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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    You've kind of changed the question.

    Once someone has walked 2000+ miles to escape this horrific situation you describe, if they were to be denied the hoped for relief - I wouldn't be surprised if they began to think and behave irrationally. They are desperate. Often desperate people don't act or think rationally.
    It would be a pretty extreme situation that would require someone to get shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    Actually, the troops being deployed are National Guard troops, so Posse Comitatus doesn't apply. I remember carrying a loaded M16 in New Orleans--never thought I'd see the day.



    Border protection is an interesting function, and you certainly wouldn't expect our standing army to be prohibited from doing so. I hope America never sees full scale war on its soil ever again.
    The 800 people being assigned are active duty military, ordered from the Pentagon. Not National Guard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    It would be a pretty extreme situation that would require someone to get shot.
    I don't disagree.

    But if she said there was no chance ever that anyone could be shot, and then someone was, how well would that go over? Better or worse than saying "that's silly - no one is going to get shot over this" and then they do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    I don't disagree.

    But if she said there was no chance ever that anyone could be shot, and then someone was, how well would that go over? Better or worse than saying "that's silly - no one is going to get shot over this" and then they do?
    "right now" is pretty ominous sounding even if it wasn't meant that way. Maybe she's just a horrible spokesperson and that's it. I truly hope that's all it is. The problem is it's hard for some not to assume the least humanitarian interpretation of that from an administration that has already taken children away and secretly shipped them to other states without so much as keeping track of who their parents were.

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    Not an important point but obviously they aren't walking the whole way from Honduras. Mostly by hired transport like bus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    "right now" is pretty ominous sounding even if it wasn't meant that way. Maybe she's just a horrible spokesperson and that's it. I truly hope that's all it is. The problem is it's hard for some not to assume the least humanitarian interpretation of that from an administration that has already taken children away and secretly shipped them to other states without so much as keeping track of who their parents were.
    Trump's MO right now right before midterms is to ramp up the hysteria and scare tactics however he can. OH NOES THERE IS AN INVASION AFOOT! Oh f*k right off, you orange douche nozzle. His lieutenants aren't deviating from that script. Hence the 'AS OF RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A BIT OF A MEXICAN STANDOFF IF YOU WILL WITH THE CARAVAN OF MALNOURISHED TODDLERS WHO ARE CLEARLY WELL PAID CRISIS ACTORS AND MIDDLE EASTERNERS WITH FAKE HISPANIC NAMES AND MS13 MEMBERS FROM HONDURAS EVEN THOUGH IT'S AN LA GANG THAT EXPANDS OUTWARD NOT INWARD AND ALSO EACH OF WHOM FORGOT TO GET THEIR MS13 TATTOOS. OUR RIFLES ARE TRAINED ON THEIR NECKS BUT WE DON'T WANT TO MOW THEM ALL DOWN JUUUUST YET!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LVAllen View Post
    The 800 people being assigned are active duty military, ordered from the Pentagon. Not National Guard.
    Yes, I stand corrected. That's an interesting development, but as a border mission, I see no problem with that. Sounds like they're support troops, and likely unarmed, though I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the weapons are secured close by.

    I read that some law enforcement personnel on the border are saying the troops are making zero difference and it's a collosal waste of resources.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post

    I read that some law enforcement personnel on the border are saying the troops are making zero difference and it's a collosal waste of resources.
    Of course it is. What is probably going to happen is that people will bed down along the border fence like they're waiting for concert tickets while CBP does its best to get them sorted out one at a time for asylum screening. The media spotlight is too bright right now to just tell them any ol' shit and illegally turn them away like they're used to doing-- which turns out is a lot easier by the way-- so it'll take a while.
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    I agree that more context may be needed for the Secretary's statement, but imagine a law enforcement officer saying the same thing just before a peaceful demonstration in D.C., a march in Selma, or even Burning Man. Is there any evidence that participants in the "caravan" are armed or a physical threat? Evidence other than Trump's typically baseless assurances that there are members of MS-13 and Middle Easterners hiding among the rest of the group?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    I agree that more context may be needed for the Secretary's statement, but imagine a law enforcement officer saying the same thing just before a peaceful demonstration in D.C., a march in Selma, or even Burning Man. Is there any evidence that participants in the "caravan" are armed or a physical threat? Evidence other than Trump's typically baseless assurances that there are members of MS-13 and Middle Easterners hiding among the rest of the group?

