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    Apologies for thread purists and continuists as I could not remember in which category and thread this discussion commenced. And I am aware SU has determined the student demagogues and trigger victims are not a threat to open-mindedness on campus, but Alan Dershowitz speaks out against the current wave of student protests.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/alan-...lleges-2015-11
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    University of Ottawa cancels yoga class.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...95&tid=ss_mail
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    University of Ottawa cancels yoga class.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...95&tid=ss_mail
    I hope they provided free counseling to the people that were mentally impacted by having a yoga class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    University of Ottawa cancels yoga class.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...95&tid=ss_mail
    Straight out of the Onion.
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    It's not surprising that a poster on a board informally associated with the J. Reuben Clark law school at Brigham Young University diminishes these protests. I don't take a position on the reasonableness of their demands, but this is a reckoning that is overdue. Besides BYU, the situation at Princeton may be the most resonant.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/23/ny...=top-news&_r=0

    Woodrow Wilson pretty much singlehandedly turned Princeton into a world class university. He also introduced Jim Crow to the campus and, like Brigham Young and J. Reuben Clark, was an outspoken racist. He has been revered but the school is now considering expunging Woodrow Wilson's name from Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs, removing murals of him, etc. When are BYU students going to start demanding that BYU and J. Reuben Clark law school change their names?
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    Haha. SU doubles down on safe spaces and extreme political correctness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    It's not surprising that a proud graduate of the J. Reuben Clark law school at Brigham Young University diminishes these protests. I don't take a position on the reasonableness of their demands, but this is a reckoning that is overdue. Besides BYU, the situation at Princeton may be the most resonant.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/23/ny...=top-news&_r=0

    Woodrow Wilson pretty much singlehandedly turned Princeton into a world class university. He also introduced Jim Crow to the campus and, like Brigham Young and J. Reuben Clark, was an outspoken racist. He has been revered but the school is now considering expunging Woodrow Wilson's name from Woodrow Wilson School of Public and International Affairs, removing murals of him, etc. When are BYU students going to start demanding that BYU and J. Reuben Clark law school change their names?
    lol. When the state of Washington and half the locations in the country change their names, I suppose.
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    Is "fascist" the correct term here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    Is "fascist" the correct term here?
    Harvard law student thinks so:

    http://hlrecord.org/2015/11/fascism-at-yale/
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    That reminds me, I just read that the pastor of Westboro Baptist Church (Fred Phelps) was an outstanding Civil Rights Activist, representing black clients when no other attorney would. He was also a democrat.

    I think that we are overzealous in judging events in the past from today's perspective. This same thing happened after WWII. It's not a new development.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    lol. When the state of Washington and half the locations in the country change their names, I suppose.
    King County is now named after Dr. King. I would support changing the name of Washington State to Paine or Franklin or Thoreau or the like State.
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    Doesn't SU's wife do yoga and teach it, as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Harvard law student thinks so:

    http://hlrecord.org/2015/11/fascism-at-yale/
    As you see, free speech is the crucible that will return campuses to their senses. But you of all people should know the importance that institutions reckon with their racist pasts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katy Lied View Post
    That reminds me, I just read that the pastor of Westboro Baptist Church (Fred Phelps) was an outstanding Civil Rights Activist, representing black clients when no other attorney would. He was also a democrat.

    I think that we are overzealous in judging events in the past from today's perspective. This same thing happened after WWII. It's not a new development.
    This argument is resonates with me. If we judge people according to the degree of enlightenment of our times, most historical people will fail that test. If we are to judge, it is a fairer test to judge them according to what was considered moral and just in their times.
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    I'm pretty sure SU's wife devotes 10 minutes of the quiet time in her yoga class to a renunciation of all things Brittish colonial.

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    Terrible thread title, btw. "Professional"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Harvard law student thinks so:

    http://hlrecord.org/2015/11/fascism-at-yale/
    ha yeah bill. he's a weird single lds hls student.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Terrible thread title, btw. "Professional"?
    Well I changed it to "Professorial", but can't above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeattleUte View Post
    As you see, free speech is the crucible that will return campuses to their senses. But you of all people should know the importance that institutions reckon with their racist pasts.
    But the current format is designed to suppress the free speech you applaud.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/backlash...sts-1448063437

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/22/op...rful.html?_r=0

    SU supports the fearful, uninformed speech. My bet is on the confident, reflections of informed majorities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Well I changed it to "Professorial", but can't above.
    lol professorial is hilariously ironic on so many levels.
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    Ithaca College President not yielding to the demands of fascist students.

    http://www.ithacajournal.com/story/n...test/75657728/
    "Guitar groups are on their way out, Mr Epstein."

