LDS.org Gospel Topics article about the Book of Abraham

[TripletDaddy]

In other words, it's a surreal, hilarious experience to see people here cite science as they lecture about any skepticism over the climate change bandwagon, and then with a straight face engage the LDS pamphlet about translation and historicity of the Book of Abraham. Mormonism is fucking weird.

Yes, that was basically what I was trying to say when I commented about leather sandals.

[YOhio]

Mormonism is fucking weird.

And you're admittedly really into weird fucking. Funny how just a small change in word order can make you love or hate something.

[SoonerCoug]

And you're admittedly really into weird fucking. Funny how just a small change in word order can make you love or hate something.

YOhio just completed a chiasmus!

[Jeff Lebowski]

And you're admittedly really into weird fucking. Funny how just a small change in word order can make you love or hate something.

[byu71]

In other words, it's a surreal, hilarious experience to see people here cite science as they lecture about any skepticism over the climate change bandwagon, and then with a straight face engage the LDS pamphlet about translation and historicity of the Book of Abraham. Mormonism is fucking weird.

Would you call any other religion F'en weird? Especially personally tell that to someone who believes in that religion?

I could see myself casually saying to a person, your religion seems weird to me. I wouldn't ever assault someone's belief like that to them personally by calling it F'en weird. I just can't see you saying to a Muslim, your religion is F'en weird. Maybe I misjudge you.

[SoonerCoug]

Would you call any other religion F'en weird? Especially personally tell that to someone who believes in that religion?

I could see myself casually saying to a person, your religion seems weird to me. I wouldn't ever assault someone's belief like that to them personally. I just can't see you saying to a Muslim, your religion is F'en weird. Maybe I misjudge you.

I could easily say such a thing about almost any religion, but especially Scientology.

There is nothing really sacred about religion--only contrived sacredness.

I'm pretty damn sure you would think that any pagan religion was incredibly weird.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Would you call any other religion F'en weird? Especially personally tell that to someone who believes in that religion?

I could see myself casually saying to a person, your religion seems weird to me. I wouldn't ever assault someone's belief like that to them personally by calling it F'en weird. I just can't see you saying to a Muslim, your religion is F'en weird. Maybe I misjudge you.

SU is still smarting over being exposed as an anti-science nutjob, so he is just lashing out whenever he can.

[Northwestcoug]

Getting rid of the facsimiles would be a serious blow to the local tourism trade at the BYU Jerusalem Center. What are the students going to take home as souvenirs?

And where does it end? First you get rid of the facsimiles, then what? The affordable silver rings with hebrew lettering on them? the leather sandals with single toe strap? I want to steer clear of such a slippery slope.

I hadn't thought of the burgeoning Jerusalem Center trade! My MIL brought home a facsimile on papyrus and gave it to us as a gift. Now that I think of it, I haven't checked to see if it includes god's penis.

[byu71]

I could easily say such a thing about almost any religion, but especially Scientology.

There is nothing really sacred about religion--only contrived sacredness.

I'm pretty damn sure you would think that any pagan religion was incredibly weird.

Not my point that there aren't weird religions. I can totaly understand why someone would consider my religion as weird.

I am just saying I would have to have a lot of hate for someone's religion to call it f'en weird to them. Like I said, your religion seems weird to me would be harsh enough. The other way of putting it just shows a loss of emotional control.

[Moliere]

And you're admittedly really into weird fucking. Funny how just a small change in word order can make you love or hate something.

Who needs love when you've got silicon and strap-ons!!

[Pheidippides]

David Bokovoy weighs in on FB:



I kind of like the idea of doing these articles, but not if they are going to just hand it off to the FAIR crowd. Ugh...

Thanks for posting this. I heard he had major problems with the essay but am not friends with him on Facebook. Interesting.

NOM and Reddit are murdering these essays, which is to be expected. But it's worse than the other ones. Is it because the essay is that bad? Is it because they view the BOA as the smoking gun? I don't know. I've only skimmed the essay myself.

[Blueintheface]

Who needs love when you've got silicon and strap-ons!!

Dock it off!

[ERCougar]

David Bokovoy weighs in on FB:



I kind of like the idea of doing these articles, but not if they are going to just hand it off to the FAIR crowd. Ugh...

I just don't know how you avoid that. That's why I don't like these articles--they're not going to satisfy anyone that FAIR wouldn't.

[ERCougar]

Yes, that was basically what I was trying to say when I commented about leather sandals.

Lol.

[creekster]

I just don't know how you avoid that. That's why I don't like these articles--they're not going to satisfy anyone that FAIR wouldn't.

Hmmm. I am not sure that's correct. They are an important step for the church.

First, it is in writing. In the past it was rare that these types of issues were ever addressed in writing outside of conference talks. Here the church is sticking its neck out and taking a position. Even if most people paying attention don't like it, the fact that they took a specific written position is significant.

Second, by taking a written position it forces the church to evaluate the issue and to think through the position. Again, many people such as yourself, may not find it satisfying, but it provides a reasoned starting point for dialog. This article, for example, provides appropriate and authorized bases for discussing translation, the nature of prophecy and revelation, the scope and meaning of scripturally based truth, etc. This is very important, in my mind, in order to increase the tent, as some here have put it. The orthodox may still cling to their views, but they may also loosen hold in light of these comments. The less than orthodox feel included and maybe emboldened to talk about their ideas. The searching see that it isn't McConkie's Mormon Doctrine church anymore.

SO, while I understand why you don't find it satisfying, I think it is very useful and important and, in the long run, is exactly the sort of thing that will help the church.