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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    So if Biden "digitally raped" a woman as she claims, that is not as egregious in your mind as multiple consensual affairs and hush payments to at least one mistress? I did not and will not vote for trump. But in the age of metoo and post kavenaugh, it's out there to think Biden should skate on such a serious allegation without anyone checking if there is corroboration just because Trump is disgusting.
    It would be a serious issue, and should cause us to pause. My point is that Trump has so dirtied the waters with his payments to porn stars and Playboy models and talk of grabbing pussies and ogling naked beauty pageant contestants that it gets lost in all the smoke and crap. And we're not even talking yet about his just generally being one of the worst people in the history of mankind; a true sociopath. That cesspool makes it difficult to focus on a one-off accusation about Biden.

    I'd rather not vote for Biden, but given the choice between a known super piece of shit and an accused mere piece of shit, I'll opt for the accused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    It would be a serious issue, and should cause us to pause. My point is that Trump has so dirtied the waters with his payments to porn stars and Playboy models and talk of grabbing pussies and ogling naked beauty pageant contestants that it gets lost in all the smoke and crap. And we're not even talking yet about his just generally being one of the worst people in the history of mankind; a true sociopath. That cesspool makes it difficult to focus on a one-off accusation about Biden.

    I'd rather not vote for Biden, but given the choice between a known super piece of shit and an accused mere piece of shit, I'll opt for the accused.
    I cant disagree with any of that. You last paragraph should be a biden campaign ad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    I cant disagree with any of that. You last paragraph should be a biden campaign ad!
    BIDEN 2020! I'm just an accused mere piece of shit!
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    My approach is more along the lines of "when given the choice between a senile idiot and an arrogant idiot, I'll choose the senile idiot every time."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    So if Biden "digitally raped" a woman as she claims, that is not as egregious in your mind as multiple consensual affairs and hush payments to at least one mistress? I did not and will not vote for trump. But in the age of metoo and post kavenaugh, it's out there to think Biden should skate on such a serious allegation without anyone checking if there is corroboration just because Trump is disgusting.

    Unless they are paid not to check...

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    A year ago, Reade—who supported the campaigns of Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.)—attempted to come forward with stories of sexual harassment in Biden's offices. As detailed in an Intercept piece, she reached out to Time's Up, a project of the National Women's Law Center that provides support to alleged #MeToo victims. Time's Up declined to assist Reade; the organization's official excuse was that a feud with a national political candidate could jeopardize their status as a 501(c)(3) non-partisan group. But as The Intercept also notes:
    The public relations firm that works on behalf of the Time's Up Legal Defense Fund is SKDKnickerbocker, whose managing director, Anita Dunn, is the top adviser to Biden's presidential campaign. A spokesperson for Biden declined to comment. The SKDK spokesperson assigned to Time's Up referred questions back to the NWLC.
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    https://reason.com/2020/03/26/joe-bi...believe-women/

    Why won't Time's Up (aka #MeToo) take up Tara Reade's case? That is the $806,000 question:

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    Quote Originally Posted by myboynoah View Post
    It would be a serious issue, and should cause us to pause. My point is that Trump has so dirtied the waters with his payments to porn stars and Playboy models and talk of grabbing pussies and ogling naked beauty pageant contestants that it gets lost in all the smoke and crap. And we're not even talking yet about his just generally being one of the worst people in the history of mankind; a true sociopath. That cesspool makes it difficult to focus on a one-off accusation about Biden.

    I'd rather not vote for Biden, but given the choice between a known super piece of shit and an accused mere piece of shit, I'll opt for the accused.
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    Yeah I find something super fucking eye rolling about Trump jerkers' posting things about how Joe Biden is creepy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    Yeah I find something super fucking eye rolling about Trump jerkers' posting things about how Joe Biden is creepy.
    Or, and I'm just spitballing here, many would rather not be forced to make a choice between two creepy old men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    A certain weird segment of them who enjoy there persecution complex. I like Bernie, I think he is a rare example of a non flip-flopping politician but he isn’t a pragmatic choice, and never was. People bitch about him not being backed by the democratic establishment, but he joined the party when it was needed as a potential path to the presidency. I think some of Bernie’s fanboys are far whinier than him.

