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    Elon Musk is sounding very Drumpf-like these days on the tweeter... calling out fake news:

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Oh man, Dear Leader isn't allowed to keep some people from commenting on his twitter feed? Geez, what's this world coming to?

    http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/23/medi...ers/index.html
    "We hold that portions of the @realDonaldTrump account -- the 'interactive space' where Twitter users may directly engage with the content of the President's tweets -- are properly analyzed under the "'public forum' doctrines set forth by the Supreme Court, that such space is a designated public forum, and that the blocking of the plaintiffs based on their political speech constitutes viewpoint discrimination that violates the First Amendment," Buchwald wrote.
    LOL... this judge just declared twitter to be a public forum. Therefore, twitter can't ban users or block any speech (including what they consider hate speech) posted on their site. In fact, this may apply to social media in general. Hey, someone needs to let the dumbasses over on Cougarboard know when they ban users they may be violating the first amendment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    LOL... this judge just declared twitter to be a public forum. Therefore, twitter can't ban users or block any speech (including what they consider hate speech) posted on their site. In fact, this may apply to social media in general. Hey, someone needs to let the dumbasses over on Cougarboard know when they ban users they may be violating the first amendment.
    I'm not a lawyer, but maybe the ruling has something to do with the fact that he is the POTUS. In other words, that twitter account is now "ours;" it's a public institution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Oh man, Dear Leader isn't allowed to keep some people from commenting on his twitter feed? Geez, what's this world coming to?

    http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/23/medi...ers/index.html
    I wish he didn't even have an account, but so do most people. This ruling still confuses me. Lately, the First Amendment seems to be interpreted pretty narrowly, and I'm not sure how a person blocking people from his feed violates it. Obviously, the court ruled that it applied because he is the POTUS, but what about his status renders him unable to block people without violating their constitutional rights? Does this apply to any elected official, down to, say, a school board member? That's really where the ruling confuses me: where does the application stop? Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with the ruling; I just don't understand it or it's implied boundaries. Any of you constitutional scholars willing to help a guy out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    LOL... this judge just declared twitter to be a public forum. Therefore, twitter can't ban users or block any speech (including what they consider hate speech) posted on their site. In fact, this may apply to social media in general. Hey, someone needs to let the dumbasses over on Cougarboard know when they ban users they may be violating the first amendment.
    The ruling is about the President's twitter, not just anyone's. He doesn't have to tweet, but when he chooses to communicate that way, because of his office and existing law that governs that office, it's property of the US and therefore comments about it are subject to First Amendment protection.

    I wonder if you'd been opposed if the ruling came out under the previous president: #whataboutobama

    Of course you wouldn't.

    Also, any real libertarian would care about allowing free speech on the public forums of the US government.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    I wish he didn't even have an account, but so do most people. This ruling still confuses me. Lately, the First Amendment seems to be interpreted pretty narrowly, and I'm not sure how a person blocking people from his feed violates it. Obviously, the court ruled that it applied because he is the POTUS, but what about his status renders him unable to block people without violating their constitutional rights? Does this apply to any elected official, down to, say, a school board member? That's really where the ruling confuses me: where does the application stop? Don't get me wrong, I'm fine with the ruling; I just don't understand it or it's implied boundaries. Any of you constitutional scholars willing to help a guy out?
    By existing statutes, the President's public statements belong to the US. I think that has a lot to do with it. As such, he doesn't get to pick and choose what speech is allowed to comment on statements he puts out there himself on a public forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    By existing statutes, the President's public statements belong to the US. I think that has a lot to do with it. As such, he doesn't get to pick and choose what speech is allowed to comment on statements he puts out there himself on a public forum.
    That makes sense. Thanks. As an aside, it's amazing that we've allowed such a small, thin-skinned person to become the president. I don't have twitter comments with as much vitriol responding to my tweets, but I've never even thought of blocking people who slam me because they disagree. It's twitter, for crying out loud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cowboy View Post
    That makes sense. Thanks. As an aside, it's amazing that we've allowed such a small, thin-skinned person to become the president. I don't have twitter comments with as much vitriol responding to my tweets, but I've never even thought of blocking people who slam me because they disagree. It's twitter, for crying out loud.
    I also doubt it's just people slamming him that he was probably wanting to block. A lot of it was satire, I'm sure. But there is no reason to think he wouldn't also want to block calm, well-reasoned debunking arguments that make his nonsensical statements look stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    The ruling is about the President's twitter, not just anyone's. He doesn't have to tweet, but when he chooses to communicate that way, because of his office and existing law that governs that office, it's property of the US and therefore subject to First Amendment protection.

