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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    The fact is more than "a few dems" voted for that immigration bill. I am sorry if you can't understand the link I posted. In short, dems are clearly hypocrites when it comes to immigration... what they say and do are clearly two different things.



    War on drugs doesn't work but that is not the topic here. The right immigration policy is good for the labor market and the economy. Also, young working immigrates that contribute are good for PAC's social security. One of the links I included above talks about all of that but how the dems have totally lost their way when it comes to immigration. It seems that all they do now is just bitch about it and don't actually even try to fix anything.

    If you have read anything besides the blinded liberal rags then you know that he has proposed a merit-based system to immigration. (So tell your argument why the current lottery system is so much better.) So how is that keeping basically almost everyone out as you claim Drumpf is thinking? It seems to me he wants immigrates to supply the labor shortage? So where did you get the idea that he wants to keep almost everyone out?

    Trump sat with people from both sides in front of the cameras and told them he would sign whatever they came up with. They came up with something a couple of weeks later with the dems and republicans compromising. But after consulting with Herr Miller, Trump told them to go to hell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    The fact is more than "a few dems" voted for that immigration bill. I am sorry if you can't understand the link I posted. In short, dems are clearly hypocrites when it comes to immigration... what they say and do are clearly two different things.



    War on drugs doesn't work but that is not the topic here. The right immigration policy is good for the labor market and the economy. Also, young working immigrates that contribute are good for PAC's social security. One of the links I included above talks about all of that but how the dems have totally lost their way when it comes to immigration. It seems that all they do now is just bitch about it and don't actually even try to fix anything.

    If you have read anything besides the blinded liberal rags then you know that he has proposed a merit-based system to immigration. (So tell your argument why the current lottery system is so much better.) So how is that keeping basically almost everyone out as you claim Drumpf is thinking? It seems to me he wants immigrates to supply the labor shortage? So where did you get the idea that he wants to keep almost everyone out?

    The so called merit based system he's proposing would slash current levels of legal immigration by half, right? But if you're arguing for that you're making a socialist, government central planning type of argument: the government knows what we need, not the free market. Let the government decide how many engineers or IT people or whatever else we need rather than allowing companies to hire as many as they think they need and take away government regulation and red tape that make it harder for them to get the talent they need to compete. This is the opposite of a libertarian argument. Also, the president's idea gives no merit to a worker who would take the lower level jobs even though the economy needs those too. Let's be protectionist about the lower level work and save it for native born Americans, while we'll let educated foreigners from countries we like take the higher paying jobs. The economic arguments fall apart pretty quickly. We all know it's a smokescreen for the cultural reasons for setting up that kind of an immigration system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Amen to that but I think we will need a different party before that will happen.

    Ben Shaprio sums it up pretty well...

    The Utter Hypocrisy And Stupidity Of The Illegal Immigrant Parent-Child Separation Debate
    Ha that's funny. I just got done destroying this stupid article by Ben Shapiro on fb. I can cut and paste if you like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    Dems offered the wall for DACA and trump didnt take it.
    John Kelly wanted more RAISE Act concessions that had no chance of making it to law without being stapled to the back of DACA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    Ha that's funny. I just got done destroying this stupid article by Ben Shapiro on fb. I can cut and paste if you like.
    Please do, I am interested. TIA

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    Short and sweet since I can't find the original post:

    1. Shapiro identifies A legal means of separating families- screening for trafficking-- but not the one used by Trump. As I've repeated ad nauseam, Trump/Sessions/Miller's 'zero tolerance' of misdemeanor entry w/out inspection remands the adults to federal marshals and the kids to the Office of Refugee Settlement. By virtue of the adults being charged w a federal crime. Not because of child trafficking screening.

    2. Shapiro identifies ONE class of asylum seekers- those presenting themselves at the border. He ignores the vast majority, who are apprehended crossing in the desert and screened for asylum. Crossing without inspection in no wise disqualifies a person for asylum. Shapiro is apparently not aware of this.

    3. Nobody is saying the conditions are just now awful. Everybody knows we treat immigrants like shit.

    *** HAHAHA I just read Ted's link and it looks like Ben severely changed/pared down the article from the version I read this morning b/c he knows he's full of shit. Good for you, Ben! I think my rebuttal still is mostly relevant. I agree with his fourth point, though.