    What’s curious to me if weirdo Gabbard backing Biden. There was nothing normal about her campaign. For all the protesting about being labeled a Russian asset and being accused of courting right-wingers she has become a fixture on RT and made loads of appearances on Fox. I wonder if she choose Biden because Bernie would not commit to her being his running mate.
    It's weird to object to be labeled a Russian asset?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    Or, and I'm just spitballing here, many would rather not be forced to make a choice between two creepy old men.

    Write in Tulsi!
    Yes, the right choice here is not to hold your nose and vote for one creep over the other but to vote for the libertarian... Tulsi should run as a libertarian.

    It is pure hypocrisy of the dems that they won't even give Tara Reade even the time of day and the overlook the fact that Joe is a creep that most likely did the things she said he did. They should just go with the socialist Bernie as their candidate. At least his memory is still works and he is far less creepy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Tulsi should run as a libertarian.
    No, she shouldn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    No, she shouldn't.
    Shut up, Walter. She would make a great libertarian.
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    So - maybe I don't understand how this all works. But when someone says "Biden's a creepy old man and these rape allegations against him should be looked into" and then someone else says "yeah - but Trump has done worse, I'll take Biden over him any day." - isn't that basically the definition of whataboutism?

    I don't say this to excuse Trump. I'd rather vote for Biden myself - I think he's more moderate than he's playing for the primaries, and he's the most moderate of the frontrunners easily.

    But why excuse Biden just because Trump is worse? If he truly raped this gal, he should answer for it. Just as Trump should answer for any of the alleged sexual assault/harassment he's apparently facing lawsuits for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    So - maybe I don't understand how this all works. But when someone says "Biden's a creepy old man and these rape allegations against him should be looked into" and then someone else says "yeah - but Trump has done worse, I'll take Biden over him any day." - isn't that basically the definition of whataboutism?

    I don't say this to excuse Trump. I'd rather vote for Biden myself - I think he's more moderate than he's playing for the primaries, and he's the most moderate of the frontrunners easily.

    But why excuse Biden just because Trump is worse? If he truly raped this gal, he should answer for it. Just as Trump should answer for any of the alleged sexual assault/harassment he's apparently facing lawsuits for.
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    Being creepy is tolerable. Trump has been more than creepy. I know there are allegation out there that Biden has been more than creepy. We'll have to see how those play out. If Biden is a rapist, there is likely more than one victim. Some of those victims are likely to come forward. If he does have a history like this, he is pretty dumb running for President knowing there is no keeping that stuff quiet anymore. And yes that is a possibility too.

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    I'm kind of skeptical about the Biden allegations. The guy has been in public office for about 40 years, including 8 as VP. No dirt (of this variety) came up on him after Gary Hart, Clarence Thomas, Bob Packwood, Bill Clinton and the dozens of other sex scandals where he played a direct or peripheral role. Not saying he hasn't crossed boundaries but it doesn't really add up for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    I'm kind of skeptical about the Biden allegations. The guy has been in public office for about 40 years, including 8 as VP. No dirt (of this variety) came up on him after Gary Hart, Clarence Thomas, Bob Packwood, Bill Clinton and the dozens of other sex scandals where he played a direct or peripheral role. Not saying he hasn't crossed boundaries but it doesn't really add up for me.
    Me too. I was also skeptical of the allegations against Kavanaugh though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    I'm kind of skeptical about the Biden allegations. The guy has been in public office for about 40 years, including 8 as VP. No dirt (of this variety) came up on him after Gary Hart, Clarence Thomas, Bob Packwood, Bill Clinton and the dozens of other sex scandals where he played a direct or peripheral role. Not saying he hasn't crossed boundaries but it doesn't really add up for me.
    I've read through and then watched a lengthy interview with her and I'm inclined to believe Biden accosted her, but I'm skeptical he went as far as she now claims. As gropey as Biden is, I think he's smart enough not to go that far in a semi-public place, and the absence of any others claiming similar treatment is somewhat telling.

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    I don't understand the reasoning behind the Wisconsin GOP insisting the state not postpone the Democratic primary which now is forced to go today despite the current situation. They must think there is some kind of political advantage to themselves in forcing it to go forward, but I'm not sure what it could be.

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    The politics of the pandemic are baffling.

