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    How does presenting the argument without comment violate that code? It does not violate it as he quoted it, which is what I was relying on. ALthough I would obviously need to defer to your experience and knowledge on this topic.
    A little background: just today my union was legislated back to work after a five week strike. Higher ed here is in crisis. Firstly, we are woefully underfunded, especially at the level I teach, and this is exacerbated by the mental health issues students are manifesting and dealing with and that we are being asked to address daily. I am now a certified mental health first responder—certified through mandatory (voluntold) training I received this past spring. It is all a condition of the current academic climate. This past year three of my colleagues were threatened with a human rights lawsuit for supposedly violating a students rights. Human rights tribunals are not a part of the judiciary. They fall outside it, and private individuals can be censured and heavily fined if found in violation.

    The threat was very real and had to be taken very seriously. As it relates to human rights, the universities here are worse off. They have far more students who are struggling with mental health issues than we have at the college level, completely overwhelming the available mental health resources, and I don't think it's a coincidence. The more safe you try to make a space, the more problems you end up creating.

    While I don't teach at a university, I do teach a course that is meant to be delivered as an equivalent to a first year university level course. It's one of the few, if not the only lecture-based (62 students in a large lecture hall) courses taught in my particular school, within the larger school that is my college. Some of what I deliver can be considered controversial. I have to be very careful. I forewarn students with carefully worded trigger warnings before every lecture. My class is called Ideas and Images. It's about art and philosophy, and I have seriously contemplated walking away from the course, simply because I can't personally afford the risk attached to it, but I love teaching the class and it is a student favourite—for now.

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    They have far more students who are struggling with mental health issues than we have at the college level, completely overwhelming the available mental health resources, and I don't think it's a coincidence. The more safe you try to make a space, the more problems you end up creating.
    I attended a meeting the other day where someone from the BYU CAPS office (counseling and psych services) spoke. He said that back in 2003 there were ~2500 visits per year to the CAPS office by students seeking therapy. Now it is 10,000 per year. I frequently refer students from my ward over there and it has become extremely difficult to just make an appt. And I think they have something like 80 therapists.

    I have asked people work there what is going on. They think it is partially due to increased awareness about emotional disorders (and reduced stigma), but they think the main factor is the increased level of competitiveness. Students have to be extreme overachievers to get admitted, then they end up being average or worse. Leads to a lot of anxiety and depression I guess.
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    It just seems like a different world when the "Diversity and Equity Office" apparently has a division called "Gendered Violence and Sexual Assault Prevention and Support".
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    Good on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    Good on him.
    I thought he was spot on until he said calling someone hitler escalates the discussion to the point of being dangerous. That's sort of the same problem that he is attacking. Presenting, discussing and thinking about ideas, including extreme ideas, is NOT typically dangerous. I think we need to be able to deal and cope with all of ideas, to understand that some of them have value and some do not and learn how to tell the difference. You will never tell the difference if you are afraid to learn about what's out there. You might as well live your life under a blanket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I attended a meeting the other day where someone from the BYU CAPS office (counseling and psych services) spoke. He said that back in 2003 there were ~2500 visits per year to the CAPS office by students seeking therapy. Now it is 10,000 per year. I frequently refer students from my ward over there and it has become extremely difficult to just make an appt. And I think they have something like 80 therapists.

    I have asked people work there what is going on. They think it is partially due to increased awareness about emotional disorders (and reduced stigma), but they think the main factor is the increased level of competitiveness. Students have to be extreme overachievers to get admitted, then they end up being average or worse. Leads to a lot of anxiety and depression I guess.
    The higher-ed landscape has changed dramatically in the past five years. The mental health first responder course I was "voluntarily" enrolled in, was two weeks long and intensive. Interestingly, I was basically the only faculty member that didn't really struggle with the idea that I could respond to and help a person suffering from a mental health crisis: literally every role play scenario we read about, discussed, or watched play out on video I have lived through as a missionary, home teacher and priesthood leader.

    Here's an interesting video on the subject. Don't know that I completely agree with the author being interviewed, but I do think she makes some good points:

    "The number of students accessing mental health services at post-secondary institutions across North America has sky-rocketed. Hara Estroff Marano, Psychology Today's editor-at-large and the author of "A Nation of Wimps: The High Cost of Invasive Parenting," believes part of that is due to hothouse parenting."

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    The higher-ed landscape has changed dramatically in the past five years. The mental health first responder course I was "voluntarily" enrolled in, was two weeks long and intensive. Interestingly, I was basically the only faculty member that didn't really struggle with the idea that I could respond to and help a person suffering from a mental health crisis: literally every role play scenario we read about, discussed, or watched play out on video I have lived through as a missionary, home teacher and priesthood leader.