    Worth noting AGAIN that the executive order is meaningless. The problem resulted from his dumb discretionary policy to charge every single person with a misdemeanor, purposely using it as a "deterrent." Sessions also messed up, because if it wasn't for his blatant attempts to erase asylum at the Board of Immigration Appeals by referring cases to himself, we may never have put 2 and 2 together on why asylum seekers were being separated from their kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    Short and sweet since I can't find the original post:

    1. Shapiro identifies A legal means of separating families- screening for trafficking-- but not the one used by Trump. As I've repeated ad nauseam, Trump/Sessions/Miller's 'zero tolerance' of misdemeanor entry w/out inspection remands the adults to federal marshals and the kids to the Office of Refugee Settlement. By virtue of the adults being charged w a federal crime. Not because of child trafficking screening.

    2. Shapiro identifies ONE class of asylum seekers- those presenting themselves at the border. He ignores the vast majority, who are apprehended crossing in the desert and screened for asylum. Crossing without inspection in no wise disqualifies a person for asylum. Shapiro is apparently not aware of this.

    3. Nobody is saying the conditions are just now awful. Everybody knows we treat immigrants like shit.

    *** HAHAHA I just read Ted's link and it looks like Ben severely changed/pared down the article from the version I read this morning b/c he knows he's full of shit. Good for you, Ben! I think my rebuttal still is mostly relevant. I agree with his fourth point, though.

    Worth noting AGAIN that the executive order is meaningless. The problem resulted from his dumb discretionary policy to charge every single person with a misdemeanor, purposely using it as a "deterrent." Sessions also messed up, because if it wasn't for his blatant attempts to erase asylum at the Board of Immigration Appeals by referring cases to himself, we may never have put 2 and 2 together on why asylum seekers were being separated from their kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    It articulates and sets forth exactly what your 'views' are. I just thought it was funny.
    Damn you. You got me to read a dumb legal document. For the record - I agree with a lot of it. Not necessarily all of it.

    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    I get why those who despise Trump (and they are legion) are crowing about his quick about-face on the kids separation issue. But wouldn't it be tactically smarter to give the President credit (painful though it would be) for making that decision? If one really wants to get something done with our intellectually challenged and narcissistic president, the best way to do it would be to praise him on those infrequent occasions when he does things like this, thus encouraging more such behavior on his part. But by pointing out his hypocrisy or inconsistency, or mocking him for actually having done something good, his foes merely encourage him to dig in his heels for future battles. I'd love to see greater intelligence on both sides.
    I've thought this for a long time. Trump is so predictable in his unpredictability that it seems like it would be somewhat easy to manipulate him - at least a little. Seems like we often hear that the reason he changed his mind about one thing or another is because one of his "advisors" got his ear. I would think that some very vocal and public stroking of his ego would go a LONG way. Of course, I think he gets off on "being his own man" and pissing people off from time to time, so you probably still need to criticize him for the other stuff you don't like so he can be happy about making people angry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    Damn you. You got me to read a dumb legal document. For the record - I agree with a lot of it. Not necessarily all of it.
    Well I know it doesn't mention DUIs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    The so called merit based system he's proposing would slash current levels of legal immigration by half, right? But if you're arguing for that you're making a socialist, government central planning type of argument: the government knows what we need, not the free market. Let the government decide how many engineers or IT people or whatever else we need rather than allowing companies to hire as many as they think they need and take away government regulation and red tape that make it harder for them to get the talent they need to compete. This is the opposite of a libertarian argument. Also, the president's idea gives no merit to a worker who would take the lower level jobs even though the economy needs those too. Let's be protectionist about the lower level work and save it for native born Americans, while we'll let educated foreigners from countries we like take the higher paying jobs. The economic arguments fall apart pretty quickly. We all know it's a smokescreen for the cultural reasons for setting up that kind of an immigration system.

    I don't know if it will decrease or increase the level of immigration. Post a link if you have one.

    The libertarian argument you are making (let the market control immigration) doesn't work unless you get rid all the social benefits of being a citizen (i.e., social security, welfare, etc.). If you can get rid of all of that then yeah. As Ron Paul put it:

    How to tackle the real immigration problem? Eliminate incentives for those who would come here to live off the rest of us, and make it easier and more rational for those who wish to come here legally to contribute to our economy. No walls, no government databases, no biometric national ID cards. But not a penny in welfare for immigrants. It’s really that simple.
    http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arch...ation-problem/

    Canada has a merit based immigration policy as I understand. Of course, if you have a pre-existing health condition you will never become a Canadian citizen from what I understand. They don't want sick people dragging down their single payer system apparently. So if you can convince everyone to throw immigrants "onto the streets" and not on the rolls of our social programs then what you are saying would work. Call your congressman! If someone proposed that immigration policy then I would be inclined to vote for them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    Well I know it doesn't mention DUIs.
    Seems to fit here OK:

    (ii) any other criminal activity which endangers public safety or national security, or
    Back to that public safety thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    Seems to fit here OK:



    Back to that public safety thing.
    Trust me- it's not a violation of 237(2). It's not even considered to be a Crime Involving Moral Turpitude, of which the government needs 2 convictions to sustain deportability charges against a lawful permanent resident.
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    Frank, BK, Max... Tell me this isn't true!

