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    President Trump may have a hard time getting re-elected without Bannon. This analysis is spot on:

    The Ominous Political Genius of Steve Bannon

    In his fateful interview with Robert Kuttner of The American Prospect, Steve Bannon’s remarks about taking a tougher stand on trade with China, battling his enemies within the administration, and the futility of military action against North Korea generated the most headlines. But it was a widely overlooked comment about identity politics that offers the most important insight into the brilliant and cynical political mind of President Donald Trump’s now-departed counsellor and former campaign CEO.

    ‘The Democrats, the longer they talk about identity politics, I got ‘em,’ Bannon gloated to Kuttner. ‘I want them to talk about racism every day. If the left is focused on race and identity, and we go with economic nationalism, we can crush the Democrats.’

    Rare does a political strategist so explicitly reveal his game plan. Rarer do his opponents utterly fail to recalibrate their tactics in response. From the day Trump announced his candidacy for president with a smear maligning Mexicans as rapists, to the release of a tape in which he joked about groping women, the American left has campaigned against Donald Trump largely on claims pertaining to identity: that Trump is a racist, a misogynist, a xenophobe, an Islamophobic bigot. When Trump hired Bannon to run his presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton and her allies doubled-down on this line of attack, with Clinton going so far as to deliver a speech in which she attacked Bannon by name, a rare feat of notoriety for a campaign CEO. Notwithstanding the merits of these charges against Trump – which I happen to agree with – it was clearly an unsuccessful strategy, as Trump not only won the election, but did so with a higher portion of the black and Latino vote than his Republican predecessor, and with a respectable 42 percent of women.

    This result came as a shock to people living in Democratic Party redoubts, like major metropolitan areas and college towns. And it came as a particular shock to the media, which had predicted with utter certainty that Donald Trump could never be elected president. They could not fathom how a man who so easily vilified minorities, who brought the concept of political incorrectness to such startling depths, could attain the presidency of the United States. But long before anyone took Trump seriously as a hypothetical presidential candidate, Bannon saw in the New York real estate magnate a potential standard-bearer for an increasingly polarising America. Trump became the vessel through which Bannon could implement an insight which has proven rather reliable in America (and elsewhere, too): forced to choose between a chauvinist, xenophobic, majoritarian, nationalist right and a smug, post-nationalist, identity politics-obsessed left, most will choose the former.

    Throughout his short, eight-month tenure at the White House, Bannon – who has been described as a ‘Leninist’ – committed himself to effectuating this dialectic. His influence can be seen in three policy battles he helped instigate, all aimed at forcing Trump’s political adversaries and the media (dubbed ‘the opposition party’ by Bannon) onto political terrain where the right traditionally has a home field advantage: the so-called ‘Muslim travel ban’, the hastily-announced prohibition on transgender military service, and the just-erupted fight over statues and historical memory. In each case, Bannon nudged Democrats and liberals into adopting positions that, while fashionable with their activist base and media elite, are either unpopular or considered irrelevant to a wide majority of the American people.

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    Of all the shocks of the Trump presidency, it is the public reaction – or lack thereof – to Charlottesville and the ensuing aftermath that have caused the greatest disbelief among the political and media elite. In all of my time following the Trump campaign and presidency, I cannot recall a single occurrence to which there has been a more uniformly negative media outcry than Trump’s reaction to the events in Charlottesville. But what Trump was able to do – by taking Bannon’s advice – was pivot from the controversy over apportioning blame for violence to the politically safer issue of iconoclasm, where public opinion verges drastically from that of the elite media. (And even on the matter of Trump’s claiming ‘both sides’ were to blame for the melee in Charlottesville, remarks that earned him vituperation more intense and widespread than anything I can recall, 40 percent of Americans agree with Trump that far right and far left are equally to blame).

    A large part of this disconnect between the media and the public has to do with the medium of Twitter and an obsession with cable news. The former has become an echo chamber for reporters and political commentators where the currency is moral outrage and the pastime is one-upmanship, with everyone trying to outdo each other in quick takes on the president’s latest atrocious behaviour. As for cable news, it is watched by relatively few people (no more than a couple of million in a country of 320 million), many of whom are political journalists. The 24-hour news cycle and its constant need for controversy, combined with the frenetic incompetence of the Trump administration, exacerbates the problem of hysterical news coverage by compelling journalists to frame every minor development with breathless stupefaction.

