The 2020 Presidential Election Primary Thread

[BlueK]

So, with Kamala Harris staying that she wants to force everyone into Medicare, I’m again left to wonder if I should vote for her or Trump should she get the nomination. What are the chances we end up with a Democrat that has at least some sense of centrality in their platform? Right now it seems they are all vying to be the most progressive candidate ever.

Biden is reasonable and if he runs has a better chance than most might think. if there are 10 far-lefties in the field and one more centrist, the lefties will all cancel themselves out. It's the reverse of what happened with the GOP last time with 15 or so neocons and one Donald Trump. Trump was able to secure the nomination despite over half the primary voters preferring someone else.

[Northwestcoug]

So, with Kamala Harris staying that she wants to force everyone into Medicare, I’m again left to wonder if I should vote for her or Trump should she get the nomination. What are the chances we end up with a Democrat that has at least some sense of centrality in their platform? Right now it seems they are all vying to be the most progressive candidate ever.

Gotta say, if people claim to be impartial but still consider voting for Trump after the last two years, their impartiality is pretty suspect.

I would vote for a raging liberal who wants medicare for all and promises higher taxes, before I would vote for Trump. But that's me.

Write in Mitt. Don't vote. But voting for Trump in 2020?!?!

[Walter Sobchak]

So, with Kamala Harris staying that she wants to force everyone into Medicare, I’m again left to wonder if I should vote for her or Trump should she get the nomination. What are the chances we end up with a Democrat that has at least some sense of centrality in their platform? Right now it seems they are all vying to be the most progressive candidate ever.

Howard Schultz: America’s New Banality Supervillain

[Schultz] is running for the same dumb reason that’s inspired various Wall Street leaders to whisper concerns about 2020 to reporters of late: they fear and despise wealth-tax-proposing liberals like Bernie Sanders or even Elizabeth Warren more than they disapprove of the Trump presidency, and are too stupid to keep that evil thought to themselves.

[wapiti]

Gotta say, if people claim to be impartial but still consider voting for Trump after the last two years, their impartiality is pretty suspect.

I would vote for a raging liberal who wants medicare for all and promises higher taxes, before I would vote for Trump. But that's me.

Write in Mitt. Don't vote. But voting for Trump in 2020?!?!

I didn't vote for Trump. I won't vote for Trump. But I prefer Trump over a raging liberal. The Trump administration is a circus. He is an idiot. But at the end of the day, most of the damage he does is relatively superficial. I trust our system of checks and balances to keep him from doing anything too outrageous. I think the Russia stuff is a nothingburger. He has done quite a few good things, too. I like the tax cuts and the supreme court nominees.

A raging liberal with a sympathetic congress would be far more dangerous. Entitlements only go one direction. Judiciary picks are important.

[BlueK]

I think the Russia stuff is a nothingburger.

Question:

Is it a nothingburger because you believe nothing happened, or because you don't think it matters if it did?

Because I think the numerous lies from him and those around him about his and his campaign's actions around Russia are not in dispute at this point.

[Northwestcoug]

I didn't vote for Trump. I won't vote for Trump. But I prefer Trump over a raging liberal. The Trump administration is a circus. He is an idiot. But at the end of the day, most of the damage he does is relatively superficial. I trust our system of checks and balances to keep him from doing anything too outrageous. I think the Russia stuff is a nothingburger. He has done quite a few good things, too. I like the tax cuts and the supreme court nominees.

A raging liberal with a sympathetic congress would be far more dangerous. Entitlements only go one direction. Judiciary picks are important.

Completely disagree, 100%. He has destroyed any semblance of a serious conservative national party. He has corrupted everything he has touched. There is nothing superficial in the damage he has caused in 2 (!!!) years.

[SeattleUte]

Gotta say, if people claim to be impartial but still consider voting for Trump after the last two years, their impartiality is pretty suspect.

I would vote for a raging liberal who wants medicare for all and promises higher taxes, before I would vote for Trump. But that's me.

Write in Mitt. Don't vote. But voting for Trump in 2020?!?!

