President Trump: Making America Great Again...

[Uncle Ted]

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[Moliere]

It's not problematic for Republicans who have long decided they're ok with this President breaking the law.

But willfully ignoring and purposely going against a Supreme Court ruling by the President is grounds for impeachment on its own, IMO. We have no Constitutional separation of powers if he's allowed to do it.

I’m no lawyer, but I don’t think the Supreme Court said he couldn’t do it. I thought they told him to come up with a good reason for it.

[Uncle Ted]

I’m no lawyer, but I don’t think the Supreme Court said he couldn’t do it. I thought they told him to come up with a good reason for it.

So what is his good reason for it? To screw over Texas? Now we may lose a representative instead of gaining three!

[happyone]

So what is his good reason for it? To screw over Texas? Now we may lose a representative instead of gaining three!

Screw over California?

[BlueK]

I’m no lawyer, but I don’t think the Supreme Court said he couldn’t do it. I thought they told him to come up with a good reason for it.

Right. The court said they couldn't do it unless they go back and present a credible reason that wasn't a lie, like trying to say it's to enforce the voting rights act. They haven't gone back to court to do that yet. It was reported that Trump was going to ignore that and have the forms printed with the question added anyway because they were out of time. Today he backed down.

[Uncle Ted]

Screw over California?

California screwed themselves. They are only looking at maybe gaining one seat (with counting the non-citizens). By not counting the non-citizens we would have a possible four seat swing. We would lose a seat without them but gain three seats with them!

LOL@NY...

Right. The court said they couldn't do it unless they go back and present a credible reason that wasn't a lie, like trying to say it's to enforce the voting rights act. They haven't gone back to court to do that yet. It was reported that Trump was going to ignore that and have the forms printed with the question added anyway because they were out of time. Today he backed down.

[BlueK]

California screwed themselves. They are only looking at maybe gaining one seat (with counting the non-citizens). By not counting the non-citizens we would have a possible four seat swing. We would lose a seat without them but gain three seats with them!

LOL@NY...

Shouldn't matter. The Constitution is clear. The census should count all persons and representation is based on the population, not the number of citizens. Citizens actually have more political power doing it this way, not less. Their vote is based on more people living there, some of whom can't vote.

[Bo Diddley]

Shouldn't matter. The Constitution is clear. The census should count all persons and representation is based on the population, not the number of citizens. Citizens actually have more political power doing it this way, not less. Their vote is based on more people living there, some of whom can't vote.

I've run the numbers a few times, and I can't make this statement work.

[Uncle Ted]

Shouldn't matter. The Constitution is clear. The census should count all persons and representation is based on the population, not the number of citizens. Citizens actually have more political power doing it this way, not less. Their vote is based on more people living there, some of whom can't vote.

Yes, ICE should round up the non-citizens in California and bring them to the "concentration camps" here in Texas before the Census is taken.

I need a ruling on what the constitution says... if a non-citizen is working and for less than minimum wage do they only count as a "slave"? That is, only count 3/5ths rather than a whole?

[BlueK]

Yes, ICE should round up the non-citizens in California and bring them to the "concentration camps" here in Texas before the Census is taken.

I need a ruling on what the constitution says... if a non-citizen is working and for less than minimum wage do they only count as a "slave"? That is, only count 3/5ths rather than a whole?

the 14th amendment did away with the 3/5ths rule.

[BlueK]

I've run the numbers a few times, and I can't make this statement work.

The fewer people voting from a population, the more power that group of voters holds among the total population to elect representatives. If half the people where you live are non-citizens who can't vote, you are represented for all those people but your vote affects all of them also. However, if the census is rigged to only count citizens, then their number of reps in Congress is less.

[Bo Diddley]

The fewer people voting from a population, the more power that group of voters holds among the total population to elect representatives. If half the people where you live are non-citizens who can't vote, you are represented for all those people but your vote affects all of them also. However, if the census is rigged to only count citizens, then their number of reps in Congress is less.

All you can do is over represent one group of citizens while simultaneously under representing another group. The net power structure remains unchanged.

[imanihonjin]

The fewer people voting from a population, the more power that group of voters holds among the total population to elect representatives. If half the people where you live are non-citizens who can't vote, you are represented for all those people but your vote affects all of them also. However, if the census is rigged to only count citizens, then their number of reps in Congress is less.

What you are pointing out is the rub, not the benefit. If you are from a state that has less undocumented individuals than another state, why should the state with more undocumented individuals have an increased representation in Congress? So while, as you point out, citizens of states with more undocumented individuals have "more political power" it comes at the expense of those states that have fewer undocumented individuals.

[BlueK]

Keeping his voters happy

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/polit...soh/index.html

[wapiti]

Keeping his voters happy

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/polit...soh/index.html

And Communists vote with the progressives.