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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    He's going to veto everything that doesn't have Stephen Miller's little spank bank white nationalist wish list aka the RAISE Act. He's not interested in bipartisan anything. It's not going to bode well after November.
    Well, the dems should put a bill in front of him rather than being obstructionist (given BK's assertion that he won't sign anything). If he vetos it then that will make for good ammunition for the dems come campaign time. Right now it seems the dumb dems could be falling right into Drumpf's trap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    That's not illegal. Many migrants have permission to travel freely in Mexico. Residency is another issue. Mexico is not part of or subservient to our government, contrary to the opinion of orange face.
    They wouldn't be residing in Mexico... they would be traveling up to the border to have their day in front of the judge. They could stop off at the first US consulate along the way to get the asylum process rolling, and then take their time traveling up to the border. Maybe take in a few sites on the way. They could maybe stop off stop off at the beach in Playa del Carmen or do a day trip out to Chichén Itzá. By the time they make it to the border they then don't have to spend so much time at the "Drumpf Tower" in Dilley Texas watching the new paint dry or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Well, the dems should put a bill in front of him rather than being obstructionist (given BK's assertion that he won't sign anything). If he vetos it then that will make for good ammunition for the dems come campaign time. Right now it seems the dumb dems could be falling right into Drumpf's trap.
    How do Democrats put a bill in front of T? It would need to get out of committee, and if it did that, it would then need to pass the House and the Senate for T to be able to veto it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    How do Democrats put a bill in front of T? It would need to get out of committee, and if it did that, it would then need to pass the House and the Senate for T to be able to veto it.
    They should try working with the GOP'ers on a compromise bill rather than playing politics... it seems the dems have been wondering around in the wilderness for the last decade when it comes to immigration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Max, you may not know this fact but about 40% of the folks in the great Republic of Texas are hispanic or latino... we are more interested in keeping the Californians out.
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    Is a high-ranking House Democrat about to lose his primary?

    Yes, it does look like Crowley is going to lose to the "Bernie Sanders" candidate...

    Ocasio-Cortez is a Latina Bronx native and community organizer who is more or less running on a viral campaign ad produced by a pair of Detroit-based Democratic Socialist for America (DSA) activists. She has raised just $200,000, mainly in small donations. She’s running on a boldly progressive platform, including Medicare-for-all, a federal jobs guarantee, and abolishing Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

    “This race is about people versus money. We’ve got people. They’ve got money,” Ocasio-Cortez says in the ad.

    If this were any other year, it’s likely this race wouldn’t get any attention at all. A candidate with no money — even one with a compelling personal story — against one of the most powerful House Democrats wouldn’t even be a contest. After all, Crowley is a 10-term incumbent who is the fourth most powerful Democrat in House leadership.

    But this primary has become a proxy for the debate over establishment Democrats versus democratic socialism that has reared its head in the party since Sen. Bernie Sanders’s blockbuster 2016 candidacy. It’s clear that Ocasio-Cortez’s supporters are hoping to use the fact that Crowley has so much money and power against him. And if she’s successful, it would be a huge upset — one not seen since Eric Cantor lost his primary to David Brat in Virginia in 2014.
    It seems the dem party is becoming divided.
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    What a hallmark of a wonderful leader. Threatening companies.

    Trump threatens Harley-Davidson with taxes ‘like never before’ and predicts its eventual collapse

    President Trump on Tuesday threatened the iconic motorcycle company Harley-Davidson with severe taxes and predicted a public revolt that he said would eventually put the 115-year-old firm out of business, blasting the Wisconsin company for a plan to move some operations outside the United States as a way to avoid getting caught in the middle of an escalating trade war.

    Trump also accused Harley-Davidson, without providing any evidence, of intentionally misleading Americans by saying the firm was moving some operations out of the United States in response to new tariffs imposed by the European Union.

    The intensity of these attacks, which he typically reserves for political opponents, came in Twitter posts.

    He alleged that Harley-Davison’s Monday announcement that it would move some more operations outside the United States was long planned and that it was using Europe’s new tariffs as an excuse. He threatened to hit the company with an unspecified tax if it attempted to sell motorcycles in the United States that were made outside the country.

    Harley-Davidson had long planned to open a new plant in Thailand, a decision that predated the trade war between Trump and the leaders of a number of other countries. But the firm said Monday that it was shifting more production overseas specifically to blunt the impact of the tariffs imposed by Europe.

    These E.U. tariffs on specific U.S. products were imposed in retaliation against Trump’s tariffs on steel and aluminum imports from the E.U.

    Tuesday marked Trump’s second straight day of leveling attacks at Harley-Davidson. The company’s announcement sparked a massive sell-off in the stock market amid fears that other companies might follow suit, worried about getting caught in the middle of Trump’s trade war with Europe, Canada, Mexico, China, Japan and possibly India.