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    And so we should have every expectation that Trump will continue the Bannonite strategy of playing the role of culture warrior-in-chief. This appraisal of Bannon’s political acumen should not be interpreted as a moral judgment on the policy prescriptions he has advised Trump to follow. For what it’s worth, I disagree with Bannon and Trump on the travel ban, the transgender ban, and the removal of Confederate icons. But I’m not the sort of person Democrats need to win future elections. Bannon is a master storyteller and creator of narratives, skills he honed making political documentaries and sharpened in more lurid form at Breitbart. The grand narrative he’s spent the last several years shaping is one in which the Democrats gradually become the caricature villain of a Breitbart comments section.
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    Hillary sez she is not going to run again and gives her long good-bye...

    Democrats cringing at Hillary Clinton's long goodbye

    Former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton is pushing her way back into the news cycle this week with the publication of her 512-page campaign memoir, "What Happened,"and the accompanying 16-week, 15-city book tour.


    Republicans were more than happy to endure another four months of Clinton's complaints about the mistakes and cruelties others inflicted upon her efforts and to reopen some of the intraparty wounds from her primary victory over Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders. And they had to be downright giddy with the idea of the former first lady, U.S. senator and secretary of state putting herself in the conversation for a 2020 run.


    Many Democrats, meanwhile were clearly less than excited about that possibility.


    "I love Hillary," Minnesota Sen. Al Franken said a few weeks ago. "I think she has a right to analyze what happened. But we do have to move on."

    Doug Schoen, who served as a pollster for President Bill Clinton and worked on Hillary Clinton's 2008 campaign was even more blunt in a piece he wrote for The Hill under the headline, "Hillary, time to exit the stage."

    Clinton's book and tour, Schoen wrote, "are the latest examples of the former presidential candidate creating fresh tensions within the Democratic Party. What happened is not terribly complicated: Clinton lost the election to Donald Trump and weakened the Democratic Party in the process. In her book, Secretary Clinton blames her loss on the Russians, former FBI Director James Comey and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), among others, yet the only person she does not seem to blame is herself."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Hillary sez she is not going to run again and gives her long good-bye...


    http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.s...2020_pres.html


    In her book, Secretary Clinton blames her loss on the Russians, former FBI Director James Comey and Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), among others, yet the only person she does not seem to blame is herself."
    She was interviewed on NPR this morning, same thing.

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    That's ok that Hillary isn't running again. Our current president already hates Republicans, so the Dems don't even need to put up a candidate in 2020. Next week Trump probably comes out and says, "by tax reform I meant tax increase" and the dems all say, "woohoo!" Ryan and McConnell will complain quietly to a few aides so Trump doesn't find out they're unhappy until the following week. The fake media (Fox News) finds out about their grumbling and Hannity devotes a show to the disloyal GOP punks in Congress who dare to criticize Trump's proposed tax hike. Then Trump sends out a couple of insulting tweets calling them RINOs and Steve Bannon writes a column about how they're recruiting primary challenges for them and every other Republican member of the House and Senate so the conversion of the GOP into the Amerikan national socialist party can be completed.
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    Kasich wonders aloud if he still can identify with the current GOP. I've always liked him, and would have loved to have voted for him in the general. He was moderate and compassionate on healthcare etc.

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    40% chance that Cuban will run for president...

    Mark Cuban would run for president as a Republican in 2020

    Billionaire Mark Cuban thinks he could be the next President Trump, and says he could use the commander-in-chief's own party to do it.


    The Dallas Mavericks owner and reality show personality told Fox News Sunday night that if he runs for the White House he would do so as a Republican.


    "I think there's a place for somebody who's socially a centrist but I'm very fiscally conservative," he said.

    Cuban, who has evolved into a frequent critic of his fellow billionaire now in Washington, confirmed that he is looking into the idea of going into politics, and said that the chance he does so is about a four out of 10
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    Another billionaire reality tv-star... What could possibly go wrong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    40% chance that Cuban will run for president...


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp


    Another billionaire reality tv-star... What could possibly go wrong?
    an actual smart businessman billionaire who didnt make his fame from tv who just happened to be on tv recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    an actual smart businessman billionaire who didnt make his fame from tv who just happened to be on tv recently.
    With no knowledge of the internal workings of government or bureaucracy, what could possibly go wrong? Cuban is not exactly known as humble or teachable.
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    Ugh. People thought replacing the least experienced President is recent times with the no experienced President was a good idea. Why would we want another president with zero experience?

    Why can't we go back to the minor league system where well established effective Governors are called up to the big leagues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by beefytee View Post
    Ugh. People thought replacing the least experienced President is recent times with the no experienced President was a good idea. Why would we want another president with zero experience?

