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    BYU is number 9, and Stanford is number 2.

    You can hear the audio.
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    BYU gave up its first goal of the season. BYU's possession is not clean and giving up a goal is not good.
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    Hatch almost equalizes in the 75th minutes, off the frame.
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    BYU loses at Stanford, 1-0. Stanford played better for most of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    BYU loses at Stanford, 1-0. Stanford played better for most of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cougjunkie View Post
    Great analysis.
    Based on the audio, Stanford maintained possession through the middle, and enough attacks to keep BYU off balance. The audio does not explain the formation, but one could hear that BYU had trouble stringing passes together and failed to vary its runs.

    After Hatch's shot off the post, BYU was able to keep possession in Stanford's half, and created several corner kicks, which Stanford hadn't given up prior to the BYU game. BYU's failure to play the whole game allowed the talented and skilled Stanford team to maintain its perfect record at this early juncture. Hopefully, BYU will learn to vary its attack under pressure. Again, analysis is limited when you don't have video.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    BYU loses at Stanford, 1-0. Stanford played better for most of the game.
    It seems to me that BYU has improved quite a bit in women's volleyball and soccer since the split with the MWC. I think in those two sports the WCC is a better conference than the MWC and perhaps the better competition improved recruiting?
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    Listening to a soccer game Is that more or less boring than listening to a golf match on the radio?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Listening to a soccer game Is that more or less boring than listening to a golf match on the radio?
    It is Greg Wrubbel!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    It seems to me that BYU has improved quite a bit in women's volleyball and soccer since the split with the MWC. I think in those two sports the WCC is a better conference than the MWC and perhaps the better competition improved recruiting?
    That is difficult to tell. BYU had a legend who retired from volleyball and saw a lot of ups and downs. It seems the new volleyball coach is doing well, but I haven't followed the recruiting for women's volleyball closely.

    Soccer is showing signs of improvement, but there still are some technical issues. We had one national team player before switching to the WCC. It is more a question that there have been several good crops of LDS players which BYU has harvested.

    I still question BYU's attack, as it is often subject to a direct attack while ignoring the indirect attack formations. The girls also seem to lack a bit of touch under pressure, but they are performing well against most opponents. The keeper is very good this year, but I have not been able to see the defense which was weaker last year. Historically, BYU has played good defense but an immature offensive attack. You can't develop strikers, strikers are born, and every coach is looking for that natural striker. BYU has not had many good attacking players, although Hatch is appearing to have some abilities.

    The answer to your question is that I don't believe the change in conference affiliation has had an affect one way or the other, but perhaps the coaches would offer a different opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    It is Greg Wrubbel!
    Greg did a commendable job, but the female color commentator offered no color or comments of any value. I am often critical of Greg, but he actually did a good job describing what was occurring and appeared to have a grasp of the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cougjunkie View Post
    Great analysis.
    I liked this analysis better:

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    BYU gave up its first goal of the season. BYU's possession is not clean and giving up a goal is not good.
    Because, you know, I wasn't sure if that was a good thing. Or a bad thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    Listening to a soccer game Is that more or less boring than listening to a golf match on the radio?
    I listened on the radio for a bit when BYU played the U as I was driving home Friday night. From my experience, I can tell you that soccer on the radio is less boring than golf on TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    That is difficult to tell. BYU had a legend who retired from volleyball and saw a lot of ups and downs. It seems the new volleyball coach is doing well, but I haven't followed the recruiting for women's volleyball closely.

    Soccer is showing signs of improvement, but there still are some technical issues. We had one national team player before switching to the WCC. It is more a question that there have been several good crops of LDS players which BYU has harvested.

    I still question BYU's attack, as it is often subject to a direct attack while ignoring the indirect attack formations. The girls also seem to lack a bit of touch under pressure, but they are performing well against most opponents. The keeper is very good this year, but I have not been able to see the defense which was weaker last year. Historically, BYU has played good defense but an immature offensive attack. You can't develop strikers, strikers are born, and every coach is looking for that natural striker. BYU has not had many good attacking players, although Hatch is appearing to have some abilities.

    The answer to your question is that I don't believe the change in conference affiliation has had an affect one way or the other, but perhaps the coaches would offer a different opinion.
    A few years ago BYU picked up the Nevada Player of the Year, from out your way, who is the kid of a couple of LDS folks I grew up with in Simi. Two years later she is essentially transferring because the talent had increased enough that she knew she would never play much. She ends up at Ohio State and a is clearly a go to player on a marginal top 25 team for her junior and senior seasons. Perhaps it is coincidence and the LDS talent pool provided a glut of good players who would have gone to BYU no matter conference affiliation. She also dumped her boyfriend and he is like really wealthy, I understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goatnapper'96 View Post
    A few years ago BYU picked up the Nevada Player of the Year, from out your way, who is the kid of a couple of LDS folks I grew up with in Simi. Two years later she is essentially transferring because the talent had increased enough that she knew she would never play much. She ends up at Ohio State and a is clearly a go to player on a marginal top 25 team for her junior and senior seasons. Perhaps it is coincidence and the LDS talent pool provided a glut of good players who would have gone to BYU no matter conference affiliation. She also dumped her boyfriend and he is like really wealthy, I understand.
    I remember her, and yes her bf was super wealthy.