    There are 4-10k people, the leaders of whom are using rhetoric suggesting they plan to rush the border and get in. Is that a threat of violence? Do we have the right and even obligation to control the integrity of our national borders? I just don't get the excitement here. The military is being used to protect the border. If the aliens don't rush the military, don't attack the military, etc., then there will be no problem. If the military on the border is threatened by persons outside of the border seeking to violate the border's integrity, then I would expect them to be prepared to defend themselves. If, by contrast, there is no threat and these aliens simply wait to be processed, then the military should not shoot.

    I actually just tracked down the interview Nielsen gave to Fox News. A couple of interesting things:

    1. WHen asked if the military is armed, she said all rules of engagement for the military are set by Secretary Mattis. She expects these rules of engagement to be determined as they gain more information about the caravan and its destination and its conduct.

    2. Rules of Engagement for Border Patrol services are the same as they have been; no change.

    3. She was asked "if people cross the border will they be shot at?" in response to which she said "We do not have any intention right now to shoot at anyone but they will be apprehended." She then also points out that officers have the right to self defense. She was then asked the follow-up "So, if they (the military or border patrol agents) are shot at they will shoot back?" and she said "No, not necessarily, we would have to work through that."

    Here is the link to the videotaped interview, these comments are at about the 2:00 minute mark.

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/10/2...cannot-come-us

    WTH is wrong with that position or those comments? In fact, after listening to the interview, it is very, very clear that the CNN characterization was very misleading and seems meant to stir up the precise reaction some of you have had here, as opposed to trying to accurately report what the secretary actually said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Yes. It's rational to walk away from a horrific situation in their home country of complete anarchy. is this even a serious question? Maybe if you were in the same situation you would make a different decision, but that doesn't mean either decision is irrational.
    I'm not talking about the rationality of their decision to leave their country, but I suspect you know that. Put yourself in their shoes: you walk hundreds, maybe thousands of miles to escape anarchy, violence, poverty, etc. Maybe you bring your wife and children, because you are concerned for their safety back home. You make this incredible sacrifice and difficult trek, only to be stopped at the very last second by armed guards. Your objective is so close you can taste it. You are tired, hungry, thirsty, perhaps dehydrated, frustrated.

    I don't think it is out of the question that a portion of these people, having been thus denied, would act maybe a bit irrationally, a bit angrily, and attack the armed border guards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    It would be a pretty extreme situation that would require someone to get shot.
    No, it would be an entirely foreseeable situation.

    Besides, if they army/national guard didn't have guns, how effective would they be at turning away a hoard of 7,000 people?
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    There are 4-10k people, the leaders of whom are using rhetoric suggesting they plan to rush the border and get in. Is that a threat of violence? Do we have the right and even obligation to control the integrity of our national borders? I just don't get the excitement here. The military is being used to protect the border. If the aliens don't rush the military, don't attack the military, etc., then there will be no problem. If the military on the border is threatened by persons outside of the border seeking to violate the border's integrity, then I would expect them to be prepared to defend themselves. If, by contrast, there is no threat and these aliens simply wait to be processed, then the military should not shoot.

    I actually just tracked down the interview Nielsen gave to Fox News. A couple of interesting things:

    1. WHen asked if the military is armed, she said all rules of engagement for the military are set by Secretary Mattis. She expects these rules of engagement to be determined as they gain more information about the caravan and its destination and its conduct.

    2. Rules of Engagement for Border Patrol services are the same as they have been; no change.

    3. She was asked "if people cross the border will they be shot at?" in response to which she said "We do not have any intention right now to shoot at anyone but they will be apprehended." She then also points out that officers have the right to self defense. She was then asked the follow-up "So, if they (the military or border patrol agents) are shot at they will shoot back?" and she said "No, not necessarily, we would have to work through that."