    I wonder if you'd been opposed if the ruling came out under the previous president: #whataboutobama

    Of course you wouldn't.

    Also, any real libertarian would care about allowing free speech on the public forums of the US government.
    Yes, I would like to see those 30,000+ missing emails from SoS Hillary's server! What happened to those again?



    There might be some interesting ones about new yoga routines and Chelsea's wedding plans!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Yes, I would like to see those 30,000+ missing emails from SoS Hillary's server! What happened to those again?



    There might be some interesting ones about new yoga routines and Chelsea's wedding plans!
    Ask Trump to get them for you from his Russian friends.

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    I wonder now if everyone is still saying Trump deserves the Nobel Prize...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Ask Trump to get them for you from his Russian friends.
    Was Hillary's email password "p@ssw0rd" too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northwestcoug View Post
    I wonder now if everyone is still saying Trump deserves the Nobel Prize...
    Yeah, Drumpf may deserve some other kind of prize instead... He got Kim Long-dung to release the American hostages prisoners and destroy their nuclear development site without even meeting and giving him anything:

    North Korea Said It Destroyed Nuclear Site, Hours Before Trump Cancelled Meeting

    North Korea said on Thursday that it had destroyed its only known nuclear test site, three weeks before its leader, Kim Jong-un, had been planning to meet with President Trump.


    Hours after the North Korean announcement, Mr. Trump announced he had canceled the meeting “based on the tremendous anger and open hostility” displayed by Mr. Kim’s government in recent statements.
    [...]
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/asia/north-korea-shuts-nuclear-test-site.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Yes, I would like to see those 30,000+ missing emails from SoS Hillary's server! What happened to those again?



    There might be some interesting ones about new yoga routines and Chelsea's wedding plans!

    Sure glad you’re focused on her instead of the shitbird in the White House. Did you read on 4chan or Twitter about how Tillerson wanted to designate Russia a state sponsor of terror before he was fired?
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    These coins were minted prematurely:

    Former Trump aide mocks 'idiot' who ordered commemorative coins for Kim summit

    A former adviser to President Trump's 2016 campaign mocked the White House for making commemorative coins to mark the now-canceled nuclear summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...mit/ar-AAxKL5a

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Yeah, Drumpf may deserve some other kind of prize instead... He got Kim Long-dung to release the American hostages prisoners and destroy their nuclear development site without even meeting and giving him anything:
    You're nuts. Trump already gave N. Korea something no other US president has ever done. He called him "gracious" and scheduled a summit as though the murderer of Pyongyang somehow deserves to be treated as an equal, or called "gracious" for releasing hostages. That's all Kim really wanted. Oh yeah, there was also Trump's "absolute guarantee" of Kim's "safety," whatever the freak that means. Previous presidents have only had multilateral talks with China and our allies who are directly affected -- S. Korea and Japan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    While we're on the subject, maybe you can explain why it's ok for Trump's staff to use their personal emails for government business.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/u...er-bannon.html

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...server/541017/

    http://thehill.com/homenews/administ...or-white-house

    https://www.politico.com/story/2017/...warning-243324

    Also, "pay to play" seems to be ok for Trump also. Didn't the Saudi's give Trump some money so the US would take their side in a silly dispute with Qatar that the US should have nothing to do with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    These coins were minted prematurely:

    Former Trump aide mocks 'idiot' who ordered commemorative coins for Kim summit

    A former adviser to President Trump's 2016 campaign mocked the White House for making commemorative coins to mark the now-canceled nuclear summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...mit/ar-AAxKL5a

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    OMG! I need one of those coins. It would look good sitting next to my "Madam President" Newsweek:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    OMG! I need one of those coins. I would look good sitting next to my "Madam President" Newsweek:

    When does Trump get the statue of himself installed somewhere on the National Mall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    When does Trump get the statue of himself installed somewhere on the National Mall?
    Statue on the national mall? You need to think bigly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Yeah, Drumpf may deserve some other kind of prize instead... He got Kim Long-dung to release the American hostages prisoners and destroy their nuclear development site without even meeting and giving him anything:


    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/asia/north-korea-shuts-nuclear-test-site.html
    Yes, Ted. Thank you for reminding us once again, that no matter what criticism we level at Trump, that a)us (or the media) are always forgetting anything slightly praiseworthy about him, and/or b)He's better than the unthinkable Hillary as president.

    But you didn't reply with an unfunny cartoon from a conservative artist, however. Don't forget!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Statue on the national mall? You need to think bigly!

    How could they possibly fit Donald's head in such a small place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Statue on the national mall? You need to think bigly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by swampfrog View Post
    That's an exact likeness of the pre-surgery version, unfortunately the post-surgery version is worse.
    The only thing that matters here is what Obama and/or Hilary looked like pre and post surgery.