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    Everyone knows the election not being postponed a couple of months is because of the Republicans forcing it to happen today, and it appears people aren't happy about it. Maybe I"m missing something, but this seems to me to be a pretty dumb hill for the GOP to be planting their flag on in a crucially important swing state.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...er/2961938001/

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Everyone knows the election not being postponed a couple of months is because of the Republicans forcing it to happen today, and it appears people aren't happy about it. Maybe I"m missing something, but this seems to me to be a pretty dumb hill for the GOP to be planting their flag on in a crucially important swing state.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...er/2961938001/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter Sobchak View Post
    frank will be here shortly to explain it all to us. Pretty sure it has something to do with Putin.
    Yeah, I bet that SoB Putin created that Covid-19 bat and got the Chinese to eat it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    I'm kind of skeptical about the Biden allegations. The guy has been in public office for about 40 years, including 8 as VP. No dirt (of this variety) came up on him after Gary Hart, Clarence Thomas, Bob Packwood, Bill Clinton and the dozens of other sex scandals where he played a direct or peripheral role. Not saying he hasn't crossed boundaries but it doesn't really add up for me.
    Yeah, it is not like Joe has a long history of this kind of behavior with other women... oh wait:

    An Awkward Kiss Changed How I Saw Joe Biden

    I felt him get closer to me from behind. He leaned further in and inhaled my hair. I was mortified. I thought to myself, “I didn’t wash my hair today and the vice-president of the United States is smelling it. And also, what in the actual fuck? Why is the vice-president of the United States smelling my hair?” He proceeded to plant a big slow kiss on the back of my head. My brain couldn’t process what was happening. I was embarrassed. I was shocked. I was confused. There is a Spanish saying, “tragame tierra,” it means, “earth, swallow me whole.” I couldn’t move and I couldn’t say anything. I wanted nothing more than to get Biden away from me.
    [...]
    Time passed and pictures started to surface of Vice-President Biden getting uncomfortably close with women and young girls. Biden nuzzling the neck of the Defense secretary’s wife; Biden kissing a senator’s wife on the lips; Biden whispering in women’s ears; Biden snuggling female constituents. I saw obvious discomfort in the women’s faces, and Biden, I’m sure, never thought twice about how it made them feel. I knew I couldn’t say anything publicly about what those pictures surfaced for me; my anger and my resentment grew.


    Had I never seen those pictures, I may have been able to give Biden the benefit of the doubt. Had there not been multiple articles written over the years about the exact same thing — calling his creepy behavior an “open secret” — perhaps it would feel less offensive. And yet despite the steady stream of pictures and the occasional article, Biden retained his title of America’s Favorite Uncle. On occasion that title was downgraded to America’s Creepy Uncle but that in and of itself implied a certain level of acceptance.
    [...]
    https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/an-aw...joe-biden.html

    I guess he is creepy. I wonder what he does when the cameras are off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    I don't understand the reasoning behind the Wisconsin GOP insisting the state not postpone the Democratic primary which now is forced to go today despite the current situation. They must think there is some kind of political advantage to themselves in forcing it to go forward, but I'm not sure what it could be.
    Maybe they want to give Bernie's campaign a shot in the arm. His supporters seem to trend younger, and younger people are less concerned with going out in public during the pandemic (it seems to me). Biden's supporters are likely to have a higher average age and would be therefore more likely to stay home? A guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Yeah, it is not like Joe has a long history of this kind of behavior with other women... oh wait:


    https://www.thecut.com/2019/03/an-aw...joe-biden.html

    I guess he is creepy. I wonder what he does when the cameras are off.
    Creepy, yes. But I can see why these things didn't make headlines 20 years ago. Nobody gave a crap about that kind of thing then.
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    adios bernie!
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    Quote Originally Posted by old_gregg View Post
    adios bernie!
    I'm a little surprised. I thought he would stay in longer even without a shot at the nomination. Might be running low on funds.
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    I love the potential for awkward creepy Biden moments, smelling and nuzzling and such. I'm really hoping he picks a good VP. Good chance he'll be picking his replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bo Diddley View Post
    I love the potential for awkward creepy Biden moments, smelling and nuzzling and such. I'm really hoping he picks a good VP. Good chance he'll be picking his replacement.
    Indeed. VP choice especially important for Biden. He will be pressed to go far left to appease Bernie supporters, but the winning pick is a solid moderate. There are a ton of people in the middle that don't want to vote for Trump but were going to be pushed to him by Bernie's radicalism.

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