"Reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated" - The Socialism Thread

[SeattleUte]

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[CardiacCoug]

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Hopefully all these young socialists will contemplate whether or not “it is still OK to have children” and decide NO and not perpetuate their stupid DNA.

All these people should have spent a couple of years in the former USSR in the 90s like me and seen what a horrible thing socialism is: poverty and corruption and desperation.

How are the German and Korean experiments not enough for these people? You could never have better evidence of the superiority of capitalism.

[Walter Sobchak]

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At least the author has the good sense to put "socialism" in quotes, since it has been redefined by conservatives (like yourself).

The left: We should have Single-Payer healthcare.
The right: That's socialism! (It's not.)
The left: We should provide free tuition to public universities.
The right: That's socialism! (Again, it's not.)
The left (as represented by BS): We should model our country after Scandinavian ones like Denmark!
The right: Those countries are socialist! (They aren't.)

[rinse repeat ad nausem]

Young people everywhere, burdened by college debt and unable to find affordable health care: "Socialism" sounds pretty good.

So who is to blame for the rise of "socialism"?

Maybe look in the mirror.

[CardiacCoug]

Right it’s the hybrid “third party payer” programs in education and health care that are a huge problem.

More federal loans and other available loans for students just leads to colleges ramping up their prices and helping themselves to more loan money.

More federal and private health insurance just leads to hospitals/drug companies ramping up their prices and helping themselves to more insurance money.

No surprise that costs/debts are out of control in education and health care. It’s “other people’s money” so of course it is spent like crazy.

[Walter Sobchak]

Right it’s the hybrid “third party payer” programs in education and health care that are a huge problem.

More federal loans and other available loans for students just leads to colleges ramping up their prices and helping themselves to more loan money.

More federal and private health insurance just leads to hospitals/drug companies ramping up their prices and helping themselves to more insurance money.

No surprise that costs/debts are out of control in education and health care. It’s “other people’s money” so of course it is spent like crazy.

Not sure why you are resorting to using reasonable arguments here when it is much easier to cry "socialism" to manufacture consent by appealing to people's fears.

[YOhio]

Not sure why you are resorting to using reasonable arguments here when it is much easier to cry "socialism" to manufacture consent by appealing to people's fears.

Lol. Such a martyr.

[SeattleUte]

Why the hell should we care what Denmark does? Is it some kind of paragon? We have different history, values, and problems. We innovate and Denmark coattails on our innovation. I don’t need to knock Denmark. It’s just that citing Denmark is not persuasive.

[old_gregg]

yes other than denmarks higher rates of literacy, life expectancy, measurable happiness, infant survival rate, etc., what do those assholes know?

[SeattleUte]

yes other than denmarks higher rates of literacy, life expectancy, measurable happiness, infant survival rate, etc., what do those assholes know?

Haha "measurable happiness" wtf does that mean?

Denmark has 5.8 million population and we have 323 million. We also have a federalist system of laws and state governments. Our massive heath care industry that generates most of the world's health care innovation is also largely privately or local government owned. What do you propose to do? The federal government takes it from the owners?

You're even dumber than AOC.

[old_gregg]

Haha "measurable happiness" wtf does that mean?

Denmark has 5.8 million population and we have 323 million. We also have a federalist system of laws and state governments. Our massive heath care industry that generates most of the world's innovation is also privately owned. What do you propose to do? The federal government takes it from the owners?

You're even dumber than AOC.

i'm actually pretty smart bro.

[SeattleUte]

Not sure why you are resorting to using reasonable arguments here when it is much easier to cry "socialism" to manufacture consent by appealing to people's fears.

BS and AOC call it socialism. Are you saying you're smarter than them?

[creekster]

i'm actually pretty smart bro.

Of course you are and I, for one, am ever so grateful that you are always willing to remind us immediately if there is any risk that we forget. Bro.

[Jeff Lebowski]

At least the author has the good sense to put "socialism" in quotes, since it has been redefined by conservatives (like yourself).

The left (as represented by BS): We should model our country after Scandinavian ones like Denmark!
The right: Those countries are socialist! (They aren't.)

Meh. It seems that more and more folks on the right argue that Scandanavian countries are actually very friendly to capitalism and free markets, as your link would imply.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lxD-gikpMs

The nonsense that BS/AOC are peddling is more Venezuela than Denmark.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Of course you are and I, for one, am ever so grateful that you are always willing to remind us immediately if there is any risk that we forget. Bro.

No, what he is doing is responding calmly and with some humor to SU's jab. You should try that sometime.

[frank ryan]

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Meh. It seems that more and more folks on the right argue that Scandanavian countries are actually very friendly to capitalism and free markets, as your link would imply.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lxD-gikpMs

The nonsense that BS/AOC are peddling is more Venezuela than Denmark.

Any time anyone proposes doing something remotely similar to how a scandanavian nation does it (for example, health care) the right screams socialism from the rooftops. It’s disingenious for them to be pedantic about this. Bernie is not proposing nationalising oil companies.