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    Quote Originally Posted by beefytee View Post
    At this point I would definitely put my money on Trump being re-elected. The impeachment is sucking any life out of the Dem race and not allowing anyone to establish themselves as a leader. That's not likely to change in the next few months. If the Republicans were smart, they would have a long drawn out Senate trial.

    The only way I see Trump not winning is if the economy tanks which it could easily do over the next 10 months, but definitely isn't guaranteed.
    Yeah. I could see the economy tanking. It seems like it is due for a correction. That would make for a more interesting election.

    I don’t think either party in the senate wants a long trial. Chuck wants to call only four witnesses and McConnell seems like he would rather have a vote of no conference on the house to call out the House Dems as a bunch of dumbasses. It is already very clear that the House Dems are dumbasses so that vote would just be a waste of time.


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    According to my calculations, the economy should start tanking around March 2021 based on the inverted yield curves.

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    The election will be decided by people like me. Independent centrists who voted for Hillary. People like me are the bellwether. Okay, not literally, because I live in Washington state. But I am a microcosm for Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, and Florida. I don't like Trump. I hate his trade and immigration policies, much of his foreign policy including with respect to NATO, and his ethics. But some of those democratic candidates like Sanders and Warren are intolerable.

    This is where I am after voting for Hillary. I don't think the democrats have done anything to move the needle against Trump's reelection since he took office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katy Lied View Post
    According to my calculations, the economy should start tanking around March 2021 based on the inverted yield curves.
    The yield curves aren’t inverted
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    If the Dems keep impeaching Drumpf he is going to have an YUGE war chest:

    Trump campaign raises $5 million on day of impeachment

    President Trump’s re-election campaign raked in $5 million in donations Wednesday — the day the House of Representatives voted to impeach him, his campaign manager said.

    “Incredible fundraising numbers!” manager Brad Parscale tweeted.

    “[Trump] has raised over [$5 million] (still growing) today as Americans use their wallet to show support against Pelosi’s impeachment hoax!” he added.
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    https://nypost.com/2019/12/19/trump-...f-impeachment/
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    Who won the wine cave pissing match? I think Pete did, and I'm hoping this will lead to the end of Warren, like Gabbard'a debate evisceration of Harris about her shameful record as prosecutor led to her demise. Pete's response played into Warren's reputation for fraudulence and hypocrisy. She's a terrible person.

    But obviously I'm super biased in evaluating this.

    A related question. Are most Democrats really stupid enough to hold it against Pete that he raised money from billionaires in a wine cave with crystals?
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    Biden takes the gloves off...

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    Y'all need to forget about old white dude Biden...

    Stop saying Biden is the 'most electable'. Trump will run rings round him

    Did we learn nothing from 2016? Trump is savagely effective at destroying establishment politicians – and Biden would lose

    Supporters of Joe Biden are unlikely to be persuaded by most of the common criticisms. They know he can be rambling and unintelligible. They know his record is unimpressive and that he doesn’t really have “policy proposals”. None of this matters, though, because to them he has the most important quality of all: he can beat Donald Trump. Nothing you can say about the former vice-president’s record, platform or mental state matters next to the argument that he is the best hope Democrats have of getting Trump out of office.

    There’s just one problem: it’s a myth. It is a myth just as it was a myth that Hillary Clinton was a good candidate against Trump. Biden is not, in fact, the pragmatic choice. He would not beat Trump. He would lose. And we must say this over and over again. Forget his flubs. Forget his finger-nibbling. Biden would be crushed by Trump. If you want Trump out of office, don’t support Biden.
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    Liz Warren apparently has taken a side job as "Ann Lauders"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Liz Warren apparently has taken a side job as "Ann Lauders"...

    Hey Liz Warren, we already have mothers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    Hey Liz Warren, we already have mothers.
    Lol. Great advice, too. Dump the guy who already dumped you.

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    I think a Biden/Warren ticket would be effective. But that’s me talking- I’d vote for a bag of Wonder Bread if it was the leading challenger vs Trump...
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    Lol. Great advice, too. Dump the guy who already dumped you.
    Ugh. She is such a dork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    I think a Biden/Warren ticket would be effective. But that’s me talking- I’d vote for a bag of Wonder Bread if it was the leading challenger vs Trump...
    I would too. Because a bad of wonder bread would run away with the dem nomination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    I would too. Because a bad of wonder bread would run away with the dem nomination.

    Super white, seemingly innocuous, but actually pretty harmful. Sounds like someone the dems would love.
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    Ah, that is too bad... I guess she wasn't crazy enough for the Dem base.

    Marianne Williamson drops out of 2020 presidential race

    Self-help author Marianne Williamson announced Friday she is ending her unlikely presidential campaign, a week after laying off nearly her entire campaign staff.
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    I'm not sure when it went up, but a neighbor who lives in a duplex a block over now has a very large Trump flag flying in his front yard.

    "Trump 2020
    No More Bullshit"

    Gotta admit - I chuckled a little as I drove by today and saw that for the first time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    I'm not sure when it went up, but a neighbor who lives in a duplex a block over now has a very large Trump flag flying in his front yard.