    BYU has to avoid just signing the Utah girls. Some of BYU's better classes include a few from Utah, Texas, California, Arizona and somewhere back east. LDS girls if they are involved in sports often choose soccer, so LDS produce a fair number of talented soccer players. The challenge has been for BYU to keep track of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eddie View Post
    I listened on the radio for a bit when BYU played the U as I was driving home Friday night. From my experience, I can tell you that soccer on the radio is less boring than golf on TV.
    Greg did a much better job than expected, and I was disappointed it wasn't on BYUtv or the Pac12 network.
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    Boaz is a great keeper. She gave up one goal against the #2 team on the road. The SOGs differential was 6-1 but through our first several matches our defense has been stellar. BYU had not given up a goal in the regular season and in every match had won the SOG differential. Also, #9 is hot but runs with a funny gait and her fists clenched. This team is every bit as good if not better than the one that went to the elite 8. We should win the WCC again pretty handily. Can't wait for Thursday night against Utah state at South Field. For those that haven't been to one, go check it out. The field is beautiful and the crowds are always raucous. Also, a very inexpensive outing so great as a daddy date, for example, or for those that fly southwest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripletDaddy View Post
    Boaz is a great keeper. She gave up one goal against the #2 team on the road. The SOGs differential was 6-1 but through our first several matches our defense has been stellar. BYU had not given up a goal in the regular season and in every match had won the SOG differential. Also, #9 is hot but runs with a funny gait and her fists clenched. This team is every bit as good if not better than the one that went to the elite 8. We should win the WCC again pretty handily. Can't wait for Thursday night against Utah state at South Field. For those that haven't been to one, go check it out. The field is beautiful and the crowds are always raucous. Also, a very inexpensive outing so great as a daddy date, for example, or for those that fly southwest.
    Are they using a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 or some other formation?

    What are they doing to correct the problem of using the mids on attack? Against Stanford for much of the game, they did not keep possession very well until the last fifteen minutes. I also noticed for the very first time, that there doesn't appear to be stoppage time in the college game. Why is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TripletDaddy View Post
    Boaz is a great keeper. She gave up one goal against the #2 team on the road. The SOGs differential was 6-1 but through our first several matches our defense has been stellar. BYU had not given up a goal in the regular season and in every match had won the SOG differential. Also, #9 is hot but runs with a funny gait and her fists clenched. This team is every bit as good if not better than the one that went to the elite 8. We should win the WCC again pretty handily. Can't wait for Thursday night against Utah state at South Field. For those that haven't been to one, go check it out. The field is beautiful and the crowds are always raucous. Also, a very inexpensive outing so great as a daddy date, for example, or for those that fly southwest.
    I did not know you were such a Soccer aficionado, did the Lancers stay within 3 goals, either boys or girls, of either of the two high school teams from my beloved Simi Valley back in the Day that Chief Severn prowled slowpitch softball dugouts? IIRC, you folks were more a girls cross country (WOWZA!) and football school (insert gratuitous comment about Monestine et all loosening up the Lancer Lady XC runners before their Saturday invitationals!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Are they using a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 or some other formation?

    What are they doing to correct the problem of using the mids on attack? Against Stanford for much of the game, they did not keep possession very well until the last fifteen minutes. I also noticed for the very first time, that there doesn't appear to be stoppage time in the college game. Why is that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    The games are available to watch on BYUtv.org.
    The Stanford game was not, and I haven't been near the computer during previous games this year. I do intend to watch at some point this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    The Stanford game was not, and I haven't been near the computer during previous games this year. I do intend to watch at some point this year.
    You can also watch them with the BYUtv app on Roku, AppleTV, iPad, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    You can also watch them with the BYUtv app on Roku, AppleTV, iPad, etc.
    IOW, you don't know what formation is used, but you are showing me other modes of accessing BYUtv. How kind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    IOW, you don't know what formation is used, but you are showing me other modes of accessing BYUtv. How kind.
    I don't know or care enough about soccer to distinguish formations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Are they using a 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 or some other formation?

    What are they doing to correct the problem of using the mids on attack? Against Stanford for much of the game, they did not keep possession very well until the last fifteen minutes. I also noticed for the very first time, that there doesn't appear to be stoppage time in the college game. Why is that?
    This hasn't been a problem against anyone this season except Stanford. Elena Medeiros has been a very strong attacking midfielder in every other game this season, including against a Cal team that hasn't lost to anyone other than us and has beaten powerhouse Duke so far and tied perennial uber powerhouse N. Carolina. BYU seemed a little overwhelmed for much of the game but the last 15-20 minutes were much different and more representative of how they've played all season so far. We came just one cross bar hitting shot from tying the game.