Some things are more important than not having a boorish president. Like not having a president who made a compaign promise to nationalize one-quarter of the country’s economy, while instantly creating a health care shortage and imperative to ration health care, smothering health care innovation, plunging the government further into insolvency, and raising the tax rate for everyone to over 50%.

[SeattleUte]

Completely disagree, 100%. He has destroyed any semblance of a serious conservative national party. He has corrupted everything he has touched. There is nothing superficial in the damage he has caused in 2 (!!!) years.

You’re so right. He’s also ruined the Democratic Party!

[Northwestcoug]

Some things are more important than not having a boorish president. Like not having a president who made a compaign promise to nationalize one-quarter of the country’s economy, while instantly creating a health care shortage and imperative to ration health care, smothering health care innovation, plunging the government further into insolvency, and raising the tax rate for everyone to over 50%.

Nice troll, Hannity.

[SeattleUte]

Question:

Is it a nothingburger because you believe nothing happened, or because you don't think it matters if it did?

Because I think the numerous lies from him and those around him about his and his campaign's actions around Russia are not in dispute at this point.

Nothing happened to merit the this ado. The Mueler report will speak for itself and it will be anticlimactic. Mark this for a SWISH! It’s all politics.

[SeattleUte]

Nice troll, Hannity.

What do you call what Kamala Harris said yesterday—all insurance should be federal, all heath care providers should work for the government’s pay. By the way, it doesn’t work unless you for all intents and purposes destroy the private health care sector.

[SeattleUte]

Anyone here who lives in Utah, especially outside of Salt Lake, should be precluded from posting apologetics for the likes of Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders. It’s very easy to do that if you live in Utah, if you’re kind of clueless about the insularity, hatred and contempt that’s held by these people for the business community and landlocked states like Utah. Fortunatley, contrary to their belief, not everyone with a moral compass believes the things that they do.

[Northwestcoug]

What do you call what Kama Harris said yesterday—all insurance should be federal, all heath care providers should work for the government’s pay. By the way, it doesn’t work unless you for all intents and purposes destroy the private health care sector.

What do you call 'and raising the tax rate for everyone to over 50%'?

[SeattleUte]

What do you call 'and raising the tax rate for everyone to over 50%'?

What do you think the tax rate is for everyone in Canada and Denmark? How do you think all of this free stuff (you don’t even need to fill out forms or prove it’s medically necessary) gets paid for? That’s what taxes are like in those countries always held up as examples of successful socialism.

[SeattleUte]

What do you call 'and raising the tax rate for everyone to over 50%'?

https://tradingeconomics.com/denmark...ncome-tax-rate

This is what Sanders, Harris and Warren want. Biden too, as he’s now sprinting to the left.

[Northwestcoug]

What do you think the tax rate is for everyone in Canada and Denmark? How do you think all of this free stuff (you don’t even need to fill out forms or prove it’s medically necessary) gets paid for? That’s what taxes are like in those countries always held up as examples of successful socialism.

Does Canada or Denmark tax everyone at over 50%? Is there any industrialized country with some form of socialized medicine that taxes all of it's citizens over 50%?

Again, nice troll.

[BlueK]

Nothing happened to merit the this ado. The Mueler report will speak for itself and it will be anticlimactic. Mark this for a SWISH! It’s all politics.

so which choice did you make?

1, it didn't happen
or 2, if it did happen that his campaign teamed with the Russians, it doesn't matter

Maybe try taking a crack at arguing with this piece written by a former federal prosecutor. Otherwise you're just making an empty declarative statement based only on your political leanings.


https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...acy-ncna963686

[myboynoah]

Nice troll, Hannity.

Abuse report!

[frank ryan]

Anyone here who lives in Utah, especially outside of Salt Lake, should be precluded from posting apologetics for the likes of Kamala Harris and Bernie Sanders. It’s very easy to do that if you live in Utah, if you’re kind of clueless about the insularity, hatred and contempt that’s held by these people for the business community and landlocked states like Utah. Fortunatley, contrary to their belief, not everyone with a moral compass believes the things that they do.

