


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