    Here's an interesting video on the subject. Don't know that I completely agree with the author being interviewed, but I do think she makes some good points:

    "The number of students accessing mental health services at post-secondary institutions across North America has sky-rocketed. Hara Estroff Marano, Psychology Today's editor-at-large and the author of "A Nation of Wimps: The High Cost of Invasive Parenting," believes part of that is due to hothouse parenting."

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    Be careful not to show any clips of that video in your classes, unless you like getting complaints from students.
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    Wilfrid Laurier University apologizes:

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    Wilfrid Laurier University apologizes:

    http://nationalpost.com/news/politic...-peterson-clip
    Hooray! Common sense FTW.

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    Let's compare, undergrad student that has never been told "don't sweat the small stuff" complains about something that will have zero impact on his/her life vs. tribunal of another student/TA that threatens their academic future and brings up the prospect of criminal prosecution.

    A student's fragile emotional/psychological state shouldn't be the grounds for terrorizing sane, normal people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I attended a meeting the other day where someone from the BYU CAPS office (counseling and psych services) spoke. He said that back in 2003 there were ~2500 visits per year to the CAPS office by students seeking therapy. Now it is 10,000 per year. I frequently refer students from my ward over there and it has become extremely difficult to just make an appt. And I think they have something like 80 therapists.

    I have asked people work there what is going on. They think it is partially due to increased awareness about emotional disorders (and reduced stigma), but they think the main factor is the increased level of competitiveness. Students have to be extreme overachievers to get admitted, then they end up being average or worse. Leads to a lot of anxiety and depression I guess.
    I've worked a college setting. Students getting help in record numbers is a good thing and should be encouraged. Even the well-adjusted can stand to benefit from some therapy during college years. I benefited from accessing counseling as a student myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Hooray! Common sense FTW.

    I like this Lindsay Shepherd woman.
    Weak apology.

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    “I meant to use it to drive home a point about context by saying here was material that would definitely need to be contextualized rather than presented neutrally, and instead I implied that Dr. Peterson is like Hitler, which is untrue and was never my intention.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    Wilfrid Laurier University apologizes:

    http://nationalpost.com/news/politic...-peterson-clip
    Good thing she secretly recorded the meeting or this wouldn’t have had the outcome it did.

    I can’t believe that professor pulled out the Hitler comparison. Ugh. So stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CardiacCoug View Post
    Good thing she secretly recorded the meeting or this wouldn’t have had the outcome it did.

    I can’t believe that professor pulled out the Hitler comparison. Ugh. So stupid.
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    this is clearly not isolated. the liberal arts academy is a rancid race to the bottom fuck fuck game with zero accountability. why are public universities funding people to write 600 page treatises about what foucault thought jacques derrida’s farts tasted like? know what happens when you blow it in a real discipline? you get shit on. but you can’t blow it in the accountability free zone of imagination.
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    Posting here because it seems the default place for over-the-top liberal, social justice stuff.

    Today I learned the term "rape by fraud". I guess now a man can be considered a rapist if he says or does anything the woman might later consider to be fraudulent in the courtship phase before the "rape"? "I thought you were gonna marry me!" Rapist!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    Posting here because it seems the default place for over-the-top liberal, social justice stuff.

    Today I learned the term "rape by fraud". I guess now a man can be considered a rapist if he says or does anything the woman might later consider to be fraudulent in the courtship phase before the "rape"? "I thought you were gonna marry me!" Rapist!
    There are legitimate cases of "rape by fraud". This case in California is notable: http://beta.latimes.com/local/lanow/...508-story.html

    The tricky part is writing the law such that it accounts for cases like the California example but doesn't include instance like you describe where a man lies to a lady to induce consent.

    Lying to obtain consent is actually pretty interesting when you think about it. When does a lie pass the point of simply being good persuasion into the territory of fraud?

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    LOL... what a bunch of wimps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    LOL... what a bunch of wimps.
    Ha ha. That reminds me of the time funk got after me for using the term social justice warrior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Ted View Post
    Kate Mara doing this kind of work now? Sad!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Ha ha. That reminds me of the time funk got after me for using the term social justice warrior.
    You were right. It isn't important to get hung up on terms. I'm over being upset about the use of the term social justice warrior. Of course, I personally would not use the term because of it coming out of gamergate. A term created by people that went around threatening to rape women on social media as an intimidation tactic isn't the type of association I would want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpfunk View Post
    You were right. It isn't important to get hung up on terms. I'm over being upset about the use of the term social justice warrior. Of course, I personally would not use the term because of it coming out of gamergate. A term created by people that went around threatening to rape women on social media as an intimidation tactic isn't the type of association I would want.
    Funk, do you ever call someone a "dork"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Funk, do you ever call someone a "dork"?
    I actually don't think that is one that I use regularly. I assume that it has a background that I should not want to associate with if you are bringing it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mpfunk View Post
    I actually don't think that is one that I use regularly. I assume that it has a background that I should not want to associate with if you are bringing it up.
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    What do you guys think of the way the local high school basketball crowds taunt other teams? I'm sure this is not a Utah specific thing, but I think the evolution of this in Utah came from Utah State and out to the Logan schools and down to the rest of Utah. Maybe I've been too much wussified in the PC way of life or maybe I'm evolving into a better person. Not sure. But I felt really taken aback watching the local high school student section taunt the other team. Address the other team's coach directly. Taunt individual players from the other team. etc. In the world of anti-bullying and all that, it seems really out of place. Should this be stopped? Or am I turning into a wuss?

