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  • Originally posted by Crockett View Post
    Tariffs aren't unique to dictators. Plenty of our trading partners use them against us already.

    Trump says some over the top towards the press, but honestly sometimes they deserved it. They have very often been far from objective. They hate Trump so much it clouds their judgment. There are so many instances of biased reporting and genuinely fake news. Also, this isn't whataboutism to say Obama had a worse record versus the press. He put a bunch of journalist sources / whistleblowers in jail using the espionage act. The Obama Justice Department accessed the personal email of a Fox News reporter and surveilled the reporter’s parents and colleagues. They seized the home, work and mobile phone records of AP journalists. Has Trump done anything like this? If Obama wasn't a dictator press-wise then Trump certainly isn't.

    Which civil liberties are being curtailed? Non-citizens that aren't entitled to the same constitutional protections as citizens, even if we should handle the situation better?

    What floors me is the stuff that Obama got away with that was far more dictator-ish than what Trump has done, but because most of the mainstream media are democrats and Obama was their guy they rarely called it out / let it slide.
    Uh... yeah, that is most certainly whataboutism.
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    • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
      Uh... yeah, that is most certainly whataboutism.
      Way to side-step the point: If Obama wasn't a dictator press-wise then Trump certainly isn't.

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      • Originally posted by Crockett View Post
        Way to side-step the point: If Obama wasn't a dictator press-wise then Trump certainly isn't.
        Trump has been far more hostile to the press. Can't believe that is even a point of debate.
        "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
        "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
        "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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        • Originally posted by Crockett View Post
          Tariffs aren't unique to dictators. Plenty of our trading partners use them against us already.

          Trump says some over the top towards the press, but honestly sometimes they deserved it. They have very often been far from objective. They hate Trump so much it clouds their judgment. There are so many instances of biased reporting and genuinely fake news. Also, this isn't whataboutism to say Obama had a worse record versus the press. He put a bunch of journalist sources / whistleblowers in jail using the espionage act. The Obama Justice Department accessed the personal email of a Fox News reporter and surveilled the reporter’s parents and colleagues. They seized the home, work and mobile phone records of AP journalists. Has Trump done anything like this? If Obama wasn't a dictator press-wise then Trump certainly isn't.

          Which civil liberties are being curtailed? Non-citizens that aren't entitled to the same constitutional protections as citizens, even if we should handle the situation better?

          What floors me is the stuff that Obama got away with that was far more dictator-ish than what Trump has done, but because most of the mainstream media are democrats and Obama was their guy they rarely called it out / let it slide.
          Obama going after journalists' sources was definitely out of bounds, IMO. But I don't think we should trust Trump on that front either the way he talks about "leakers" and the press in general.
          Last edited by BlueK; 06-28-2018, 02:25 PM.

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          • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
            Trump has been far more hostile to the press. Can't believe that is even a point of debate.
            FAKE NEWS-- first of all f*k that term that he coined. He called Fox News "not fake news" because they only report on how rich he is and how large his hands are, apparently. And Trump proclaiming that we should turn away asylum seekers at the border with no judges, no court? Clear unilateral violation of U.S. and international law. All the chants to "lock her up" and continuing to have pep rallies for no discernible reason like Fidel Castro? OH pointing back at the media and proclaiming them to be, to raucous applause from his followers, to be "the real enemy of the people?" Are you serious with this shit? Exercising his pardon power to get his political allies off the hook WAYYYYY outside the regular protocol - as in BEFORE THEY ARE EVEN SENTENCED? And decimating our relationships with our strongest allies, trading partners and neighbors while keeping his tongue firmly planted up Putin's rectum? Oh how about the f*king MILITARY PARADE they are ramping up to have in his honor? Trump can eat 12 dicks. Not sorry.
            Last edited by Commando; 06-28-2018, 02:22 PM.
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            • Originally posted by Commando View Post
              FAKE NEWS-- first of all f*k that term that he coined. He called Fox News "not fake news" because they only report on how rich he is and how large his hands are, apparently. And Trump proclaiming that we should turn away asylum seekers at the border with no judges, no court? Clear unilateral violation of U.S. and international law. All the chants to "lock her up" and continuing to have pep rallies for no discernible reason like Fidel Castro? OH pointing back at the media and proclaiming them to be, to raucous applause from his followers, to be "the real enemy of the people?" Are you serious with this shit? Exercising his pardon power to get his political allies off the hook WAYYYYY outside the regular protocol - as in BEFORE THEY ARE EVEN SENTENCED? And decimating our relationships with our strongest allies, trading partners and neighbors while keeping his tongue firmly planted up Putin's rectum? Oh how about the f*king MILITARY PARADE they are ramping up to have in his honor? Trump can eat 12 dicks. Not sorry.
              One of the most "dictator" things Trump did was suggest that in the good old days, we dragged out protestors at political rallies and beat them up. Uh... yeah. The good old days of the Brown Shirts of the National Socialist Party.
              "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
              "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
              "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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              • Originally posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
                Trump has been far more hostile to the press. Can't believe that is even a point of debate.
                C’mon. When Trump repeatedly calls the press the ‘enemy of the people’ that’s just Trump saying dumb stuff and not understanding the constitution. I can’t believe anyone can’t remember how much worse Obama was. Or how bad Killary would have been.
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                • Originally posted by Northwestcoug View Post
                  C’mon. When Trump repeatedly calls the press the ‘enemy of the people’ that’s just Trump saying dumb stuff and not understanding the constitution. I can’t believe anyone can’t remember how much worse Obama was. Or how bad Killary would have been.
                  yeah, why would we want a president who understands the Constitution.

