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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    How do other nations function when the majority of their citizens pick their leaders? Everyone is so frightened about that possibility.
    How do other nations function when one of the major national parties does not rig its primary in favor of a pre-selected candidate but instead acts impartially and unbiased according to its charter?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    How do other nations function when one of the major national parties does not rig its primary in favor of a pre-selected candidate but instead acts impartially and unbiased according to its charter?
    Yeah, this is how we ended up with Drumpf as our president... thanks a lot GOP'ers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Exactly. The wealth tax may make progressives feel warm and fuzzy, but that is an extremely dangerous precedent. Once you open that door, what is next?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    That's idiotic. I promise you that Bill Gates wasn't weighing the options of working at Taco Bell or starting Microsoft. Bill Gates was motivated by great ideas. Politics aside, only people with mediocre ideas are motivated by money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Non Sequitur View Post
    That's idiotic. I promise you that Bill Gates wasn't weighing the options of working at Taco Bell or starting Microsoft. Bill Gates was motivated by great ideas. Politics aside, only people with mediocre ideas are motivated by money.
    That's sort of what I was thinking, but you said it much better.

    I worked in the computer industry for decades and our prime motivation was to do things that had never been done before, and to do it better than the competition. Getting payed well for it was just a bonus.

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    Bloomberg looking to enter the democrat race? Please tell me it’s true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Non Sequitur View Post
    That's idiotic. I promise you that Bill Gates wasn't weighing the options of working at Taco Bell or starting Microsoft. Bill Gates was motivated by great ideas. Politics aside, only people with mediocre ideas are motivated by money.
    So, it is your position, that tax policy has no impact on investment or innovation?

    If so, that is nuts, man.

    That said, the tweet you are responding to you is stupid as nobody knows what impact tax policy had on Bill Gates individual decision, I am speaking more in aggregate terms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by imanihonjin View Post
    So, it is your position, that tax policy has no impact on investment or innovation?

    If so, that is nuts, man.

    That said, the tweet you are responding to you is stupid as nobody knows what impact tax policy had on Bill Gates individual decision, I am speaking more in aggregate terms.
    This is an amazing post so I’m responding just to preserve it in case iman decides to delete it.
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    Bill Gates still would’ve started Microsoft, but he would probably have moved a lot of the operations and personal assets overseas to avoid taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    This is an amazing post so I’m responding just to preserve it in case iman decides to delete it.
    Huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Huh?
    Iman reinterprets ns’s post in a disingenuous manner in an attempt to prove him wrong, then iman goes on to basically agree with ns. It’s the perfect polarized political argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Non Sequitur View Post
    That's idiotic. I promise you that Bill Gates wasn't weighing the options of working at Taco Bell or starting Microsoft. Bill Gates was motivated by great ideas. Politics aside, only people with mediocre ideas are motivated by money.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Iman reinterprets ns’s post in a disingenuous manner in an attempt to prove him wrong, then iman goes on to basically agree with ns. It’s the perfect polarized political argument.
    Okay, Moli, you tell me what he means by the last sentence in his post. I didn't interpret anything disingenuously, I asked if I was interpreting his post correctly. I could be wrong in my inferences and wanted to make sure I was understanding him correctly.

    Perhaps you were projecting with your disingenuous characterizations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Bloomberg looking to enter the democrat race? Please tell me it’s true.
    This could be be fun!



    The Dems seem to be loving him.
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    And Deval Patrick enters the race: https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/14/polit...ign/index.html

    And AOC is pissed about it, not sure why. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc...into-2020-race

    But if something pisses AOC off it's probably a good thing. Does anyone know anything about Deval Patrick? Is he a non-batshit-crazy, non-socialist Dem that I could vote for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
    And Deval Patrick enters the race: https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/14/polit...ign/index.html

    And AOC is pissed about it, not sure why. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc...into-2020-race

    But if something pisses AOC off it's probably a good thing. Does anyone know anything about Deval Patrick? Is he a non-batshit-crazy, non-socialist Dem that I could vote for?
    He worked at Bain Capital. If I remember correctly, that means he's automatically disqualified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatMeanie View Post
    And Deval Patrick enters the race: https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/14/polit...ign/index.html

    And AOC is pissed about it, not sure why. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc...into-2020-race

    But if something pisses AOC off it's probably a good thing. Does anyone know anything about Deval Patrick? Is he a non-batshit-crazy, non-socialist Dem that I could vote for?
    I know nothing about him, but he's my favorite dem candidate. I hope he wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    He worked at Bain Capital. If I remember correctly, that means he's automatically disqualified.
    Bain capital... Former governor of Massachusetts... Wait a minute! Mitt, is that you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Bain capital... Former governor of Massachusetts... Wait a minute! Mitt, is that you?
    I know! This guy is just plain awesome. Not as awesome as Mitt, but for a Dem, pretty danged awesome.
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    "If there is one thing I am, it's always right." -Ted Nugent.
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    Maybe the Dems should impeach Drumpf more often...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Maybe the Dems should impeach Drumpf more often...

    13.1 million? Half of that is just the remaining democrat candidates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imanihonjin View Post
    Interesting way to think about it. However, one could argue that a voters vote in Idaho counts even less in a popular vote scenario. What is one vote in an election where 136 million votes cast really worth?
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    You would think the market would be acting differently will all this impeachment and tariff stuff going on...

    US stocks surge to another record high as S&P 500 posts longest streak of weekly gains in 2 years

    The tea leaves are still not looking good for the Dems in 2020.
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    Hillary Clinton on jumping into the 2020 race...

    “I, as I say, never, never, never say never,” Clinton told BBC Radio 5 Live.
    https://nypost.com/2019/11/12/hillar...nning-in-2020/

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    Drumpf comes to the defense of Joe Biden... Good for Drumpf:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Drumpf comes to the defense of Joe Biden... Good for Drumpf:

    Kim is willing to please right now because Trump is giving him almost anything he could want.

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    Quiz: Which of these 2020 Democrats agrees with you most?

    I'm Biden, Yang, then Klobuchar.

    Got a total zero on Warren, which affirms my faith in all that is right.
    Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    Quiz: Which of these 2020 Democrats agrees with you most?

    I'm Biden, Yang, then Klobuchar.

    Got a total zero on Warren, which affirms my faith in all that is right.
    Im the same and I don’t even need to take the quiz!

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    Biden, Yang, Booker, Klobuchar

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    Number of times they agreed with you (out of 10)
    Biden 6, Yang 5, Klobuchar 4, Buttigieg 3, Gabbard 3, Booker 2, Harris 1, Sanders 1, Steyer 1, Warren 0

    Biden could get to 8 of 10 with me if he agreed with expanding nuclear power and agreed to leave the electoral college alone. The problem is the 10 areas do not address foreign policy, national security, budget priorities, etc. They also only allowed very broad stroke answers to the already broad questions. The devil is in the details.

    I think if they got Trump's position on those, there would be more agreement than the parties want people to believe.
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