    "Trump 2020
    No More Bullshit"

    Gotta admit - I chuckled a little as I drove by today and saw that for the first time.
    Go over and "X" out the "No."
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    And another one bites the dust...

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/13/u...drops-out.html

    Cory Booker Drops Out of 2020 Presidential Race. The New Jersey senator, who built his campaign around a message of unity, was unable to catch on with substantial numbers of voters and ended his quest before voting began.
    I think that brings the list of active candidates to 12.

    Under no circumstances could I vote for Warren or Bernie. I could possibly consider some of the remaining candidates. I'm seeing a lot of Bloomberg advertising on the TV lately and he's polling in 5th place among Dem candidates nationally. Under no circumstances could I vote for Warren or Bernie but I would consider Bloomberg. Will be interesting to see how this pans out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    The election will be decided by people like me. Independent centrists who voted for Hillary. People like me are the bellwether. Okay, not literally, because I live in Washington state. But I am a microcosm for Pennsylvania, Michigan, Ohio, and Florida. I don't like Trump. I hate his trade and immigration policies, much of his foreign policy including with respect to NATO, and his ethics. But some of those democratic candidates like Sanders and Warren are intolerable.

    This is where I am after voting for Hillary. I don't think the democrats have done anything to move the needle against Trump's reelection since he took office.
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    So Warren is going to cancel student loan debt on day one without congressional approval. I forget, is she the reasonable alternative to Bernie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    So Warren is going to cancel student loan debt on day one without congressional approval. I forget, is she the reasonable alternative to Bernie?
    If she says, “and Mexico is going to pay for it!”, then she would get my vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    So Warren is going to cancel student loan debt on day one without congressional approval. I forget, is she the reasonable alternative to Bernie?
    Nice, I have a ton. Never missed a payment but wouldn’t turn down that offer. That won’t make me vote for her though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sullyute View Post
    If she says, “and Mexico is going to pay for it!”, then she would get my vote.
    lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    So Warren is going to cancel student loan debt on day one without congressional approval. I forget, is she the reasonable alternative to Bernie?
    This is such a BS issue. The lion's share of people who graduate from four year colleges get good jobs, make more money than their parents did, and repay their loans. Yes, that happens pretty much all the time, now more than ever. There are narrow segments of student loan borrowers where this is not true, such as who don't finish college, those who go to bar tending school and the like. Unfortunately, these borrowers tend to come from more underprivilege families. But this is not the norm. This would be a bigger load of pork barrel for people who don't really need it than the mortgage deduction, were it not for the fact that it would cost everyone so much in taxes.

    More to the point, how in the Sam Hill do these idiotic democrats think this is going to get them support from people who actually vote in the general election?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    This is such a BS issue. The lion's share of people who graduate from four year colleges get good jobs, make more money than their parents did, and repay their loans. Yes, that happens pretty much all the time, now more than ever. There are narrow segments of student loan borrowers where this is not true, such as who don't finish college, those who go to bar tending school and the like. Unfortunately, these borrowers tend to come from more underprivilege families. But this is not the norm. This would be a bigger load of pork barrel for people who don't really need it than the mortgage deduction, were it not for the fact that it would cost everyone so much in taxes.

    More to the point, how in the Sam Hill do these idiotic democrats think this is going to get them support from people who actually vote in the general election?
    Agreed. Not sure how they're going to wrest the senior citizens' vote away from MAGA's iron grip on that demographic, but I'm sure there are plenty who would are happy to not support Trump in exchange for some sort of focus on protecting social security or something...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    Agreed. Not sure how they're going to wrest the senior citizens' vote away from MAGA's iron grip on that demographic, but I'm sure there are plenty who would are happy to not support Trump in exchange for some sort of focus on protecting social security or something...
    Typical. You can't respond with reason or facts, so you resort to bigotry. You think you're pretty woke, don't you, hypocrite.

    Always easy to get some votes if you promise people free stuff. But it doesn't carry the day in the US because most of us are smart hard working people who know better. I'm sorry you are so resentful.
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    This is going to happen again.

    https://www.npr.org/2017/08/24/54581...BXAI6q_rKDRqs4

    We all knew this happened, didn't we? Sanders is supposed to be the candidate of the proletariat. I assume therefore that unlike Corbin, he's a labor candidate who actually attracts some labor votes. So this doesn't surprise me because the midwestern swing states is where the labor force of heavy industry resides and has been suffering. And the Democratic Party doesn't give a hoot about these people--who were traditionally Democratic voters. Trump at least pretended to care about them, and his cultural biases were more in line with these voters'. This is not new information, though this data reinforces what we knew. The Democratic Party needs to learn from this, but it doesn't seem to care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    Typical. You can't respond with reason or facts, so you resort to bigotry. You think you're pretty woke, don't you, hypocrite.

    Always easy to get some votes if you promise people free stuff. But it doesn't carry the day in the US because most of us are smart hard working people who know better. I'm sorry you are so resentful.
    You're not moderate sir.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    You're not moderate sir.
    You can continue to make this claim after Trump has won the next election. But it will be as wrong then.
    PLesa excuse the tpyos.

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