Stop with your arrogance and elistism. Good grief.

[BlueK]

https://tradingeconomics.com/denmark...ncome-tax-rate

This is what Sanders, Harris and Warren want. Biden too, as he’s now sprinting to the left.

none of that would pass both houses. Frankly, there aren't even enough socialists in the House alone to pass 50% tax rates. There is a better chance of Trump handing Putin our nuclear codes.

[Jeff Lebowski]

[frank ryan]

SU has a habit of telling people when they are allowed to have opinions about things. He called me and others ugly Americans when we expressed dismay at Brazil’s election outcome and now Utahns should be excluded from having all sorts of other opinions.

Of course SU is allowed to have opinions about Denmark’s system and Canada’s system. I guess he is immune from his own designation of ugly American.

[falafel]

none of that would pass both houses. Frankly, there aren't even enough socialists in the House alone to pass 50% tax rates. There is a better chance of Trump handing Putin our nuclear codes.

Kind of reminds me what people said about Trump. Congress will reign in his dumber ideas and neutralize him.

[BlueK]

Kind of reminds me what people said about Trump. Congress will reign in his dumber ideas and neutralize him.

Kind of ended up being true in a way because most of what Trump has done has been completely around Congress. They haven't stepped up to stop him on much, but the courts have on several things. But Congress really hasn't actively supported him on much either, other than some traditional stuff like a tax cut bill.

[wapiti]

Question:

Is it a nothingburger because you believe nothing happened, or because you don't think it matters if it did?

Because I think the numerous lies from him and those around him about his and his campaign's actions around Russia are not in dispute at this point.

The Mueller Report will be a big disappointment. This is playing out predictably. Investigation drags on for a long time, a few Trumpians get twisted up and charged with perjury and/or obstruction. They find some tax violations and maybe some obscure campaign finance issues. But a smoking gun on Trump himself? Nope. Nothingburger.

His campaign's actions around Russia are not in dispute? Do you only read CNN and the Huffington Post?

[PaloAltoCougar]

Given the times, this wish is probably a vain one, but I hope our next President doesn't Tweet. I confess I find Trump's incessant tweets (often a dozen a day) entertaining, although not the way he intends. I'd like a smarter, more thoughtful President from either party who has better things to do with his/her time than to throw out a never-ending stream of tweets that reflect the author's superficial and banal thought process.

[Commando]

Kind of ended up being true in a way because most of what Trump has done has been completely around Congress. They haven't stepped up to stop him on much, but the courts have on several things. But Congress really hasn't actively supported him on much other than some traditional stuff like a tax cut bill.

Federal courts have done most of the heavy lifting reigning in Trump's dumber impulses. Those will be severely tamped down for the next 2 years w a Democratic Congress, too.

[SeattleUte]

SU has a habit of telling people when they are allowed to have opinions about things. He called me and others ugly Americans when we expressed dismay at Brazil’s election outcome and now Utahns should be excluded from having all sorts of other opinions.

Of course SU is allowed to have opinions about Denmark’s system and Canada’s system. I guess he is immune from his own designation of ugly American.

I don’t care what Canada and Denmark do. I want you and BS and the others to stop trying to turn us into Denmark or Canada. We’re not the same, and we’re a lot more successful. Where do you think most of the health care innovation comes from?

[SeattleUte]

so which choice did you make?

1, it didn't happen
or 2, if it did happen that his campaign teamed with the Russians, it doesn't matter

Maybe try taking a crack at arguing with this piece written by a former federal prosecutor. Otherwise you're just making an empty declarative statement based only on your political leanings.


https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...acy-ncna963686

Since there’s no there there I have nothing but empty declarative statements to make. Show me Mueler! I don’t think yo can.

[SeattleUte]

Does Canada or Denmark tax everyone at over 50%? Is there any industrialized country with some form of socialized medicine that taxes all of it's citizens over 50%?

Again, nice troll.

Denmark’s top end 60% tax rate applies to people making over about 55k.