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    Trump only accuses others of what he does himself. Just another example:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...n-nuclear-deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    And just like that the trade war with China seems to be over...

    Yeah, #WhatAboutObama? I am sure he had a lot to do with ending this trade war.
    Oops
    http://money.cnn.com/2018/05/29/news...ffs/index.html

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    Trump: "Immigrants are animals...they look so innocent- they're not so innocent"

    Trumpers: "HE MEANT MS-13 YOU ASSHOLES! PAY ATTENTION TO CONTEXT!"

    Meanwhile, in Brownville, Texas...





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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    Trump: "Immigrants are animals...they look so innocent- they're not so innocent"

    Trumpers: "HE MEANT MS-13 YOU ASSHOLES! PAY ATTENTION TO CONTEXT!"

    Meanwhile, in Brownville, Texas...





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    Lol...that photo is from 2014. Well into Obama's 2nd Term. That's a big whiff by the press.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Tick View Post
    Lol...that photo is from 2014. Well into Obama's 2nd Term. That's a big whiff by the press.
    Still bad. What Trump really does differently is ramp up the vitriolic language around immigration, as well as also rail against LEGAL immigration.
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    Here's the kind of piece you'd wish Trump supporters would read. The author is a Republican "strategist" which means he's one of those evil "establishment" people Trumpists are supposed to hate, I guess.

    "For some Americans — a minority, I pray — Trump is a pied piper luring the credulous and the uninformed into accepting lies over truth, comfort over reality and conspiracy over fact. In Trump's world and that of his angry minions, the winning doesn't stop, the vast left-wing conspiracy's witch-hunt against him is both broad and insidious, and the truth is what he wants it to be on any given day.

    Maintaining the Trump illusion requires an endless suspension of disbelief; denying facts, logic, reason, the law and the utterly evident cluster-you-know-what that this administration represents. The pinnacle of that illusion-at-all-costs philosophy came after the revelation that an FBI informant followed up on leads that Trump campaign foreign policy aides Carter Page and George Papadopoulos had been playing footsie with the Russians.

    The President wants you to call the FBI's Russian counterintelligence program Spygate, but rational people have declined to indulge him. Stupidgate is instead just a ludicrous new chapter in the long chronicle of Trump dumbassery.

    The central unspinnable story of the past week is the one over which Trump feels the most pressing anxiety. Three new stories reported on Michael Cohen's latest avenues of legal jeopardy, all of which increase the risk Cohen flips on Trump to Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

    First, Cohen's longtime business associate Evgeny "The Taxi King" Freidman copped a plea deal and agreed to cooperate with the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York against Cohen. This development is bad news from every angle for both Cohen and Trump.

    There's not a chance in hell Freidman would have been given an easy plea deal unless he had something to provide prosecutors on Cohen, and by extension, Trump.

    Freidman comes from the same Russian circles as Cohen and Trump partner Felix Sater. I know you're asking the same question I do all the time: for a President who claims to have never had anything to do with Russia, Russian business interests or Russian money, why are there so many Russians and so much Russian money tied to him?

    As if that wasn't bad enough, the BBC's Paul Wood delivered another hard blow. In an impeccably sourced piece, Wood revealed this week that Cohen (along with the aforementioned Sater) worked illegally on behalf of Ukraine, adding "lobbyist" to his usual roles as the fixer for and conduit to Trump. The BBC reports that Cohen took a $400,000 to $600,000 payoff from Ukrainian interests without bothering the register under the Foreign Agents Registration Act. Oh, that Foreign Agents Registration Act. You know, the law that requires anyone doing paid work on behalf of a foreign government to register with the United States Department of Justice.

    On Friday, one more piece of bad news ratcheted Cohen's stress level even higher when it was revealed that he met with Viktor Vekselberg, a Russian oligarch deeply tied to Putin, in January of 2017, just before Trump's inauguration.

    The denials from Team Trump that they have anything to do with Russia, their assertions that they have no business in Russia, didn't collude with Russia, didn't coordinate with Russia, never borrowed money from Russians, didn't accept dirt on Hillary Clinton from Russia, don't know any Russians, have never met any Russians and have never heard of the country of Russia ring more hollow with every revelation.

    The vise squeezing Cohen is tightening, and every day that passes increases the chances he'll turn Judas on his friend and boss. Trump knows what Cohen knows, and what Cohen knows about Trump's business dealings, finances, taxes, serial infidelities, hush money to adult film stars (and Lord knows who else) isn't pretty."

    http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/t...icle-1.4010243
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