    Here is the link to the videotaped interview, these comments are at about the 2:00 minute mark.

    http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/10/2...cannot-come-us

    WTH is wrong with that position or those comments? In fact, after listening to the interview, it is very, very clear that the CNN characterization was very misleading and seems meant to stir up the precise reaction some of you have had here, as opposed to trying to accurately report what the secretary actually said.
    The highlighted statements should be obvious to anyone.

    The interview question, missing from the original report and quoted response, adds some context that I noted was missing. Still, while I am neither "excited" nor angered () by the quote, I don't like it--the "right now" qualifier is unnecessarily inflammatory for both sides of the issue (to those on the left, it's evidence of a potentially brutal response; to those on the far right, it feeds the macho "stop 'em at all costs" mentality). Unfortunately, Trump, and occasionally his underlings, use words like sledgehammers rather than scalpels.
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    FTR, I have no plans to chop some of you to bits with an ax right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    FTR, I have no plans to chop some of you to bits with an ax right now.
    What if I walked from Houston to Utah and you denied me entry into your house?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    What if I walked from Houston to Utah and you denied me entry into your house?
    OK, OK, maybe plans will change. But right now I have no plans to murder you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    What if I walked from Houston to Utah and you denied me entry into your house?
    Well, are you violently trying to enter his house?
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Well, are you violently trying to enter his house?
    No, Moli just wants JL to adopt him so he can live in his basement... Houston is a very violent place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    I agree that more context may be needed for the Secretary's statement, but imagine a law enforcement officer saying the same thing just before a peaceful demonstration in D.C., a march in Selma, or even Burning Man. Is there any evidence that participants in the "caravan" are armed or a physical threat? Evidence other than Trump's typically baseless assurances that there are members of MS-13 and Middle Easterners hiding among the rest of the group?
    I believe the politically correct term for these folks is "bad hombres".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    I believe the politically correct term for these folks is "bad hombres".
    Dang it--I had typed "bad hombres" before changing it to "the group," not wanting to pile on. Should have gone with my gut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Holy Cow! How about taking thw quotation IN CONTEXT:

    "We do not have any intention right now to shoot at people, but they will be apprehended, however," Nielsen said in an interview with Fox News. "But I also take my officers and agents, their own personal safety, extraordinarily seriously. They do have the ability, of course, to defend themselves."

    Does that sentiment truly alarm you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    Trump's MO right now right before midterms is to ramp up the hysteria and scare tactics however he can. OH NOES THERE IS AN INVASION AFOOT! Oh f*k right off, you orange douche nozzle. His lieutenants aren't deviating from that script. Hence the 'AS OF RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A BIT OF A MEXICAN STANDOFF IF YOU WILL WITH THE CARAVAN OF MALNOURISHED TODDLERS WHO ARE CLEARLY WELL PAID CRISIS ACTORS AND MIDDLE EASTERNERS WITH FAKE HISPANIC NAMES AND MS13 MEMBERS FROM HONDURAS EVEN THOUGH IT'S AN LA GANG THAT EXPANDS OUTWARD NOT INWARD AND ALSO EACH OF WHOM FORGOT TO GET THEIR MS13 TATTOOS. OUR RIFLES ARE TRAINED ON THEIR NECKS BUT WE DON'T WANT TO MOW THEM ALL DOWN JUUUUST YET!
    This development is playing right into the hands of the Repubs since their position actually aligns with the views of most Americans. Borders matter. President Trump is playing this brilliantly by making the Dems choose one of two unenviable choices. Behind Door #1 take the side of the "peoples without borders" against the POTUS and against the majority view of American voters. Or take door #2 and agree with President Trump's administration that no, you actually don't get to pass through a half-dozen other countries and expect us to throw out the welcome mat... regardless of the color of your skin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Non Sequitur View Post
    If I walk into a biker bar and announce to the room that I am carrying a gun and that I'm not afraid to use it, what's the message I'm sending?
    That you’re sort of a dumbass.


