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    Quote Originally Posted by SCcoug View Post
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    So does this prove he must be a democrat plant because the pictures on the van are just part of the act?

    Trump is pissed. We could be talking politics and instead it's all about this "bomb stuff"

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    Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, referring to US troops who are expected to be deployed to the southern border to deter an incoming migrant caravan, said Thursday that "we do not have any intention right now to shoot at people."

    Holy cow. No intention "right now."

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/26/polit...ump/index.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, referring to US troops who are expected to be deployed to the southern border to deter an incoming migrant caravan, said Thursday that "we do not have any intention right now to shoot at people."

    Holy cow. No intention "right now."

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/26/polit...ump/index.html
    Holy Cow! How about taking thw quotation IN CONTEXT:

    "We do not have any intention right now to shoot at people, but they will be apprehended, however," Nielsen said in an interview with Fox News. "But I also take my officers and agents, their own personal safety, extraordinarily seriously. They do have the ability, of course, to defend themselves."

    Does that sentiment truly alarm you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Holy Cow! How about taking thw quotation IN CONTEXT:

    "We do not have any intention right now to shoot at people, but they will be apprehended, however," Nielsen said in an interview with Fox News. "But I also take my officers and agents, their own personal safety, extraordinarily seriously. They do have the ability, of course, to defend themselves."

    Does that sentiment truly alarm you?
    the words "RIGHT NOW" yes alarm me. Why shouldn't it at least a little. Good hell. That makes it sound like it's a possibility at some point, doesn't it?

    I also never thought the US government would be guilty of taking small children away from their parents and secretly shipping them overnight to a totally different part of the country without as much as writing down the name or location of their parents so they could be reunited later. But it happened under this immoral administration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Holy Cow! How about taking thw quotation IN CONTEXT:

    "We do not have any intention right now to shoot at people, but they will be apprehended, however," Nielsen said in an interview with Fox News. "But I also take my officers and agents, their own personal safety, extraordinarily seriously. They do have the ability, of course, to defend themselves."

    Does that sentiment truly alarm you?
    Actually, it does. Deployed troops who are providing logistical support should be nowhere near a situation in which they might be apprehending anyone.

    They are not law enforcement. They are prohibited from engaging in law enforcement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    RIGHT NOW yes alarms me. Why shouldn't it. Good hell. That makes it sound like it's a possibility at some point, doesn't it?
    Because she is leaving open the possibility they will need to defend themselves. Yes, that is really CRAZY!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LVAllen View Post
    Actually, it does. Deployed troops who are providing logistical support should be nowhere near a situation in which they might be apprehending anyone.

    They are not law enforcement. They are prohibited from engaging in law enforcement.
    She didn't say the military would necessarily be apprehending anyone, which I think is fairly clear. And this is not domestic law enforcement, this is border protection. You may not like the policy, which is a different issue, but if the military is there, at the border, and they are attacked, at he border, and need to defend themselves, at the border, from persons coming from outside the border, then yes, I would expect them to exercise the right to defend themselves. How can that possibly be controversial?
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Because she is leaving open the possibility they will need to defend themselves. Yes, that is really CRAZY!
    They won't need to defend themselves. That's silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    They won't need to defend themselves. That's silly.
    So, in other words, her statement doesn't bother you at all. Unless you get all HOLY COW about irrelevant but typical policy statements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    They won't need to defend themselves. That's silly.
    How can you possibly know that?
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    So, in other words, her statement doesn't bother you at all. Unless you get all HOLY COW about irrelevant but typical policy statements.
    At best it was severely poorly worded.

    At worst she knows the President really would prefer the military go down there to mow everyone down with machine guns who tries to step over the border and this is her best attempt to appease both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LVAllen View Post
    They are not law enforcement. They are prohibited from engaging in law enforcement.
    Actually, the troops being deployed are National Guard troops, so Posse Comitatus doesn't apply. I remember carrying a loaded M16 in New Orleans--never thought I'd see the day.

    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    She didn't say the military would necessarily be apprehending anyone, which I think is fairly clear. And this is not domestic law enforcement, this is border protection. You may not like the policy, which is a different issue, but if the military is there, at the border, and they are attacked, at he border, and need to defend themselves, at the border, from persons coming from outside the border, then yes, I would expect them to exercise the right to defend themselves. How can that possibly be controversial?
    Border protection is an interesting function, and you certainly wouldn't expect our standing army to be prohibited from doing so. I hope America never sees full scale war on its soil ever again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    How can you possibly know that?
    most people are rational enough not to just attack someone holding a machine gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post

    At worst she knows the President really would prefer the military go down there to mow everyone down with machine guns who tries to step over the border and this is her best attempt to appease both sides.
    Seriously? That's really what you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Seriously? That's really what you think?
    Not until her "right now" comment. That's why it's alarming. Of course so was the separation of families policy.

    I have more faith in the members of the national guard that they wouldn't do it even if ordered though.

