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    She called his elevator joke offensive. He called her complaint ‘frivolous.’ Who’s right?

    The days of women feeling compelled to stay silent in the face of sexist remarks or conduct are thankfully on the way out. Hear something, say something, by all means.

    But for goodness’ sake, let’s maintain some sense of proportion and civility as we figure out how to pick our way through the minefield of modern gender relations. Not every comment that offends was intended that way, and intent matters. Maybe check in with the speaker before going nuclear? Maybe consider that there is a spectrum of offensiveness? That not every stray statement by a 76-year-old man warrants a resort to disciplinary procedures?

    Because making a federal case, or even a disciplinary one, over a stray elevator remark is not only, well, frivolous — it’s also counterproductive. Take a culture of eggshell fragility. Pair it with a hypersensitive disciplinary mechanism. What you get is a result that serves only to diminish real, and continuing, instances of truly offensive behavior.
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    the counter response to this kind of stuff is going to be ugly. we’ve only begun to see it.
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    I feel like he missed a chance to say “hey, I prefer to wear women’s lingerie and the fact that you’re offended means you made hurtful assumptions about my preferences”

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteelBlue View Post
    I feel like he missed a chance to say “hey, I prefer to wear women’s lingerie and the fact that you’re offended means you made hurtful assumptions about my preferences”
    yes. That response would have been better.
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    Good hell, will this never end?

    ‘Extremely offensive’: GW students launch petition to change Colonials nickname. They prefer ‘Hippos.’

    Student Rachel Yakobashvili created a petition on Change.org that states, “We, as students, faculty, and staff of the George Washington University, believe it is of great exigence that the university changes the official nickname for its affiliates. The use of ‘Colonials,’ no matter how innocent the intention, is received as extremely offensive by not only affiliates of the university, but the nation and world at large. The historically, negatively charged figure of Colonials has too deep a connection to colonization and glorifies the act of systemic oppression.”

    . . . . . . .

    The GW Hatchet, the student newspaper, quoted sophomore Andrew Hesbacher as saying, “Colonialist, terrorist, murderer. In a lot of places that’s what colonials mean to people. Why would we continue to call ourselves that?”
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    Well - if it makes him feel any better, for some of us when we hear "GWU Student" aren't thinking "colonialist, terrorist, murderer" anymore. Instead, we're thinking "dumbass". So he's already making a difference!

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    I can kind of see their point, but if tGWU changes it's mascot, they've got to go with the Generals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    I can kind of see their point, but if tGWU changes it's mascot, they've got to go with the Generals.
    Something tells me that Generals would be equally offensive.

    “General, terrorist, murderer. In a lot of places that’s what generals mean to people. Why would we continue to call ourselves that?”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    I can kind of see their point, but if tGWU changes it's mascot, they've got to go with the Generals.
    Their point is ridiculous. "Colonials" is a simple nod to history, not an endorsement of tyranny/exploitation. Good grief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Their point is ridiculous. "Colonials" is a simple nod to history, not an endorsement of tyranny/exploitation. Good grief.
    Agreed. I also think it’s umtimately counterproductive to whitewash offensive history, but colonialism from the perspective of the colonized is a pretty traumatic process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Green Monstah View Post
    Agreed. I also think it’s umtimately counterproductive to whitewash offensive history, but colonialism from the perspective of the colonized is a pretty traumatic process.
    Duh.

    Next on the chopping block:

    1) New England Patriots (also celebrating colonial heritage)
    2) Oklahoma Sooners (colonized the homelands of native americans)
    3) Texas Longhorns (celebrates the human dominance of a gentle species of animal)
    4) Wyoming Cowboys (all of the above)

    This is easy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Duh.

    Next on the chopping block:

    1) New England Patriots (also celebrating colonial heritage)
    2) Oklahoma Sooners (colonized the homelands of native americans)
    3) Texas Longhorns (celebrates the human dominance of a gentle species of animal)
    4) Wyoming Cowboys (all of the above)

    This is easy.
    New England is already in trouble.

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    There are some people who want to change the names of birds because the Native Americans had names for them (deciding which tribe's name to use hasn't really come up), and calling them by any European's name, e.g., "Bachman's Sparrow," is colonial imposition and cultural appropriation. I will not even engage those people.

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    I think my favorite mascot in America is the Richland HS Bombers in Richland, Washington - former nuclear processing site for the Manhattan Project. It's got to be one of the most non-PC mascots ever. Logo is a mushroom cloud:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I think my favorite mascot in America is the Richland HS Bombers in Richland, Washington - former nuclear processing site for the Manhattan Project. It's got to be one of the most non-PC mascots ever. Logo is a mushroom cloud:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Duh.

    Next on the chopping block:

    1) New England Patriots (also celebrating colonial heritage)
    2) Oklahoma Sooners (colonized the homelands of native americans)
    3) Texas Longhorns (celebrates the human dominance of a gentle species of animal)
    4) Wyoming Cowboys (all of the above)

    This is easy.
    The slope is slippery, but not that slippery. I'd like to think even the most hypersensitive millennial can draw a line between the oppression of aboriginal peoples and the plight of beasts of burden. But maybe not!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I think my favorite mascot in America is the Richland HS Bombers in Richland, Washington - former nuclear processing site for the Manhattan Project. It's got to be one of the most non-PC mascots ever. Logo is a mushroom cloud:
    My personal favorite:

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    Are the students at the high school in Idaho that's located near the state's psychiatric hospital still known as the Maniacs? If so, bless 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    Are the students at the high school in Idaho that's located near the state's psychiatric hospital still known as the Maniacs? If so, bless 'em.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    It's got to be one of the most non-PC mascots ever.




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    Those are awesome.

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    I was Jordan Peterson’s strongest supporter. Now I think he’s dangerous

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooblue View Post
    I was Jordan Peterson’s strongest supporter. Now I think he’s dangerous

    https://www.thestar.com/opinion/2018...dangerous.html

    "In the end, I am writing this because of his extraordinary rise in visibility, the nature of his growing following and a concern that his ambitions might venture from stardom back to his long-standing interest in politics. I am writing this from a place of sadness and from a sense of responsibility to the public good to tell what I know about who Jordan is, having seen him up close, as a colleague and friend, and having examined up close his political actions at the University of Toronto, allegedly in defence of free speech. When he soared into the stratosphere he became peculiarly unknowable. There is something about the dazzle of the limelight that makes it hard to see him clearly. But people continue to be who they are even in the blinding overexposure of success. I have known Jordan Peterson for 20 years, and people had better know more about who he is.

    There is reason to be concerned."
    I got halfway through that and gave up. Ugh...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I got halfway through that and gave up. Ugh...
    I made it through. I have a different recollection of the events recounted below, though:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    I made it through. I have a different recollection of the events recounted below, though:
    Yeah, it was a ridiculous essay.
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    Jordan Peterson is a dbag though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Jordan Peterson is a dbag though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frank ryan View Post
    Jordan Peterson is a dbag though.
    Why is he a d-bag? Educate us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Why is he a d-bag? Educate us.
    And be precise.

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