    OBAMA HHS PLACED MIGRANT CHILDREN INTO CUSTODY OF HUMAN TRAFFICKERS

    The Obama administration handed off an unknown number of migrant minors into the custody of human traffickers under the assumption that these so-called “caregivers” were related to the children
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    In the wake of the current debate over how to handle illegal aliens who claim asylum while crossing the border with children in tow, supporters of tighter border controls point to issues related to not knowing whether the children are indeed sons and daughters of the border crossers. Previous reports say the federal government already had a poor record of placing these children in dangerous environments during the Obama administration.

    The Associated Press reported two years ago that in April 2014 the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services relaxed its safety standards to promptly move migrant children out of government shelters and into sponsors’ homes when waves of illegal aliens surged across the southern border.
    However, according to the AP’s reporting, the lowered standards resulted in children landing in unsafe homes where they were “sexually assaulted, starved or forced to work for little or no pay.”


    The AP found almost 30 children who were placed with “caregivers” who exposed them to sexual abuse, labor trafficking, abuse or neglect.
    [...]
    http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/17/fl...n-traffickers/

    Snopes will set the record straight... right?

    Did the Obama Administration Place Immigrant Children With Human Traffickers?

    A congressional report and criminal indictment resulted from a 2014 incident in which multiple immigrant children were handed off to a human trafficking ring.

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    The issue of HHS’s lack of accountability for unaccompanied immigrant children came to a head in May 2018 when HHS acting assistant secretary of Administration for Children and Families Steven Wagner told a Senate oversight committee that the agency could not account for 1,475 children it had placed with sponsors from October to December 2017. The furor over that story accompanied outrage over the Trump administration’s “zero tolerance” policy, with critics raising concerns that the federal government was unnecessarily overwhelming an already-overburdened system with traumatized children.


    To make matters worse, an investigation published 19 June 2018 by McClatchy revealed that the figure was only a snapshot from a three-month period and the number of children who are unaccounted for by HHS is actually nearly 6,000. The figure is likely exacerbated by an April 2018 agreement that allows background check information, including immigration status, of caregivers like parents and relatives to be shared with immigration authorities.
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/di...n-traffickers/

    So the government may be reuniting these kids with their abusers all thanks to yet another dumbass liberal outrage. Thanks dumbass liberals!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Frank, BK, Max... Tell me this isn't true!


    http://dailycaller.com/2018/06/17/fl...n-traffickers/

    Snopes will set the record straight... right?


    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/di...n-traffickers/

    So the government may be reuniting these kids with their abusers all thanks to yet another dumbass liberal outrage. Thanks dumbass liberals!

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    is this an obama topic now?

    Btw with all your excuses about some of the kids being without parents, i have yet to see you condemn those kids we know that were with parents being separated. for or against?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    is this an obama topic now?

    Btw with all your excuses about some of the kids being without parents, i have yet to see you condemn those kids we know that were with parents being separated. for or against?
    Yeah, I am an Obamaist or Obamaism loyalist now!

    BTW, did you miss this part?

    In July 2015, the U.S. Department of Justice indicted a ring of traffickers lead by Aroldo Castillo-Serrano and accused them of smuggling children into the United States. They were also accused of lying to Health and Human Services’ Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR) by posing as relatives in order to gain custody of children in its care and use them for forced labor in Marion, a city north of Columbus. The federal indictment, filed in U.S. district court in Ohio accuses Castillo-Serrano and his conspirators of forcing the children to live in squalid trailers and work six or seven 12-hour days a week, using threats and physical violence as coercion.
    As long as the government knows for sure that the adult they are with is a parent or relative for sure then they [the kids] should be with that adult. In that case, you can put down as "for" (keeping families together). Maybe the LDS church could talk to ancestry.com and get them to donate a bunch of DNA kits or even use a little bit of all that money they made off building/leasing malls to make a donation toward the effort... you know, since the church is so pro about keeping families together and stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Yeah, I am an Obamaist or Obamaism loyalist now!

    BTW, did you miss this part?