    In his Tuesday morning Twitter posts, Trump wrote that “Harley must know that they won’t be able to sell back into the U.S. without paying a big tax!”

    It was unclear what he meant. He has threatened such a tax since the 2016 campaign, but he hasn’t imposed one, and Congress has blocked his efforts to craft such a tax. He could be referring to the tariffs he is attempting to unilaterally impose on imports.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Well, the dems should put a bill in front of him rather than being obstructionist (given BK's assertion that he won't sign anything). If he vetos it then that will make for good ammunition for the dems come campaign time. Right now it seems the dumb dems could be falling right into Drumpf's trap.
    The Dems can't put a bill in front of him because they are the minority and house leadership won't allow something to even come to the floor for a vote unless they think most house Republicans support it. It's called the Hastert rule. That's how entrenched the gridlock is. I can't believe you don't know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    The Dems can't put a bill in front of him because they are the minority and house leadership won't allow something to even come to the floor for a vote unless they think most house Republicans support it. It's called the Hastert rule. That's how entrenched the gridlock is. I can't believe you don't know that.
    This is why the dems need to give into a compromise... of course, as the minority party they are expected to give more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    They should try working with the GOP'ers on a compromise bill rather than playing politics... it seems the dems have been wondering around in the wilderness for the last decade when it comes to immigration.
    There are some current bills just like that right now that can't be voted on because the Republican house leadership refuses to allow them to come to the floor for a vote. There is this thing called a discharge petition that would force a floor vote if they can get a majority of house members to sign on. They are about five votes short of that. If speaker Ryan had any courage at all he would allow the various proposed bills to be voted on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    What a hallmark of a wonderful leader. Threatening companies.

    Trump threatens Harley-Davidson with taxes ‘like never before’ and predicts its eventual collapse



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.6e96858af01c
    Given how Harley-Davidson's stock has been doing lately he might be right about the eventual collapse... a lost of $600+ million in market cap in the last few days. Ouch!

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    According the Harley-Davidson union they have been planing this move for some time:

    The war of words between President Trump and Harley-Davidson over its decision to shift some production to Europe conceals a simple truth: The famed American company has been expanding overseas for years.
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    The president is known to make a lot accusations, but he might have a point. The union representing Harley’s American workers contends Harley-Davidson was just itching to make the switch.

    “I think they had this planned for some time. I think they are using this as an excuse,” Joe Capra of the International Association of Machinists & Aerospace Workers told NPR. Capra is a union representative at a plant in Kansas City that will be closed next year at the cost of 800 jobs.
    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ha...ffs-2018-06-26
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Given how Harley-Davidson's stock has been doing lately he might be right about the eventual collapse... a lost of $600+ million in market cap in the last few days. Ouch!

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    According the Harley-Davidson union they have been planing this move for some time:


    https://www.marketwatch.com/story/ha...ffs-2018-06-26
    Almost every stock's chart looks like that over the last five days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    This is why the dems need to give into a compromise... of course, as the minority party they are expected to give more.
    Nope. Not with this administration. A compromise is to basically concede to the extremist bullshit. That's why Republicans are scrambling to pass a bill before midterms- they know DACA is an inevitability and they want to get some concessions they'll never have a chance to get again. I say we're ok to wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    This is why the dems need to give into a compromise... of course, as the minority party they are expected to give more.
    I’m sure you said this during the ACA debates. You literally sound like a Fox News talking head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    I’m sure you said this during the ACA debates. You literally sound like a Fox News talking head.
    It's all stupidly irrelevant anyway. Several democrats were in the room with Trump when he said he'd sign whatever they and the Republicans in there came up with. Then they did come up with a compromise. But not surprisingly Trump went back on his word. There is zero evidence Trump would sign anything. At least his actions consistently say he doesn't want any compromise. When they were working on the two republican bills last week he slammed both of them at one point, even the extreme one. The only logical explanation is that he thinks he gets more out of it politically by leaving it unresolved.
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    Trump “Charity” Exposed As Elaborate Scheme To Make Golf Debts Go Away
    New York prosecutors have accused the president and his kids of “persistently illegal conduct” related to the Donald J. Trump Foundation.