    Colorado is also playing well right now against everyone else and is another team we beat pretty easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    This hasn't been a problem against anyone this season except Stanford. Elena Medeiros has been a very strong attacking midfielder in every other game this season, including against a Cal team that hasn't lost to anyone other than us and has beaten powerhouse Duke so far and tied perennial uber powerhouse N. Carolina. BYU seemed a little overwhelmed for much of the game but the last 15-20 minutes were much different and more representative of how they've played all season so far. We came just one cross bar hitting shot from tying the game.
    So you believe they may have been a bit star-crossed for the first part of the game?

    BTW, what formation were they using?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    So you believe they may have been a bit star-crossed for the first part of the game?

    BTW, what formation were they using?
    Technically I believe it's a 3-5-3, but Medeiros is one of the 5 midfielders who really seems to play like another forward (#2 on the team in shots taken, tied for 1st in goals). Murphy-Vasconcelos also plays both like a forward and midfielder. Hatch and Gomes are pure forwards. They often have the look of 4 forwards and 3 midfielders, IOW. Campbell-Isom, Ringwood and Calton have been so good on defense so far (not to mention Boaz in goal), which has given them a lot of freedom on offense, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Technically I believe it's a 3-5-3, but Medeiros is one of the 5 midfielders and really seems to play like another forward. Murphy-Vasconcelos also plays both like a forward and midfielder. Hatch and Gomes are pure forwards. They often have the look of 4 forwards and 3 midfielders, IOW.
    Do they have the speed to play with a backline of only three defenders?
    Which defender typically slides back on defense?
    Who is the center back?
    Who has the most technical skill, or are they relatively equal?

    It sounded as if they were bobbling a lot of passes yesterday, but I couldn't see the pressure Stanford applied.

    Do you believe they learned something from their passive, sloppy play in the first 75 minutes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topper View Post
    Do they have the speed to play with a backline of only three defenders?
    Which defender typically slides back on defense?
    Who is the center back?
    Who has the most technical skill, or are they relatively equal?

    It sounded as if they were bobbling a lot of passes yesterday, but I couldn't see the pressure Stanford applied.

    Do you believe they learned something from their passive, sloppy play in the first 75 minutes?
    I couldn't watch, so it's hard to know for sure, but having watched most of their other games, and hearing what happened at the end when it seemed they suddenly found another gear, I'm going to assume a lot of the problem for the first 70-75 minutes was mental at facing a team that was a step above the others, and on the road. Although, I'm not sure that Cal is that far below Stanford, but it was on a neutral field and BYU got an early goal in that one.

    Your other questions kind of stretch my knowledge. BYU does have a lot of speed. I'm going to guess Stanford was the only team we've faced this year that matched or surpassed it. BYU definitely looked faster than the others I've seen them play against. Cal, Colorado, Nebraska and Utah are all solid opponents. The next few aren't going to be nearly as good and BYU should wipe them all out. Campbell-Isom is the anchor of the defense and the most skilled. Calton is probably the speediest but also the youngest of the three starting defenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    I couldn't watch, so it's hard to know for sure, but having watched most of their other games, and hearing what happened at the end when it seemed they suddenly found another gear, I'm going to assume a lot of the problem for the first 70-75 minutes was mental at facing a team that was a step above the others, and on the road. Although, I'm not sure that Cal is that far below Stanford, but it was on a neutral field and BYU got an early goal in that one.

    Your other questions kind of stretch my knowledge. BYU does have a lot of speed. I'm going to guess Stanford was the only team we've faced this year that matched or surpassed it. BYU definitely looked faster than the others I've seen them play against. Cal, Colorado, Nebraska and Utah are all solid opponents. The next few aren't going to be nearly as good and BYU should wipe them all out. Campbell-Isom is the anchor of the defense and the most skilled. Calton is probably the speediest but also the youngest of the three starting defenders.
    Well, I need to correct myself. For some reason I had thought Campbell-Isom was a senior. She has played like it so far. Actually all three starting defenders are sophomores. BYU has had a couple of amazing recruiting classes recently. Also, RM Paige Hunt, a junior, plays a defending midfielder position. She has the funny distinction of having been named to the pre-season all WCC team when she was already gone on her mission. She's come home and played very well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueK View Post
    Well, I need to correct myself. For some reason I had thought Campbell-Isom was a senior. She has played like it so far. Actually all three starting defenders are sophomores. BYU has had a couple of amazing recruiting classes recently. Also, RM Paige Hunt, a junior, plays a defending midfielder position. She has the funny distinction of having been named to the pre-season all WCC team when she was already gone on her mission. She's come home and played very well.
    Do they sign recruits for next season in November? The team seems to be Utah top heavy. Is Utah is Region 3 or 4 for USA Soccer?
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