    I have zero faith in the sociopath piece of shit in the oval office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Not until her "right now" comment.
    Then you are being unreasonable. It really is that simple.
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    Will this be the biggest mid-term turnout ever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babs View Post
    Will this be the biggest mid-term turnout ever?
    Historically the dems do better in high-turnout elections. Who knows what is normal anymore though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    most people are rational enough not to just attack someone holding a machine gun.
    We are talking about a caravan of people walking across central america to get to the U.S., only to be stopped by the National Guard just feet away from the border, and you are relying on their rationality?
    Ain't it like most people, I'm no different. We love to talk on things we don't know about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Historically the dems do better in high-turnout elections. Who knows what is normal anymore though.
    But sketchy things are going on in places like Georgia and Kansas that might supress the turnout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    But sketchy things are going on in places like Georgia and Kansas that might supress the turnout.
    Sketchy things like requiring identification to register and or vote? Or moving the Dodge city polling place ? It must be the Russians.


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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Sketchy things like requiring identification to register and or vote? Or moving the Dodge city polling place ? It must be the Russians.


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    Don't be a dick. Things like purging people from the voting roles for not voting in a single election is one example. Georgia's voting machines, some of which of 17 years have already been reportedly malfunctioning. Georgia refuses to keep a paper trail of votes for auditing reasons. The Dodge City polling place example is also fucked up, as is other polling places be closed in predominantly black communities, in states like Georgia. North Dakota's law requiring a street address when Native Americans on reservations don't have them etc.

    And yeah, our elections are vulnerable to the Russians who wouldn't really face many consequences for trying interfere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Don't be a dick.
    Is there something besides requiring ID, in the instance of Georgia, or the Dodge City Kansas hoo-ha, that constitutes the sketchy things you are talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    They won't need to defend themselves. That's silly.
    Of course they won't. But you know-- those scary malnourished Honduran families are brown, after all. Anybody who has patrolled the border (and I have former military friends who were assigned there) know that those duties consist largely of listening to books on tape in the truck and occasionally giving water jugs and space blankets to wandering sojourners before they are passed off to CBP for asylum screening. Maybe one family a day on a patrol under normal circumstances. A caravan will necessitate more water and more space blankets.


    Let me add something else: Why the f*ck is this shit-mouth Nielsen framing the issue in terms of some military action or "invasion?" "no plans to shoot now" ffs. That is 100% white nationalist speak that is coached up in the Trump administration. No talk whatsoever about the logistics of doing what they obviously should be doing, which is screening each person for asylum and gee- I don't know-- maybe contemplating the U.S.' prominent role in those countries' state of crisis right now?

    This is the same person who lied to America on TV about the Trump administration's policy of kidnapping children to deter people from pursuing asylum claims, so... if you're taking her at her word you are willfully gullible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Seriously? That's really what you think?
    I'm not sure that's what a rational person would think, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    We are talking about a caravan of people walking across central america to get to the U.S., only to be stopped by the National Guard just feet away from the border, and you are relying on their rationality?
    Yes. It's rational to walk away from a horrific situation in their home country of complete anarchy. is this even a serious question? Maybe if you were in the same situation you would make a different decision, but that doesn't mean either decision is irrational.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    So does this prove he must be a democrat plant because the pictures on the van are just part of the act?

    Trump is pissed. We could be talking politics and instead it's all about this "bomb stuff"
    The lengths to which Trump's enemies will go is crazy out there. This should dispel any doubts about the uphill battle we all face to Make America Great Again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    Of course they won't. But you know-- those scary malnourished Honduran families are brown, after all. Anybody who has patrolled the border (and I have former military friends who were assigned there) know that those duties consist largely of listening to books on tape in the truck and occasionally giving water jugs and space blankets to wandering sojourners before they are passed off to CBP for asylum screening. Maybe one family a day on a patrol under normal circumstances. A caravan will necessitate more water and more space blankets.


    Let me add something else: Why the f*ck is this shit-mouth Nielsen framing the issue in terms of some military action or "invasion?" "no plans to shoot now" ffs. That is 100% white nationalist speak that is coached up in the Trump administration. No talk whatsoever about the logistics of doing what they obviously should be doing, which is screening each person for asylum and gee- I don't know-- maybe contemplating the U.S.' prominent role in those countries' state of crisis right now? ....
    I might be wrong, but I'm assuming that the statement we're all talking about was in response to a specific question. And I'd be curious what the question was that she was responding to before jumping to conclusions. I seriously doubt she walked right up to the mic and led with "we don't plan to shoot these people...for now."

    I suspect that some reporter asked her about possible responses from the military from this "invasion", as it has been called by some. And I suspect that some reporter wanted to know what the response would be if they are viewing it as an "invasion".

    Anyone have a link to video of the comments and questions leading up to them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Yes. It's rational to walk away from a horrific situation in their home country of complete anarchy. is this even a serious question? Maybe you were in the same situation you would make a different decision, but that doesn't mean either person is irrational.
    You've kind of changed the question.

    Once someone has walked 2000+ miles to escape this horrific situation you describe, if they were to be denied the hoped for relief - I wouldn't be surprised if they began to think and behave irrationally. They are desperate. Often desperate people don't act or think rationally.

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