    As long as the government knows for sure that the adult they are with is a parent or relative for sure then they [the kids] should be with that adult. In that case, you can put down as "for" (keeping families together). Maybe the LDS church could talk to ancestry.com and get them to donate a bunch of DNA kits or even use a little bit of all that money they made off building/leasing malls to make a donation toward the effort... you know, since the church is so pro about keeping families together and stuff.
    Amazing you speak sarcastically about being pro keeping families together as it is mock worthy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    Amazing you speak sarcastically about being pro keeping families together as it is mock worthy
    Not sure, I am following you as a result of your awkward syntax. Is it mock worthy to favor keeping families together, or is his sarcasm mocking the belief of favoring family unity? Or are you saying he is effectively mocking any opposition to the policy of keeping families together?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    Amazing you speak sarcastically about being pro keeping families together as it is mock worthy
    I tend to mock with sarcasm those that bitch but do little or nothing about the problem (or even try to understand problem).

    On that subject, it seems Hillary is currently doing more than the LDS church to help this lingering problem: Hillary Clinton Raised A Stunning Amount Of Money For Migrant Kids

    Good for her!... Not to be confused with "I'm with her":

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    I appealed the bond decision and was confident of a win to get him home while his asylum case was pending. After about eight months in detention sitting on ice while the appeal was pending, he decided he'd try his luck in another country-- maybe Canada would take him-- to raise his family. o I got a letter from the court that I'd been dismissed as counsel, he withdrew his asylum application, and he was instantly removed.
    So, did you ever hear back from the guy? Did he try his luck in Canada?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    So, did you ever hear back from the guy? Did he try his luck in Canada?
    No idea. I don't know much about immigrating to Canada, but I immediately knew he would be ineligible to apply for entrance to Canada because of the DUI, though.
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    Welp,George Will has had enough

    George Will Leaves Republican Party, Urges Conservatives to Vote Against Donald Trump


    http://fortune.com/2018/06/22/george...n_editorspicks
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Welp,George Will has had enough

    George Will Leaves Republican Party, Urges Conservatives to Vote Against Donald Trump


    http://fortune.com/2018/06/22/george...n_editorspicks
    About time George saw the light and joined the Libertarian party.


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    Here is Will's column.

    Vote against the GOP this November


    Amid the carnage of Republican misrule in Washington, there is this glimmer of good news: The family-shredding policy along the southern border, the most telegenic recent example of misrule, clarified something. Occurring less than 140 days before elections that can reshape Congress, the policy has given independents and temperate Republicans — these are probably expanding and contracting cohorts, respectively — fresh if redundant evidence for the principle by which they should vote.

    The principle: The congressional Republican caucuses must be substantially reduced. So substantially that their remnants, reduced to minorities, will be stripped of the Constitution’s Article I powers that they have been too invertebrate to use against the current wielder of Article II powers. They will then have leisure time to wonder why they worked so hard to achieve membership in a legislature whose unexercised muscles have atrophied because of people like them.

    Consider the melancholy example of House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (Wis.), who wagered his dignity on the patently false proposition that it is possible to have sustained transactions with today’s president, this Vesuvius of mendacities, without being degraded. In Robert Bolt’s play “A Man for All Seasons,” Thomas More, having angered Henry VIII, is on trial for his life. When Richard Rich, whom More had once mentored, commits perjury against More in exchange for the office of attorney general for Wales, More says: “Why, Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world . . . But for Wales!” Ryan traded his political soul for . . . a tax cut. He who formerly spoke truths about the accelerating crisis of the entitlement system lost everything in the service of a president pledged to preserve the unsustainable status quo.

    Ryan and many other Republicans have become the president’s poodles, not because James Madison’s system has failed but because today’s abject careerists have failed to be worthy of it. As explained in Federalist 51: “Ambition must be made to counteract ambition. The interest of the man must be connected with the constitutional rights of the place.” Congressional Republicans (congressional Democrats are equally supine toward Democratic presidents) have no higher ambition than to placate this president. By leaving dormant the powers inherent in their institution, they vitiate the Constitution’s vital principle: the separation of powers.

    Recently Sen. Bob Corker, the Tennessee Republican who is retiring , became an exception that illuminates the depressing rule. He proposed a measure by which Congress could retrieve a small portion of the policymaking power that it has, over many decades and under both parties, improvidently delegated to presidents. Congress has done this out of sloth and timidity — to duck hard work and risky choices. Corker’s measure would have required Congress to vote to approve any trade restrictions imposed in the name of “national security.” All Senate Republicans worthy of the conservative label that all Senate Republicans flaunt would privately admit that this is conducive to sound governance and true to the Constitution’s structure. But the Senate would not vote on it — would not allow it to become just the second amendment voted on this year .

    This is because the amendment would have peeved the easily peeved president. The Republican-controlled Congress, which waited for Trump to undo by unilateral decree the border folly they could have prevented by actually legislating, is an advertisement for the unimportance of Republican control.