    According to the suit filed by Underwood, who took over the A.G.’s office after her predecessor, Eric Schneiderman, resigned over abuse allegations, the Trump Foundation “was little more than a checkbook for payments to not-for-profits from Mr. Trump or the Trump Organization.” Here’s a taste of the allegations regarding how the family charity misappropriated its funds:

    $5,000 was used to advertise Trump Hotels;

    $10,000 was spent on a portrait of the president, later found on display at the the sports bar at Trump’s Doral golf resort;

    $100,000 was allegedly used to settle a legal dispute with the city of Palm Beach, which Trump resolved by contributing the amount to the Fisher House Foundation;

    $258,000 was allegedly used to settle lawsuits against Trump and his businesses, including $158,000 paid to a man named Martin Greenberg, who sued the Trump National Golf Club after it failed to pay him a promised $1 million for scoring a hole-in-one at a charity golf tournament
    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...dation-lawsuit
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Trump “Charity” Exposed As Elaborate Scheme To Make Golf Debts Go Away
    New York prosecutors have accused the president and his kids of “persistently illegal conduct” related to the Donald J. Trump Foundation.





    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...dation-lawsuit
    Trump is shady and breaking laws governing charities? Wow, who knew. The funny thing is even his most ardent supporters know he's always been shady. They just don't care.

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    The Drumpf administration is saying that immigrants are kidnapping kids so they can get processed and released faster...

    Illegal immigrants kidnapping children to sneak into U.S. as 'family units,' feds say

    Illegal immigrants are kidnapping children and bringing them across the border, hoping to appear to be families so they can take advantage of lax enforcement policies, the Obama administration told a federal appeals court this week.


    Leon Fresco, a deputy assistant attorney general who handles immigration cases, made the stunning claim as he defended the administration’s policy of detaining illegal immigrant parents and children caught traveling together as they jump the border. After a federal judge last year ordered the families quickly released, Mr. Fresco said it’s served as an enticement for kidnapping.

    “When people now know that when I come as a family unit, I won’t be apprehended and detained — we now have people being abducted so that they can be deemed as family units, so that they can avoid detention,” Mr. Fresco told the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
    [...]
    https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...n-to-sneak-in/

    Oh wait, it was the Obama administration that was saying that... never mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Trump “Charity” Exposed As Elaborate Scheme To Make Golf Debts Go Away
    New York prosecutors have accused the president and his kids of “persistently illegal conduct” related to the Donald J. Trump Foundation.





    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018...dation-lawsuit
    This has to be one of the least surprising revelations ever revealed. I have no doubt that this is accurate at some level and maybe completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    This has to be one of the least surprising revelations ever revealed. I have no doubt that this is accurate at some level and maybe completely.
    but no one cares. We know who we elected. It's baked into the cake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    but no one cares. We know who we elected. It's baked into the cake.
    I don't think it means that none of his supporters care. I think the fact that Trump's detractors are so convinced that this is what it means shows why they fail to grasp the conditions that led to his election. I think it means that Many of his supports/voters were so sick and tired of the status quo, including the corruption they believed was systemic and rampant, that they were willing to try almost ANYTHING else to see if it could make a difference. Most of the people that I have talked to that voted for Trump see him for what he is, but they also see him as just a showy version of what the others already are. Trump creates a charity to cover golf debts. Clinton creates a foundation and sells influence. Is Trump really worse? Or does he just look worse? Its like the movie Caddyshack. The Judge was all about appearance and decorum but was corrupt and rotten to the core. Dangerfield was loud and abrasive and obnoxious but at least he was different and predictable in his loutishness. Did somebody step on a duck?
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    I don't think it means that none of his supporters care. I think the fact that Trump's detractors are so convinced that this is what it means shows why they fail to grasp the conditions that led to his election. I think it means that Many of his supports/voters were so sick and tired of the status quo, including the corruption they believed was systemic and rampant, that they were willing to try almost ANYTHING else to see if it could make a difference. Most of the people that I have talked to that voted for Trump see him for what he is, but they also see him as just a showy version of what the others already are. Trump creates a charity to cover golf debts. Clinton creates a foundation and sells influence. Is Trump really worse? Or does he just look worse? Its like the movie Caddyshack. The Judge was all about appearance and decorum but was corrupt and rotten to the core. Dangerfield was loud and abrasive and obnoxious but at least he was different and predictable in his loutishness. Did somebody step on a duck?
    There were rumors about Clinton's foundation and there could have been some shadiness going on there with it. But what has come out about Trump's recently seems much more likely to be blatantly illegal. And Michael Cohen was definitely trying to sell influence. Several companies have taken a PR hit over it. All the stuff Trump made campaign issues about Clinton are things he has done himself, including his people in the white house using personal email for government business. It would be a little less brazen if Trump hadn't made the Clinton stuff such a feature of his campaign along with his own shady characters like Michael Flynn leading the crowd in "lock her up" chants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    There were rumors about Clinton's foundation and there could have been some shadiness going on there with it. But what has come out about Trump's recently seems much more likely to be blatantly illegal. And Michael Cohen was definitely trying to sell influence. All the stuff Trump made campaign issues about Clinton are things he has done himself, including his people in the white house using personal email for government business.
    Yes. As I conceded. And there was a lot more than just a rumor about some shadiness going with the Clinton Foundation. It's pretty bad, IMO, by almost any measure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Yes. As I conceded. And there was a lot more than just a rumor about some shadiness going with the Clinton Foundation. It's pretty bad, IMO, by almost any measure.
    When the Clinton's tell us they left office $16M in debt, and now have a net worth around $55M - in spite of holding no position outside of government that I'm aware of, I think you could call their finances shady.

