I have no idea what you are talking about. When did I say that a man should be able to tell the woman carrying his baby what she can do with her own body?Originally Posted by ERCougar
I have no idea what you are talking about. When did I say that a man should be able to tell the woman carrying his baby what she can do with her own body?
"Baby".
I give up.
At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
-Berry Trammel, 12/3/10
Feel free to answer the question.....when did I say the father of [insert what ever term for the mass you choose] should be able to tell the mother what she can or can't do with her body?
When you said that a man should be able to force a woman to have her cervix dilated and the contents expelled.
At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
-Berry Trammel, 12/3/10
no one said that
If a mother can abort a fetus then a man should have a similar right in that he can disavow his parental rights/responsibilities in regards to the fetus/baby.
"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
My understanding is that embryonic stem cell research is currently legal, and that Bush just put a moratorium on federal funding (which I would assume Obama has lifted). Or is that just stem cell research in general?
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As well you should. People have been calling the entity occupying its mother's uterus a "baby" or a "child" for hundreds of years now.
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Feel free to quote where I have suggested that I believe a man should be able to force a woman to have her cervix dilated and the contents expelled.
Looks like somebody has already cashed in on this idea.
http://thefederalist.com/2014/05/16/...rtion-problem/And only a few weeks ago we learned from The B.C. Catholic newspaper of the Archdiocese of Vancouver that children aborted in British Columbia were being incinerated as fuel in Oregon.
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ok so then you don't "agree with moliere completely." Which is why I was confused that you would say that you did.
Fitter. Happier. More Productive.
"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
I don't agree with you, either!
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Yes, except for medical professionals and legal minds who want have an intelligent discussion about the legality of abortion. Apologies.
Iman keeps asking for an important distinction between a baby and a fetus. I've told him multiple times that birth is the most important, significant, and hazardous single physiologic step outside of perhaps meiosis in the individual's life. Yet he keeps ignoring it, both in his terminology and in asking me repeatedly to provide same thing, meanwhile giving me a shrug off the shoulders when i ask for some better event to mark the beginning of rights. So... I give up.
Ok...sorry, I misread you.
This makes no more sense, but for completely different reasons. I'm off to father's and son's. I'll catch up tomorrow.
At least the Big Ten went after a big-time addition in Nebraska; the Pac-10 wanted a game so badly, it added Utah
-Berry Trammel, 12/3/10
Now that's a telling response.
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I know and that's greatI don't agree with you, either!
"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
I know that you have said that there are important physiological differences....you have stated that a number of times, but never have you actually attempted to state what those differences are and more importantly, why those differences create a need to treat a baby post birth different that a "baby" in utero. I am happy to listen but so far your attempts to point out the meaningful differences have been less than stellar.
More importantly enjoy your son and father's and sons. Ours is in a couple of week and I dread having to go.
So I am wondering....do you think a man ought to be able to disavow his paternal rights as a moral position in and of itself or are you stating that if abortion is a woman's choice and that what society has determined is best, then a man ought to be allowed the same freedom to disavow his paternal rights prior to the baby being born?
I'm saying the bolded part.
"Discipleship is not a spectator sport. We cannot expect to experience the blessing of faith by standing inactive on the sidelines any more than we can experience the benefits of health by sitting on a sofa watching sporting events on television and giving advice to the athletes. And yet for some, “spectator discipleship” is a preferred if not primary way of worshipping." -Pres. Uchtdorf
not just rights but responsibilities. your point was a financial disavowal, not one of relinquishing "rights."
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Yep you are correct and Moliere and I are in agreement.
I'm more confused than ever (not about my stand on abortion but about this argument).
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"Once I seen the trades go down and the other guys signed elsewhere," he said, "I knew it was my time now." - Derrick Favors
This is pretty sick shit.
Men should worry about the future of Roe v. Wade, too
What the hell?!?!?What we too seldom hear is that men should also tell their abortion stories. We need to hear from the man who was able to stay in college, the man who did not become a single parent to two daughters after his wife died during a complicated pregnancy, the man whose uninterrupted research while a graduate student yielded a lifesaving cancer treatment and the man whose family did not become homeless during a stretch of unemployment — all because their partners had access to safe and legal abortion. Mathematically speaking, millions of men have such stories. The one-in-four women who have had an abortion did not get pregnant on their own.
These stories are powerful. Yet we rarely hear these perspectives, and more rarely still do we hear calls for men to describe how abortion has affected them personally. This needs to change.
Aside from losing a spouse, she boils this down to economics and convenience. I have no doubt that the vast majority of abortions happen due to economic and convenience. "Thank goodness she killed that baby so that you could finish graduate school unburdened by parental responsibilities." Yes, let's rejoice and tell that powerful story.
And why should men get all ecstatic about a decision over which they have no control? Not saying they should. Just saying you might as well rejoice that you didn't get hit by a meteor this morning.
Bunch of sick assholes.
This is pretty simple. If you don't want a baby, don't dip your stick without protection. Or get fixed.
Give 'em Hell, Cougars!!!
For all this His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still.
Not long ago an obituary appeared in the Salt Lake Tribune that said the recently departed had "died doing what he enjoyed most—watching BYU lose."
^^^This.
The left used to say "safe, legal, and rare" about abortions, but then the rare part implied there was something untoward about them. Now they have to embrace them as good and wonderful as they try to rationalize / whitewash away the awfulness of what they are actually doing.
Here's a very recent example of this Orwellian celebration of abortion:
Absolutely disgusting.
darn that monolithic left. too bad only trump voters are capable of nuance.
Te Occidere Possunt Sed Te Edere Non Possunt Nefas Est.
Please tell me you also support cheap and easy access to birth control. If you don't, it is nothing more than moralizing without actually addressing the core issue.
If you want less abortions, follow Colorado's route and offer free IUDs.
The crux of what has traumatized us about CUF/CG is that we thought they were our friends. And their identity as BYU fans turned out to be the most important thing to them. What empty lives! What a damning indictment of the LDS Church!
--SeattleUte
He who drinks beer sleeps well. He who sleeps well cannot sin. He who does not sin goes to heaven. The logic is impeccable.
--Charles W. Bamforth, Ph.D.
There are some pro-life democrats, but the party is certainly becoming more hostile to them and more dogmatic on this issue: DNC chair Tom Perez said all Democratic candidates must support a woman’s right to choose.
It seems like you aren't allowing for a range of opinions among those that support abortion. For example, I support abortion but want policies in place to minimize the number of abortions that occur because of an unwanted pregnancy.
The crux of what has traumatized us about CUF/CG is that we thought they were our friends. And their identity as BYU fans turned out to be the most important thing to them. What empty lives! What a damning indictment of the LDS Church!
--SeattleUte
He who drinks beer sleeps well. He who sleeps well cannot sin. He who does not sin goes to heaven. The logic is impeccable.
--Charles W. Bamforth, Ph.D.
Man, I hate the pro-life/pro-choice labeling that's used with this issue. I'm both, btw.
I'm right there with you. I hate that labeling. I also hated the support traditional marriage/support marriage equality labels.
The crux of what has traumatized us about CUF/CG is that we thought they were our friends. And their identity as BYU fans turned out to be the most important thing to them. What empty lives! What a damning indictment of the LDS Church!
--SeattleUte
He who drinks beer sleeps well. He who sleeps well cannot sin. He who does not sin goes to heaven. The logic is impeccable.
--Charles W. Bamforth, Ph.D.
leftist scum!
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