    The Trump whisperer regarding immigration is Stephen Miller, 32, whose ascent to eminence began when he became the Savonarola of Santa Monica High School . Corey Lewandowski, a Trump campaign official who fell from the king’s grace but is crawling back (he works for Vice President Pence’s political action committee), recently responded on Fox News to the story of a 10-year-old girl with Down syndrome taken from her parents at the border. Lewandowski replied: “Wah, wah.” Meaningless noise is this administration’s appropriate libretto because, just as a magnet attracts iron filings, Trump attracts, and is attracted to, louts.

    In today’s GOP, which is the president’s plaything, he is the mainstream. So, to vote against his party’s cowering congressional caucuses is to affirm the nation’s honor while quarantining him. A Democratic-controlled Congress would be a basket of deplorables, but there would be enough Republicans to gum up the Senate’s machinery, keeping the institution as peripheral as it has been under their control and asphyxiating mischief from a Democratic House. And to those who say, “But the judges, the judges!” the answer is: Article III institutions are not more important than those of Articles I and II combined.






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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Here is Will's column.

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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.61e2208c4dc7
    Frank, do you agree with what Will says in this column? Both in conclusion and in reasoning?
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    That was excellent, per usual. He's right of course... Republican-led Congresses have sucked. IMHO the wheels started coming off with Gingrich, but it's been especially bad since 2001. As Congress has shirked more and more of its responsibility and has ceded more and more powers to the executive branch (as Will correctly observes), it should surprise no one that Trump gets as much traction as he has (and does). People are sick of the inaction, the status quo, the bull shit. If we have to cut off our nose to spite our face, then (I guess) so be it. I really don't things change at all with the Dems in charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    About time George saw the light and joined the Libertarian party.


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    libertarians dont support trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    That was excellent, per usual. He's right of course... Republican-led Congresses have sucked. IMHO the wheels started coming off with Gingrich, but it's been especially bad since 2001. As Congress has shirked more and more of its responsibility and has ceded more and more powers to the executive branch (as Will correctly observes), it should surprise no one that Trump gets as much traction as he has (and does). People are sick of the inaction, the status quo, the bull shit. If we have to cut off our nose to spite our face, then (I guess) so be it. I really don't things change at all with the Dems in charge.
    It will simply get worse in a different direction.

    Prediction, when and if the Dems grab control, unless sufficient GOP remain to gum up the works, these groups will benefit: (1) labor unions, (2) large companies, (3) special interest minorities, (4) government bureaucracies, and (5) groups that benefit from unfunded liabilities.

    Groups that will suffer (1) free enterprise, (2) small businesses, (3) healthcare, (4) libertarians, and (5) unfunded governmental obligations payers (taxpayers, especially future ones).

    Not a fair exchange by my calculation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    libertarians dont support trump
    I thought George Will opposed Trump as well, thereby qualifying him to be a Libertarian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    It will simply get worse in a different direction.

    Prediction, when and if the Dems grab control, unless sufficient GOP remain to gum up the works, these groups will benefit: (1) labor unions, (2) large companies, (3) special interest minorities, (4) government bureaucracies, and (5) groups that benefit from unfunded liabilities.

    Groups that will suffer (1) free enterprise, (2) small businesses, (3) healthcare, (4) libertarians, and (5) unfunded governmental obligations payers (taxpayers, especially future ones).

    Not a fair exchange by my calculation.
    trump is hurting free enterprise and small businesses with trade wars. he his hurting more people with healthcare by forcing obamacares collapse which will only lead to more people wanting universal healthcare. he is hurting tax payers and libertarians through his trade war.

    So sounds like it cant get worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    trump is hurting free enterprise and small businesses with trade wars. he his hurting more people with healthcare by forcing obamacares collapse which will only lead to more people wanting universal healthcare. he is hurting tax payers and libertarians through his trade war.

    So sounds like it cant get worse
    There is nothing Dems can do to lessen the fears of small business owning libertarians. We want to go about our way with as little government intrusion as possible. So all big government types, Dem or GOP, are an anathema to our way of living. Trump is undesirable but so is the Democratic Party. No matter how you sell snake oil, it is still snake oil. We don't want extra government programs, we don't want higher taxes or higher prices, we don't want social media outrage, or we don't want identity politics. We want the peace, quiet and opportunity to work in our corners of society and to be left alone. In the end, we'll make our corners of society better places by being good citizens, paying our taxes, obeying the law and asking as little of society as possible. If everybody emulated this model, society would continue to improve without the upheaval statists demand.
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