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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    I could be wrong, but I think your ref is confusing football (ineligible receiver) with basketball. In basketball, if the player is out of bounds and coming back onto the court, he/she cannot catch a pass before establishing contact back inbounds on the court. But once you are in, you are eligible.
    That's my understanding as well. While enjoying a game in one of the WCC gyms, I imagined a player inbounding the ball from the baseline, stepping back through the adjacent exit door, circling around the building's perimeter, stopping for a quick snack, reentering the gym on the opposite side of the court and, assuming both feet had touched the court, accepting a pass for a easy layup. Could happen, and it'd be legit.

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    In my son's game this past week, I got on the ref (something I very rarely do anymore if I want to stay in Mrs SMR's good graces) for blowing his whistle before the play even happened.

    I yelled - "you blew your whistle before the play happened". that got his attention and he looked at me and said "what's your problem?" so I said "you anticipated the foul" - he essentially admitted doing so by saying "yeah, but it was the right call".

    it wasn't the right call as the kid on our team was in position and straight up, but I let it go at that point. just wanted the guy to admit he anticipated the foul before it could have even occurred. and Mrs SMR wasn't even pissed at me.

    hate it when refs do that. Omaha, don't do that in your games!
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    In my son's game this past week, I got on the ref (something I very rarely do anymore if I want to stay in Mrs SMR's good graces) for blowing his whistle before the play even happened.

    I yelled - "you blew your whistle before the play happened". that got his attention and he looked at me and said "what's your problem?" so I said "you anticipated the foul" - he essentially admitted doing so by saying "yeah, but it was the right call".

    it wasn't the right call as the kid on our team was in position and straight up, but I let it go at that point. just wanted the guy to admit he anticipated the foul before it could have even occurred. and Mrs SMR wasn't even pissed at me.

    hate it when refs do that. Omaha, don't do that in your games!
    Hey, you got a low-paid ref to admit he made a mistake in a kids game. Congratulations!
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    I've never said anything to a ref at one of my sons games. MJ however is all over them from the stands. She gets it from her mother, who did the exact same thing when MJ was playing point guard in high school.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski View Post
    Hey, you got a low-paid ref to admit he made a mistake in a kids game. Congratulations!
    the post was just a long way of telling Omaha not to anticipate fouls. I hate that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    the post was just a long way of telling Omaha not to anticipate fouls. I hate that!

    the only thing I'm actually proud of is the sentence immediately preceding the emoji
    Don't let JL get you down. Moliere seems to like it when you act like his wife and MIL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moliere View Post
    I've never said anything to a ref at one of my sons games. MJ however is all over them from the stands. She gets it from her mother, who did the exact same thing when MJ was playing point guard in high school.


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    Quote Originally Posted by YOhio View Post
    Don't let JL get you down. Moliere seems to like it when you act like his wife and MIL.
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    Got to do a playoff game the other day and get to do another tomorrow. Hope the rain stops, because 35 degrees and a 15 mph wind with rain is miserable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigPiney View Post
    Got to do a playoff game the other day and get to do another tomorrow. Hope the rain stops, because 35 degrees and a 15 mph wind with rain is miserable.
    Soccer? What else is playing outside right now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by falafel View Post
    Soccer? What else is playing outside right now?
    Soccer. Most of California is nice this time of year. It is still freaking winter here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    if I want to avoid the doghouse, I pretty much have to be silent the entire game. the only thing that gets me in more trouble than yelling at the refs is yelling at my son.
    Ha, I definitely yell at my son


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    Quote Originally Posted by hostile View Post
    OK, here's a question. In my son's JV game this week they were running an inbounds play from under their own basket. The ball was inbounded to one side of the basket then passed to the top of the 3 pt line. Meanwhile the player opposite the side where the ball was inbounded runs along the baseline and receives a pass back from the top of the 3 point line. Apparently he had taken a step or two out of bounds (I didn't see if he was forced out or ran out under his own power). He had taken several steps back inbounds before catching the ball. The ref blew the whistle after he caught the ball stating that since he was out of bounds he couldn't catch the ball and the ball was awarded to the other team. I've never seen this call before. Is this a rule that I'm unaware of?
    The official was a bit confused on what he was actually calling, but technically he got the call right. Rule 9-3-3 "A player shall not leave the court for an unauthorized reason". The case examples given on this rule talk about someone going out of bounds to avoid a screen or force their defender into a screen on the end line. Technically, if a player runs out of bounds on purpose it is a violation. Where the official got it wrong is he should call the violation when the player goes out of bounds, not when he catches the ball. Most officials will let a step or two on the line go, but if there is any indication that the player stepped out to avoid the defense you really should call it.