    Why can't we go back to the minor league system where well established effective Governors are called up to the big leagues?
    any repub governor worth a damn will be RINO in no time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    any repub governor worth a damn will be RINO in no time
    And any Democrat will be a Sanders Socialist in no time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beefytee View Post
    Ugh. People thought replacing the least experienced President is recent times with the no experienced President was a good idea. Why would we want another president with zero experience?
    Supreme court judges! Duh.
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    Is there any Democrat that fits this description:

    (a) Is socially liberal or libertarian, including gun rights and abortion rights; but
    (b) is supportive of small business and lowering government regulations to spur innovation and jobs; and
    (c) considers the deficit as problem that needs to be addressed now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    40% chance that Cuban will run for president...


    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=spartanntp


    Another billionaire reality tv-star... What could possibly go wrong?
    He's a also a pain in the butt to work with, from what I've heard. But he is smarter than Trump -- although so is the primate pictured in Creekster's avatar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Is there any Democrat that fits this description:

    (a) Is socially liberal or libertarian, including gun rights and abortion rights; but
    (b) is supportive of small business and lowering government regulations to spur innovation and jobs; and
    (c) considers the deficit as problem that needs to be addressed now?
    Is there any democrat that supports pro choice rights for women including consensual prostitution? I guess only democrats in parts of Nevada maybe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Is there any Democrat that fits this description:

    (a) Is socially liberal or libertarian, including gun rights and abortion rights; but
    (b) is supportive of small business and lowering government regulations to spur innovation and jobs; and
    (c) considers the deficit as problem that needs to be addressed now?
    Is there anyone from either party that fits that definition?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maximus View Post
    Is there anyone from either party that fits that definition?
    That is the candidate I'm looking for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Is there any Democrat that fits this description:

    (a) Is socially liberal or libertarian, including gun rights and abortion rights; but
    (b) is supportive of small business and lowering government regulations to spur innovation and jobs; and
    (c) considers the deficit as problem that needs to be addressed now?
    How should a libertarian/social liberal feel about abortion rights? I think I know the answer to my question, but the way you phrase this makes me think you have a different answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Applejack View Post
    How should a libertarian/social liberal feel about abortion rights? I think I know the answer to my question, but the way you phrase this makes me think you have a different answer.
    They favor them. Yes I know it's right of choice, but I just believe in stating what you mean. You want the unfettered right to an abortion, as most people do. And mind, I would never be in that situation but that's how I feel, it should be a woman's choice to have one. And yes I combined the two of gun rights which almost no liberal is in favor of, but most libertarians favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    With no knowledge of the internal workings of government or bureaucracy, what could possibly go wrong? Cuban is not exactly known as humble or teachable.
    Just curious - who was the last president of the USA who you consider to be humble?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    Just curious - who was the last president of the USA who you consider to be humble?
    So I guess the Virginia governor's race is to test whether formerly mainstream Republicans should opt for the Trump-inspired Xenophobic/anti-immigrant/anti-trade/"lots of fine people at the local KKK rally" approach? Lovely. I'd rather have the dems win if that's the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    Just curious - who was the last president of the USA who you consider to be humble?
    George W Bush. Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
    George W Bush. Seriously.
    Agreed. He knew he was the Decider, but wasn't too full of himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    So I guess the Virginia governor's race is to test whether formerly mainstream Republicans should opt for the Trump-inspired Xenophobic/anti-immigrant/anti-trade/"lots of fine people at the local KKK rally" approach? Lovely. I'd rather have the dems win if that's the case.
    Gillespie sells his soul for the morally bankrupt Trumpist crap and loses. The best thing is seeing it happen in a swing state. Hopefully, but I'm not holding my breath, this helps normal Republicans realize they don't have to embrace the racism and worst aspects of Trumpism to win.

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    aaaand Trump promptly backs the bus over Gillespie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    aaaand Trump promptly backs the bus over Gillespie.

    Yeah, hilarious, but vintage trump

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    I love it when the economy does record numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    I love it when the economy does record numbers.
    Doing it and doing it and doing it well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    I love it when the economy does record numbers.
    Deregulation and business no longer afraid of impending increasing regulation is what is driving it. These are traditional Republican tenets. We would have gotten that with any of the other 15 Republicans running for president. Trump didn't even campaign on those things really. But if the things he did campaign on that are more uniquely his like tightening trade, tariffs, and slamming the doors shut on all types of immigration take hold, then all bets are off with the economy.
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    Article on Ed Gillespie's "immigrant gangs are coming to kill you!" ad he was running.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.942982bfb68e

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