    And also may not be too good at analogies, with respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    This development is playing right into the hands of the Repubs since their position actually aligns with the views of most Americans. Borders matter. President Trump is playing this brilliantly by making the Dems choose one of two unenviable choices. Behind Door #1 take the side of the "peoples without borders" against the POTUS and against the majority view of American voters. Or take door #2 and agree with President Trump's administration that no, you actually don't get to pass through a half-dozen other countries and expect us to throw out the welcome mat... regardless of the color of your skin.
    If the people in this caravan were pulling handcarts, do you suppose Americans would be more charitable towards them, since they have arguably already been invited by virtue of America's own laws?

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    That you’re sort of a dumbass.


    And also may not be too good at analogies, with respect.
    Everyone knows and understands that border agents would defend themselves if necessary. To preemptively announce that you don't yet intend to shoot people is unnecessary and unproductive chest puffery. Throwing down the gauntlet does nothing but escalate tensions and increase the likelihood of violence, which I believe is Trump's dream scenario. For two years Trump has tried to paint immigrants as violent thugs and criminals who pose a threat to our country's security. Trump wants violence at the border. He wants to point to himself and say I told you so. He wants to show that immigrants are indeed violent and that they pose a threat.
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    I don't think this helps the "seeking asylum" argument...

    Migrant caravan members reject offer to stay in Mexico


    Under the "You are at home" plan, they would have received benefits if they applied for refugee status and stayed in the country's two southernmost states.

    Several thousand Central American migrants turned down a Mexican offer of benefits if they applied for refugee status and stayed in the country's two southernmost states, vowing to set out before dawn Saturday to continue their long trek toward the U.S. border.
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    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/m...mexico-n925171
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    I don't think this helps the "seeking asylum" argument...


    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/m...mexico-n925171
    Considering that Mexico is not the least bit safe for refugees to remain long-term, I don't think it hurts the argument at all.

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...ca-immigration

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVAllen View Post
    Considering that Mexico is not the least bit safe for refugees to remain long-term, I don't think it hurts the argument at all.

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-d...ca-immigration
    Mexico has very strict gun laws... that by the Dems definition, makes it very safe!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Non Sequitur View Post
    Everyone knows and understands that border agents would defend themselves if necessary. To preemptively announce that you don't yet intend to shoot people is unnecessary and unproductive chest puffery. Throwing down the gauntlet does nothing but escalate tensions and increase the likelihood of violence, which I believe is Trump's dream scenario. For two years Trump has tried to paint immigrants as violent thugs and criminals who pose a threat to our country's security. Trump wants violence at the border. He wants to point to himself and say I told you so. He wants to show that immigrants are indeed violent and that they pose a threat.
    I really think you are over-thinking this. The statement over which so many posts have been made was a comment, not a policy statement, made in response to a question about whether the migrants will be shot. It would be like asking a SAC commander in the 60s if we are planning a first strike. They would have said "no, not at this time, but we reserve that right." It is always true and just isn't that big of a deal. Trump clearly opposes immigration and he has said and done things that make it appear his motivation for doing so is based in racism. That said, there are very legitimate and proper reasons to protect the integrity of our borders. So when the cabinet representative in charge of border security, in response to a question about whether the deployed military will shoot anyone that illegally enters, says that we have no plans to shoot anyone, and that we don't even have plans to shot if we are shot at, but keeps that possibility open, I see nothing wrong with it and, in fact, I think it is a fairly reasonable statement given the ludicrous things Trump tends to say.

    Further, I fail to understand why people aren't annoyed at CNN for constructing a headline and article that is clearly misleading and tries itself to stir the passions that you are talking about. The way it was presented by the CNN article, which was technically accurate but misleading, is more likely to result in escalated tensions and, ultimately, violence, than the statement itself.

    Either way, bragging about a gun in a biker bar is not a good idea.
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    We need to return the Statue of Liberty back to France with the way people's attitudes have shifted. I don't mean the very real need for border control and protection, but the racist invective.

    Not to mention the retooling of immigration policy to try and render that phrase/poetry inscripted on it incorrect.
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