                  In all seriousness, I do think it's a little troubling that having a president who just gets things done comes higher in the priority list for so many voters than one who knows and respects the Constitution.
                  Last edited by BlueK; 06-28-2018, 02:44 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by BlueK View Post
                    yeah, why would we want a president who understands the Constitution.

                    In all seriousness, I do think it's a little troubling that having a president who just gets things done comes higher in the priority list for so many voters than one who knows and respects the Constitution.
                    Why? Our constitution sucks... ask Justice Ginsburg.
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                    • Originally posted by Crockett View Post
                      This is called projection. Or TDS. Or both.

                      Trump says dumb stuff sometimes and isn't an expert in the Constitution, but he's not some budding dictator. That is such as crock of $#!&. Trump favors more freedom, is reducing the size of govt and taxes, and eliminating lots of regulations. That's not what a dictator does. Dictators would want more. He's enforcing existing law, but that's somehow a dictatorship! Dictators like gun control, but not Trump. Obama muses on how it's easier to govern China and weaponizes the IRS, the DOJ, FBI, and more but Trump is the dictator!

                      Also, isn't this a good time to reflect on the fact that the federal govt has too much power?
                      Is there any doubt in your mind that if Trump wins another term he will seek to eliminate presidential term limits? If he were able, is there any point at which Trump would cease to elevate the authority of the Executive branch over the judicial and legislative branches? If he were able, at what point would Trump stop trying to control the press? If he were able, are there any measures he wouldn't take to silence political opponents? If Trump could rig elections with impunity, is there any doubt in your mind that he would do so? Trump may never become a dictator, but he is definitely angling to establish an authoritarian government, and the thing that makes Trump so dangerous is that he is not handicapped by scruples or ideology as he seeks to establish that government. Left to his own devices, are there any lines that Trump would not be willing to cross?
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                      • Originally posted by Non Sequitur View Post
                        Is there any doubt in your mind that if Trump wins another term he will seek to eliminate presidential term limits?
                        Yes.

                        Well, no, there is no doubt. He won't.
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                        • Originally posted by All-American View Post
                          Yes.

                          Well, no, there is no doubt. He won't.
                          Yeah, just as likely to try to monetize the presidency and then bail.
                          "There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
                          "It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
                          "Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster

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                          • Leave the WTO because global trade sucks! America only!

                            https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/29/polit...ion/index.html

                            "The President's economic advisers have pushed back when Trump raises the idea of withdrawing from the organization that regulates international trade, Axios reported, citing sources with direct knowledge."

                            "Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin pushed back against the report during an interview Friday morning with Fox Business Network's Maria Bartiromo, calling it "fake news." --

                            Really Steve? What are you going to call it when Trump says it in public today or sometime next week. We know he wants to leave every other trade agreement we have, why not walk away from the WTO? Do you really think this is a fake report or is this your way of expressing extreme frustration at how clueless your boss is? I'll bet on the latter.
                            Last edited by BlueK; 06-29-2018, 07:05 AM.

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                            • Originally posted by BlueK View Post
                              Leave the WTO!
                              About time.



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                              • Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
                                About time.



                                Mic drop.
                                :rockon2:
                                "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
                                "I honestly believe saying someone is a smart lawyer is damning with faint praise. The smartest people become engineers and scientists." -SU.
                                "Yet I still see wisdom in that which Uncle Ted posts." -creek.
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