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    According to Pew, 40% of millenials favor banning speech offensive to minorities

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...to-minorities/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakoma View Post
    According to Pew, 40% of millenials favor banning speech offensive to minorities

    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...to-minorities/
    Incredible that the Millennials have become such statists, trusting government to supervise social activities. What a full circle we have come from the sixties where distrust of government supervision was at all time high. Now they want government regulation of so many behaviors.
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    Fixed that awful thread title.

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    BTW, here is an angry proponent of trigger warnings and safe spaces. Among other things, she is insisting that netflix start issuing trigger warnings for certain movies/tv shows.

    (TRIGGER WARNING: NSFW LANGUAGE)

    https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/on...048#.5fn18ki8v

    Let’s be clear: opponents of safe spaces and trigger warnings are defending their privilege to live in a world where vulnerable people just shut up and take their abuse.
    Same author:

    https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/wh...4e2#.1g74cvawx

    Seems like a reasonable person.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Fixed that awful thread title.

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    BTW, here is an angry proponent of trigger warnings and safe spaces. Among other things, she is insisting that netflix start issuing trigger warnings for certain movies/tv shows.

    (TRIGGER WARNING: NSFW LANGUAGE)

    https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/on...048#.5fn18ki8v



    Same author:

    https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/wh...4e2#.1g74cvawx

    Seems like a reasonable person.

    Wow. She is not very persuasive. Insulting, condescending and more importantly, no trigger warnings about the offensive content within her article. I am now offended and need my safe space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Fixed that awful thread title.
    Triggers Warnings?
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    The people pushing the campus rape hysteria are trying to create neo-Victorian ideas about sex. Sex is super scary and bad.

    This "cultural appropriation" nonsense seems to have similar goals to those of white supremacists. Let's divide ethnic groups lest one group starts liking and using something from another group -- because liking or using something is the same thing as exploitation. It's a totally insane idea.

    One common thread between the two is trying to cater to the lowest common denominator on the emotional and psychological health scale. Nutjobs and narcissists and what they're irritated by is what's driving this.
    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Wow. She is not very persuasive. Insulting, condescending and more importantly, no trigger warnings about the offensive content within her article. I am now offended and need my safe space.
    Hmmm. Yeah. While I sympathize with the sentiment of feeling alone in that particular hardship, I'm not convinced the 'safe space' need isn't just an unreasonable request to unburden them from some of the natural rigors of reality. Everyone without exception has their own personal psychological burdens, but should everyone else to be compelled to shoulder them? Of course not. What good is compassion if it's not an act of free will? I think our society is so much more aware of insensitivity towards ethnic minorities than it was 20 years ago. That's not enough, you say? Abridge free speech until this shit clears up? Whatever, man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commando View Post
    Hmmm. Yeah. While I sympathize with the sentiment of feeling alone in that particular hardship, I'm not convinced the 'safe space' need isn't just an unreasonable request to unburden them from some of the natural rigors of reality. Everyone without exception has their own personal psychological burdens, but should everyone else to be compelled to shoulder them? Of course not. What good is compassion if it's not an act of free will? I think our society is so much more aware of insensitivity towards ethnic minorities than it was 20 years ago. That's not enough, you say? Abridge free speech until this shit clears up? Whatever, man.
    Additionally, if it is legally determined that trigger warnings are required, you will establishing the foundations for actions against persons who fail to insert triggers. Once again, free speech would be curtailed in the interests of political correctness. Nobody condones rape or other atrocious behavior, but to require constant labels on books and movies is over the top and should not be required.
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    Again, I'm cribbing off that Atlantic article that JL linked to a while back -- but the thing that gets lost in all of this are psychiatric considerations. Anyone that's dealt extensively with someone who has a personality disorder knows how irrational and unreasonable they can be. I think it's a mistake to give credence to irrational demands.

    These kids at Yale, for instance, are some of the most privileged people in the country. Yet you have a girl having a fit over an email regarding Halloween costumes. Make no mistake, it's part of the far left mindset to think it's the dominant culture's fault (at least what they perceive as the dominant culture) whenever someone not squarely within that culture finds offense or does something stupid. The girl was ostensibly not within the dominant culture because she was at least of mixed race. Therefore, if she has a beef, despite the irrationality and pettiness of it, then the beef must be understood and you must find fault in yourself.

    I don't understand why enabling an extreme narcissist with a paranoid personality disorder and making a fairly highly acclaimed academic apologize to such a person does anyone any favors.
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    Part of it is based on academic grounds. Among major conferences, the Pac-10 is the best academically, largely because of Stanford, Cal and UCLA. “Colorado is on a par with Oregon,” he said. “Utah isn’t even in the picture.”

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