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    wuss. I played in CA and not Utah so I can't tell you what Utah HS basketball was like. But I can say that the most fun I had as a HS basketball player was shutting up extremely hostile crowds. Basketball fans have always had the ability to make it personal due to their proximity to the court, this isn't new and it certainly didn't begin with USU. I am 43 and crowds were brutal to players and coaches when I played.
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    Have to agree with Fly, you may be turning into a wuss.

    Go watch Hoosiers and see if the heckling portrayed in Indiana HS ball in the 50s is any different than now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    What do you guys think of the way the local high school basketball crowds taunt other teams? I'm sure this is not a Utah specific thing, but I think the evolution of this in Utah came from Utah State and out to the Logan schools and down to the rest of Utah. Maybe I've been too much wussified in the PC way of life or maybe I'm evolving into a better person. Not sure. But I felt really taken aback watching the local high school student section taunt the other team. Address the other team's coach directly. Taunt individual players from the other team. etc. In the world of anti-bullying and all that, it seems really out of place. Should this be stopped? Or am I turning into a wuss?
    Quote Originally Posted by Flystripper View Post
    wuss. I played in CA and not Utah so I can't tell you what Utah HS basketball was like. But I can say that the most fun I had as a HS basketball player was shutting up extremely hostile crowds. Basketball fans have always had the ability to make it personal due to their proximity to the court, this isn't new and it certainly didn't begin with USU. I am 43 and crowds were brutal to players and coaches when I played.
    I went to Alta in the late 90s. We would get to school early to make sure we got a seat in the first 3 rows so that we could direct all our energy against the opposing team's best players. I remember a particular time we went after one kid from Brighton, Morgan Smith I think it was, who later played for BYU for a year or two. I don't know how you would compare it today's kids, but we were as brutal as we could be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jay santos View Post
    What do you guys think of the way the local high school basketball crowds taunt other teams? I'm sure this is not a Utah specific thing, but I think the evolution of this in Utah came from Utah State and out to the Logan schools and down to the rest of Utah. Maybe I've been too much wussified in the PC way of life or maybe I'm evolving into a better person. Not sure. But I felt really taken aback watching the local high school student section taunt the other team. Address the other team's coach directly. Taunt individual players from the other team. etc. In the world of anti-bullying and all that, it seems really out of place. Should this be stopped? Or am I turning into a wuss?
    I always thought it was fun.

    When my kids were in HS, there was a three year streak where Timpview eliminated Mountain Crest (in spite of Alex Kuresa) from the state playoffs. I think at least 2 of the 3 were in the finals. Then after the third time, Timpview met Mountain Crest in the basketball championship and won that game too. Of course, with the game winding down, the Timpview students started chanting "Just like football". Those poor Mountain Crest kids looked like they were going to explode. But most of them were future Aggies, so it was good training I suppose.

    Another tradition at Timpview basketball games was to give the following cheer when they were headed for a loss (esp if the opponent was Provo):

    That's all right, that's OK
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    The Timpview principal HATED that cheer and did everything he could to stamp it out. Lectures over the PA system, etc. Of course, that only made the kids more likely to do it.

    HS sports are a blast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I always thought it was fun.

    When my kids were in HS, there was a three year streak where Timpview eliminated Mountain Crest (in spite of Alex Kuresa) from the state playoffs. I think at least 2 of the 3 were in the finals. Then after the third time, Timpview met Mountain Crest in the basketball championship and won that game too. Of course, with the game winding down, the Timpview students started chanting "Just like football". Those poor Mountain Crest kids looked like they were going to explode. But most of them were future Aggies, so it was good training I suppose.

    Another tradition at Timpview basketball games was to give the following cheer when they were headed for a loss (esp if the opponent was Provo):

    That's all right, that's OK
    You're gonna work for us someday!


    The Timpview principal HATED that cheer and did everything he could to stamp it out. Lectures over the PA system, etc. Of course, that only made the kids more likely to do it.

    HS sports are a blast.
    When my high school played Judge Memorial, the cheer was:

    "Judge, Judge, pack your fudge!".

    That drew a reprimand from the principal but that's about it.

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