    I think Creekster is right. It's not that Trump's supporters don't care about him being corrupt. They just figure so is everyone else, and he's no different. So what's the big deal?

    The Dems point out prominent Reps who are cheating on taxes, or their wife, or their campaign financing, or their charitable organizations, or a variety of lobbyists and special interests. Then the Reps do the same, pointing out prominent Dem cheats. And the mainstream voters just figure they're all corrupt. Now they're pointing fingers at Trump - but they're all just hypocrites doing the same and worse themselves.

    I think one of the differences is that Trump has done a good job selling the narrative that unlike other politicians, he didn't get rich from public office. He got rich from business. And these other corrupt politicians got rich from being corrupt in office. Of course, he conveniently leaves out that he's one of the guys who made those corrupt politicians wealthy through his own corruption to help enrich himself via his business ventures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by creekster View Post
    Yes. As I conceded. And there was a lot more than just a rumor about some shadiness going with the Clinton Foundation. It's pretty bad, IMO, by almost any measure.
    I don’t even pretend to fully understand the argument against the Clinton Foundation. But according to the librul media, it’s a hyped up scandal:

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...on-foundation/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    When the Clinton's tell us they left office $16M in debt, and now have a net worth around $55M - in spite of holding no position outside of government that I'm aware of, I think you could call their finances shady.

    I think Creekster is right. It's not that Trump's supporters don't care about him being corrupt. They just figure so is everyone else, and he's no different. So what's the big deal?

    The Dems point out prominent Reps who are cheating on taxes, or their wife, or their campaign financing, or their charitable organizations, or a variety of lobbyists and special interests. Then the Reps do the same, pointing out prominent Dem cheats. And the mainstream voters just figure they're all corrupt. Now they're pointing fingers at Trump - but they're all just hypocrites doing the same and worse themselves.

    I think one of the differences is that Trump has done a good job selling the narrative that unlike other politicians, he didn't get rich from public office. He got rich from business. And these other corrupt politicians got rich from being corrupt in office. Of course, he conveniently leaves out that he's one of the guys who made those corrupt politicians wealthy through his own corruption to help enrich himself via his business ventures.
    Yeah, the economy is doing very well and we have full employment so who cares... The only thing that derail this train is something like a trade war. (Oh sh*t!)
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    lol yeah it's the democrats who make a great comparison to nazis, not Trump's authoritarian renaissance...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    lol yeah it's the democrats who make a great comparison to nazis, not Trump's authoritarian renaissance...
    We live in some really really weird times.

    In some ways it feels like the Dems have some influential power. It isn't Dems getting shouted down or kicked out of restaurants and being refused service. At least not that I'm aware of. And not in a semi-organized way in which political leaders are encouraging it to happen. I mean, I get that they don't have the numbers to pass laws on their own or set agendas or policy. But they have a lot of clout due to a strong voice in the media and a connection with a large portion of the population that is willing to take some form of action.

    Yet clearly Trump/Reps are wielding a great deal of power as well. They just don't have quite the numbers as far as people willing to show up for a protest or counter protest. They can set the agenda and dictate policy, but are somewhat held hostage by the sentiment of the populous who is willing to show up and make noise.

    It's going to be an interesting ride. I hope somewhere along this roller coaster someone shows up with a semblance of common sense and reason. Because I'm not seeing it out of either political party at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    We live in some really really weird times.

    In some ways it feels like the Dems have some influential power. It isn't Dems getting shouted down or kicked out of restaurants and being refused service. At least not that I'm aware of. And not in a semi-organized way in which political leaders are encouraging it to happen. I mean, I get that they don't have the numbers to pass laws on their own or set agendas or policy. But they have a lot of clout due to a strong voice in the media and a connection with a large portion of the population that is willing to take some form of action.

    Yet clearly Trump/Reps are wielding a great deal of power as well. They just don't have quite the numbers as far as people willing to show up for a protest or counter protest. They can set the agenda and dictate policy, but are somewhat held hostage by the sentiment of the populous who is willing to show up and make noise.

    It's going to be an interesting ride. I hope somewhere along this roller coaster someone shows up with a semblance of common sense and reason. Because I'm not seeing it out of either political party at this point.
    In a way it is because our constitution over represents the rural areas and smaller states which tend to be more conservative and Republican.

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