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You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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Applying the traditional meaning of "scruples," I'd say (unsurprisingly) that Trump has rarely, if ever, had any scruples. Scruples are not the same thing as ethics or morals. Rather, I've always understood them to mean second thoughts or hesitation based on moral or ethical grounds. I doubt Trump has ever had second thoughts about anything from a morals perspective (I'd love to hear a counterpoint to that). Rather, his decisionmaking throughout his life has rested on a single principle: what's best for Donald Trump. Having second thoughts about those types of decisions (which I'm sure he's had) is not the same thing as scruples. I really doubt Trump has ever had any.
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Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostApplying the traditional meaning of "scruples," I'd say (unsurprisingly) that Trump has rarely, if ever, had any scruples. Scruples are not the same thing as ethics or morals. Rather, I've always understood them to mean second thoughts or hesitation based on moral or ethical grounds. I doubt Trump has ever had second thoughts about anything from a morals perspective (I'd love to hear a counterpoint to that). Rather, his decisionmaking throughout his life has rested on a single principle: what's best for Donald Trump. Having second thoughts about those types of decisions (which I'm sure he's had) is not the same thing as scruples. I really doubt Trump has ever had any.You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View PostDang. If I hadn't read this thoughtful critique, I probably would have never considered that most politicians aren't looking out for themselves.
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Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostDo you believe that Trump is typical among politicians and, for that matter, businesspeople with respect to his amorality, self-regard and self-interest?
You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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Originally posted by Walter Sobchak View PostAbso-fucking-lutely.
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Naïve though I must be, life for me is better when it's not mired in cynicism.
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Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostI can't tell when you're joking, but if you're both serious and correct, and if movies about characters like Jordan Belfort and Gordon Gecko are more like documentaries about the business world than fictional accounts of wretched excess among the outliers, then I've led a truly charmed life. While nearly every businessperson acts, as one should, out of self-interest, most of those I've worked with have shown considerable commitment to doing what they believe is best for everyone concerned, including themselves certainly. They also tend to adhere to guiding principles of some type which don't change based upon what will yield the greatest return.
Naïve though I must be, life for me is better when it's not mired in cynicism."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostI can't tell when you're joking, but if you're both serious and correct, and if movies about characters like Jordan Belfort and Gordon Gecko are more like documentaries about the business world than fictional accounts of wretched excess among the outliers, then I've led a truly charmed life. While nearly every businessperson acts, as one should, out of self-interest, most of those I've worked with have shown considerable commitment to doing what they believe is best for everyone concerned, including themselves certainly. They also tend to adhere to guiding principles of some type which don't change based upon what will yield the greatest return.
Naïve though I must be, life for me is better when it's not mired in cynicism.
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Originally posted by PaloAltoCougar View PostI've led a truly charmed life. Naïve though I must be.
Originally posted by Crockett View PostI think Trump does live in wretched excess and probably pushes the limits on what he gets away with in business. He is a serial philanderer. He's not who I want leading the country. I want decent and honorable people to be our leaders. Problem is that our political system disincentivizes decent and honorable people from running for office and makes it difficult to stay that way if you make it in. Look at the horrible personal attacks on Romney's character when he ran. If that's how we treat someone like Romney, then that's how you get the Trumps of the world. It's also a poor reflection of the electorate. We get the candidates that we deserve.You're actually pretty funny when you aren't being a complete a-hole....so basically like 5% of the time. --Art Vandelay
Almost everything you post is snarky, smug, condescending, or just downright mean-spirited. --Jeffrey Lebowski
Anyone can make war, but only the most courageous can make peace. --President Donald J. Trump
You furnish the pictures, and I’ll furnish the war. --William Randolph Hearst
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I don't understand the 'Trump Apologist' and 'Trump Supporter' labels applied to posters here. I didn't go back through the whole thread, but I haven't seen anyone here who likes the guy. There are different levels of disdain, but even handful of people who voted for him have expressed that they wish there had been another option.
He's shown that he is insecure, egocentric, thin skinned, brash, crude, arrogant, amoral, power hungry, divisive, and unwilling to either take advice or compromise. His foreign policy appears to be a disaster, and his approach to trade was proven calamitous in the '30's.
Still, he's done a couple of good things. Not a lot, and not enough for me to wish the party hadn't nominated someone else, but they've been good, nonetheless. First, I like his court picks, though I admittedly don't know much about the new guy whose name escapes me. Best, he freed the Hammonds, who were sentenced to 5 years for letting a fire on private property encroach onto 5 acres of public land covered with sagebrush. The initial court said the minimum 5-year sentence would "shock the conscience", but the Obama administration appealed the sentence and gave them the full 5 years. It was an abhorrent miscarriages of justice.
I mentioned the Hammonds' pardon in another thread, but I want it mentioned here. Even bad men can do good things. If people can't recognize that as a good thing then they may be no more objective than the Trump lovers.sigpic
"Outlined against a blue, gray
October sky the Four Horsemen rode again"
Grantland Rice, 1924
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Originally posted by cowboy View PostI don't understand the 'Trump Apologist' and 'Trump Supporter' labels applied to posters here. I didn't go back through the whole thread, but I haven't seen anyone here who likes the guy. There are different levels of disdain, but even handful of people who voted for him have expressed that they wish there had been another option.
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Trump trashes our NATO allies on camera in front of them. Wow."There is no creature more arrogant than a self-righteous libertarian on the web, am I right? Those folks are just intolerable."
"It's no secret that the great American pastime is no longer baseball. Now it's sanctimony." -- Guy Periwinkle, The Nix.
"Juilliardk N I ibuprofen Hyu I U unhurt u" - creekster
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