    Quote Originally Posted by smokymountainrain View Post
    the post was just a long way of telling Omaha not to anticipate fouls. I hate that!

    the only thing I'm actually proud of is the sentence immediately preceding the emoji
    Don't worry, anticipating the foul/violation is one of my pet peeves. I think starting in football helped me because if is pounced into your head not to blow the whistle until you see the ball dead. I'd rather have someone complain about a late call then blow the whistle early and get it wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    The official was a bit confused on what he was actually calling, but technically he got the call right. Rule 9-3-3 "A player shall not leave the court for an unauthorized reason". The case examples given on this rule talk about someone going out of bounds to avoid a screen or force their defender into a screen on the end line. Technically, if a player runs out of bounds on purpose it is a violation. Where the official got it wrong is he should call the violation when the player goes out of bounds, not when he catches the ball. Most officials will let a step or two on the line go, but if there is any indication that the player stepped out to avoid the defense you really should call it.



    Don't worry, anticipating the foul/violation is one of my pet peeves. I think starting in football helped me because if is pounced into your head not to blow the whistle until you see the ball dead. I'd rather have someone complain about a late call then blow the whistle early and get it wrong.
    I've seen it happen in college/NBA games at least a few times without being called. I thought it was sneaky but risky - just in case someone passes you the ball before you've re-established yourself in bounds. Didn't realize it was illegal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pelado View Post
    I've seen it happen in college/NBA games at least a few times without being called. I thought it was sneaky but risky - just in case someone passes you the ball before you've re-established yourself in bounds. Didn't realize it was illegal.
    I can only speak with confidence on the high school rules but I imagine there is a similar rule in college.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaloAltoCougar View Post
    That's my understanding as well. While enjoying a game in one of the WCC gyms, I imagined a player inbounding the ball from the baseline, stepping back through the adjacent exit door, circling around the building's perimeter, stopping for a quick snack, reentering the gym on the opposite side of the court and, assuming both feet had touched the court, accepting a pass for a easy layup. Could happen, and it'd be legit.
    I didn't catch this before. There is actually a rule in high school that calls for a technical foul to be assessed in the joke situation you describe.

    Rule 10-4-2 "A player shall not purposefully and/or deceitfully delay returning after legally being out of bounds." Being legally out of bounds obviously refers to the thrower on an inbound play. The cases specifically discuss a player moving along the baseline out of bounds after throwing the ball and then stepping in to receive a pass for an uncontested layup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    I didn't catch this before. There is actually a rule in high school that calls for a technical foul to be assessed in the joke situation you describe.

    Rule 10-4-2 "A player shall not purposefully and/or deceitfully delay returning after legally being out of bounds." Being legally out of bounds obviously refers to the thrower on an inbound play. The cases specifically discuss a player moving along the baseline out of bounds after throwing the ball and then stepping in to receive a pass for an uncontested layup.
    That's interesting and good to know, thus ending my stupid fantasy.

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    I was looking forward to a break before football clinics and training for new officials begin in the late spring. But the other night the assignor for the Public School Junior High Basketball league texted and asked if I could take some games for the next 8 weeks. This assignor also happens to be the Secretary/Treasurer of my football officials' association, so I couldn't really say no. It's all about pleasing the right people if you want to move up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Omaha 680 View Post
    I was looking forward to a break before football clinics and training for new officials begin in the late spring. But the other night the assignor for the Public School Junior High Basketball league texted and asked if I could take some games for the next 8 weeks. This assignor also happens to be the Secretary/Treasurer of my football officials' association, so I couldn't really say no. It's all about pleasing the right people if you want to move up.
    Good call. You have to play the game. However, don't let them take advantage of you.

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    Football season is nearly upon us. I just took the online rules test, and I'm helping out with field mechanics sessions for new officials (I'm all in with the schmoozing as I'd like to make this the year I move up in the ranks). After almost no rules changes last year, we have a boatload this year. A lot of them are administrative like allowable jersey colors and logos on the balls, and there is an interesting new that will be rarely applied that says the ball is dead if a prosthetic limb comes completely off a runner. In addition to those changes, there are three I would define as rather significant changes:

    1. Removal of noncontact face guarding from pass interference restrictions
    2. Definition of blindside block and states that forceful blindside blocks outside of the free-blocking zone are illegal unless performed with open hands
    3. Popup kicks (striking the ball directly into the ground off of the tee so it rebounds high into the air) are now illegal

    I think 1 and 2 are good changes. I always thought face guarding was a dumb component of pass interference. If a defender is able to block the receiver's view or the ball without contacting him and without turning around, I always thought it should be considered a good play not a penalty. Also face guarding was another subjective component of pass interference, so I'm not sad to see it go. The blindside block restrictions are also a good rule. With all the emphasis on safety and avoiding unnecessary contact, it is nice to have the rule book clearly define something like this. The past couple years the emphasis was there, but no clear direction, so you were left to your own judgement if blindside blocks were excessive or not. Now it is clear; no more teeing off on non-runners who don't see you. Take him out of the play but don't kill him.

    I don't like the no pop-up kicks rule. It is already nearly impossible to recover an onside kick in high school and they just made it even harder. Most teams here don't have a kicker here who could do a pop-up anyway so I guess it doesn't matter.
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